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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 19/02/2015 : 23:48:55
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In 1865 census, Embjør Olsdatter (= Emma Moen) has a brother John age 2. As posted her mother Eli emigrated 1876 with 4 unnamed children. Following might be John.
Minnesota Marriages (Ancestry.com)
John O Moen, age 24
Birth: 27 Feb 1864 in Norway
Marriage: 4 May 1888 in Albin, Brown, Minnesota
Spouse: Olea B Endin, age 32
Spouse Birth: 10 Feb 1856 in Norway
FHL Film Number: 1309453
Yup, it's the right John. Here's his birth in Norway, matching birth date, parents Ole Olsen Turmoen and Eli Johnsdatter:
See #32
This new info turns up an Ancestry.com public family tree with the original of a second marriage record posted.
John O Moen to Effie Ann Cahoon
08 Jan 1902
Ellensburg, Kittitas, Washington, USA
His parents: Ole O Moen and Eli Johnson.
One of the witnesses was Miss Clara Moen.
Find-a-Grave memorial includes an obit, 1927, which says survivors include "a sister, Mrs. A. S. Larsen of St. Maries, Idaho, and two brothers, H. O. Moen and Iver Moen living in Minnesota."
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Edited by - JaneC on 21/03/2015 13:06:47 |
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snuppaelena
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Posted - 20/02/2015 : 00:01:18
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| Wow! It is so hard to trace with how the names are changed and different ones used. I figured out the "sen" and "datter" . Knowing Emma = Embjør fools me :) |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/02/2015 : 00:02:43
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LOL, well the way the names were flipping around I wondered if somebody should explain a little...
In 1865 Emma's siblings living at home are Ole, Iver, John, and Marith;
this old genealogy post might be referring to "your" Marith:
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Yup, your Marith (Emma's sister) was born 26 April 1850 in Lom, the date mentioned in the post above.
Her birth-baptism record is #59
Departing Bergen 14 May 1878, Hans Larsen age 26, Marit Olsdatter 27, Marie Larsen 3, Lars Hansen 1:
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snuppaelena
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snuppaelena
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Posted - 20/02/2015 : 03:33:12
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| I do not have any proof of information for Emma Moen being born in Vågå, Norway. It is just what was spoken and written down. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/02/2015 : 04:40:02
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| Wonderful images!! Yes that thread is a scramble of different families with no discernible relationship. Too bad people post in that mixed up way. But maybe the person who posted about your Amund and Emma will return to find your images. Hope so! |
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snuppaelena
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Posted - 20/02/2015 : 04:47:37
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| I did find the one with the most information, (second person posting), on facebook and have messaged her. Awaiting a reply! :) |
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snuppaelena
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/02/2015 : 15:01:52
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Beautiful portrait! So, since you have this portrait, did you already know the story of Emma's sister Marit?
To review:
1865 census on Turmoen in Lom, Oppland
Ole Olsen 48 born in Vaage prjg
Elie Johnsdatter 43 born in Lom
Marith Olsdatter 16
Ole Olsen 11
Embjør Olsdatter 9
Iver Olsen 6
John Olsen 2
Embjør Iversdatter - noted as being mother of Ole senior
The four youngest are seemingly the ones who emigrated with Elie. Ole junior had seemingly died before John died in 1927 (not named in John's obit).
Still curious for you to post any info you have, as your contributions are just as helpful as anyone's. Don't worry if mistakes have happened. By telling where you got the information you help the forum to "check it out." An oral family story can be iffy - it might be right, or wrong, or wrong with a kernel of truth (like Vaaga had a kernel of truth). If Emma's mother wrote her a letter saying when and where Emma was born (or noted in a family Bible) that would be strong evidence.
Still curious re the source or documentation for Emma's middle initial S., as that doesn't show up in any Norwegian record. She should be Emma O Larson or Emma M Larson If she used a middle initial. Also wondering about "Lars Hansen Rusten" and "Mary Serkland." Are those names remembered in family stories, or did you notice them on somebody's family tree? I took only a quick look at one family tree, on Ancestry, just one, after the core work was done here. It was incomplete, fine, but also it wasn't accurate in spots (for example a person lived in two different places in 1900 with two different wives and kids). It doesn't interest me much to investigate these mysteries without you weighing in first. But would be nice if the forum could help the descendants generally (via you) to straighten out any misstatements. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/02/2015 : 16:27:14
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| The "S" appears in one of the census reports for Emma and Amund in Idaho. The marriage record had her name as Emma O. Moen. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 20/02/2015 : 17:48:50
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Amund seems committed to middle initial S:
1900
McCoy, Spokane, Washington
Armond Larson 44 b Oct 1854 Norway, to USA 1879
Emma Larson 43 b Aug 1856 Norway, to USA 1879, married 1881, mother of 10 children, 10 are living
Louis Larson 17 b Minnesota
