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lisadelozier
Junior member
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 Posted - 26/02/2015 : 16:56:48
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I am looking for Louie O. Larson (larsen?)
He was born norway and moved to america at age 18,
As Far as I got your information and Please move those information to this and I'll keep that separate it. and Yes I do have ancestry but it cost $$ for me to pay for it and I dont have the $$ to keep on going. I will come back on that again and do this. As far as I can get information from you, Would means lot to me. Thank you
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 26/02/2015 : 19:05:43
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On the page that says uncle Louis O Larson at the top there is a number in a box with an arrow on the left and an arrow on the right. To see the first page with Lars Johanneson Kleppe's name click on the left arrow.
Other cousins or nephews need names to be searched. The Norwegian naming practice means that you get your surname based on your father's given name. Lars Larson was the grandfather and Johannes Larson and your Louis Larson were his sons. Lars Johanneson Kleppe was Johannes Larson's son. Kleppe was the name of the farm they came from like their address. That's how there can be families of sons with different last names.
Edited by - jkmarler on 26/02/2015 17:15:16
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 26/02/2015 : 20:18:21
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Hi all - Lisa, no need to subscribe to Ancestry. We've probably got just about all the records available there. I just meant If you already had info from Ancestry (or anywhere), to please post it.
I'll add transcriptions of the records jkmarler posted on links, and add a few additional records - all from the USA. In these records you can clearly recognize your own Louis, and then you can see how these link back to Norway.
02 June 1909 * Marriage
Louis O Larson of Santa, Kootenai, Idaho
marries
Clara M Larson of Santa, Kootenai, Idaho
Witnesses: A. S. Larson and Mrs. A. S. Larson
by a Methodist Minister, Rev. Eugene V. Bronson
1910 US Census
Santa, Kootenai, Idaho
Louis O Larson age 26, born about 1884 in Norway, came to USA 1904, occupation lumberman, lumber woods
Clara Larson age 19, born in Washington
12 Sep 1918 * US World War I Draft Registration
Louis Larson, age 35
Birth 13 May 1883
Address: Gen Del [General Delivery] Fernwood, Benewah county, Idaho
Alien (not a US citizen) but has declared his intention to become a citizen
Occupation: Logging Contractor, Blackwell Lumber Co.
Place of employment: Near Camp 20, Fernwood
Nearest relative: Clara Larson, wife (same address as him)
Height 5'8", slender build, dark brown eyes, brown hair
1920 US Census
Santa, Benewah, Idaho
Louis O Larson age 36 born about 1884 in Norway, logging contractor in woods, no immigration year
Clara M Larson 28 born in Washington, parents born in Norway
Lloyd E Larson 9 born in Idaho
Wilma G Larson 6 born in Idaho
Alice S Larson 4 born in Idaho
Thelma L Larson 4 months born in Idaho
1930 US Census
Wilson Creek, Grant, Washington
Louis Larson age 47 born about 1883 in Norway, came to USA 1900, age 25 when he married, farmer, general farming. US citizenship is pending
Clara Larson age 39, born in Washington, age 18 when she married
Lloyd Larson age 19 born in Idaho
Willma Larson age 16 born in Idaho
Alice Larson age 14 born in Idaho
Thelma Larson age 10 born in Idaho
Lorrain Larson age 8 born in Idaho
Plus one boarder, Halvor Ingebretzen age 36
1938 Death Record
Louis O Larson, male, married
Age 55, born about 1883
Death: 18 June 1938 in Spokane, Spokane, Washington
Father: Lars Larson
Spouse: Clara Larson
Family History Library Film #2023563
Reference ID 836
** A copy of the original of this death record can be ordered and may tell more information.
1940 US Census
Spokane, Spokane, Washington
Address: 1618 East Thirteenth Avenue
Clara M Larson age 49, born in Washington, widowed
Alice Larson age 24, born in Idaho
Thelma Larson age 20, born in Idaho
Lorraine Larson age 18, born in Idaho
** The 1940 census asked where did you live in 1935? Answer, same place.
17 October 1940 * Border Crossing, from Canada to USA
Port of Detroit, Michigan
Clara Matilda Larson, nee Larson, age 49, widowed, no occupation
Place of birth: Rockford, Washington
Last permanent residence: Spokane, Washington
Ever in the USA before? She answered Yes, since birth.
Name and address of person she is going to join: Alice Larson, 1618 East 13th, Spokane
Ever arrested? She answered No. :D)
Description: 5'10", medium complexion, blonde hair, hazel eyes
Accompanied by daughter Thelma Larson
Looks like Louis never completed his U.S. Citizenship. Having married an alien, Clara had lost her citizenship. Seemingly she filed on her own to become (again) a US citizen:
U.S. Naturalization Record (Index only)
04 November 1942
Clara Matilda Larson
Court District: Seattle District Court, Washington
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 26/02/2015 : 20:34:16
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Next after developing USA information is to search in Norway. We have to remember that a man named Louis might likely be called Lars in Norway. That would be normal. Also need to remember the patronymic naming system and the way the patronymic naming system evolved over time. Also need to remember that it was traditional for Norwegians to put a farm address at the end of a name. The address name changed when the person moved. At the time of immigration, a person might use his patronymic name (like Larson) or might use his farm address (like the farm name Kleppe), as a "last name."
Jkmarler posted a link to a transcription of the following birth:
Lars Olai Larsen
Born 13 May 1883
Baptized 12 August 1883
Hosanger in Hosanger, Hordaland, Norway
Parents: Lars Larsen born 1840 and Ingebor Olsdr. (Olsdatter) born 1842
Parents residence: Ø. Kleppe [Østre Kleppe]
Link to original church book record:
#18