Ola Larson 15 b Minnesota
Emma Larson 13 b Minnesota
Albert Larson 11 b Minnesota
Clara Larson 9 b Jan 1891 Washington
Alfred Larson 7 b Washington
Arnold Larson 5 b Washington
Amanda Larson 3 b Washington
Bertha Larson 8/12 b Washington
1910
Coeur d'Alene Indian Reservation, Kootenai, Idaho
A S Larson 53 b Norway, to USA 1879, tenant farmer
Emma Larson 52 b Norway, to USA 1875
Albert Larson 21 b Minnesota
Alfred Larson 17 b Washington
Arnold Larson 15 b Washington
Amanda Larson 12 b Washington
Addie Larson 7 b Washington
1920
College, Benewah, Idaho
Amon S Larson 63 b Norway, to USA 1878, naturalized 1900
Emma Larson 62 b Norway, to USA 1875, naturalized 1900
Fred A Larson 26 b Washington
Edward A Larson 17 b Washington
1930 census in St Maries, Benewah, Idaho seems clearly handwritten as Emma S (following Amund S) - and typewritten here:
U.S. City Directories (Ancestry.com)
Emma S Larson
Residence Year: 1940
Street address: rear 933 N 5th
Residence Place: Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, USA
Spouse: (wid) Amund Larson
Publication Title: Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, City Directory, 1940
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Coeur D'alene, Kootenai, Idaho
Claude R Barnes 46
E Amanda Barnes 42
C Richard Barnes 17
Ina Lee Barnes 15
John F Barnes 13
Lawrence A Barnes 5
Emma Larson 82 widowed, mother-in-law, b Norway
Idaho Death Index (Ancestry.com)
Name: Amond S. Larson
Birth Place: Norway
Birth Date: 15 Oct 1856
Death Place: Kellogg, Shoshone, Idaho, USA
Death Date: 2 Jan 1940
Father: Lars Hanson
Father Birth Place: Norway
Mother Birth Place: Norway
Certificate Year: 1940
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Edited by - JaneC on 20/02/2015 18:09:31 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/02/2015 : 18:25:42
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Little more
1880
Albin, Brown, Minnesota
Hans Larson 28 b Norway
Marrit Larson 30 b Norway <--------- Emma's sister Marit
Mary Larson 6 b Norway
Lars Sarson 3 b Norway
Lena Larson 1 b Minnesota
Ole M. Olson 24 brother-in-law <-------------------- likely this is Emma's heretofore missing brother Ole
Likely this is a Find a Grave memorial for "your" Hans and Marit,
Marit Larson born April 1850, died Feb 1937
buried with
Hans Larson born September 1851, died Feb 1908
Burial: Saint Olaf Cemetery, Ormsby, Martin County, Minnesota
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Marit's death certificate can be ordered to confirm her identity:
LARSON, MARIT
Date of Birth: not included in the transcription online
Place of Birth: "
Mother Maiden Name: "
Date of Death: 02 FEB 1937
County of Death: WATONWAN
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Ditto for Hans Larson's death certificate:
Date of Death: 25 MAY 1908, Brown County, Minnesota
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I guess the links don't hold the place - but the above records can easily be re-searched. |
Edited by - JaneC on 19/05/2015 14:06:38 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/02/2015 : 19:10:09
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Originally posted by JaneC
Amund seems committed to middle initial S:
Perhaps he's remembering the farm he was on in Lom with the "S"?
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snuppaelena
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Posted - 20/02/2015 : 19:50:49
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| That's what I was thinking, maybe it is for the Farms they lived and worked. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 21/02/2015 : 04:09:24
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Yes, Amund was apparently born on Sønstenæstræet and lived there in the 1865 census.
Oppland described on Wikipedia:
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Gudbrandsdalen is a valley in Oppland (and a traditional district) but it is not a political name, it is a geographic name. Described here:
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Norddalen is the northern part of the valley; Wikipedia says it includes the municipalities of Lesja, Dovre, Skjåk, Lom, Vågå and Sel. Lom is adjacent to Vågå; Lom described here:
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More about Oppland:
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Maybe you can tell I'm trying to better understand the geography of Norway! Truly, I looked for my own benefit, then decided what the heck and threw them in here.
Below, a few names extracted from the list (Alle utvandrarar frå Lom til USA i åra 1854-1883) on this Link
Person ID: Year of immigration: first name: father's name: birth year: marital status (G=married, UG=unmarried): gender (M=male, K=female): emigrated from:
7562 1870 Ola Ola 1818 G M Turmoen
6927 1873 Hans Ola 1853 U M Turmoen
7140 1874 Ola Ola 1855 U M Turmoen
4602 1875 Eli Jon 1830 G K Turmoen
7761 1875 Iver Ola 1860 U M Turmoen
8485 1875 Anne Ola 1868 U K Turmoen
8129 1875 Jon Ola 1864 U M Turmoen
7439 1875 Ingebjørg Ola 1857 U K Turmoen <-- seemingly Emma
7331 1879 Amund Lars 1856 U M Synstn.træd.
So looking at this list, looks like Emma had a younger sister Anne - and indeed she did:
Birth-Baptism
Birth 10 April 1868
Anne
Parents: Ole Olsen and Eli Johnsdatter, Turmoen
#29
Source: Oppland fylke, Lom, Ministerialbok nr. 7 (1863-1884), Fødte og døpte 1868, side 30.
So the four children who emigrated with Eli are (in birth order):
1. Ingebjørg (= Embjørg/Emma)
2. Iver
3. Jon
4. Anne
First, father Ole, and next the brothers Hans and Ole, had gone ahead.
Seem right to you guys?
If so, then we have an Anne Moen on the loose in, presumably, Minnesota.
Online translator here
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Ole O Turmoen, registered to depart Lom for Amerika, 11 April 1870, see record
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Edited by - JaneC on 21/02/2015 05:16:46 |
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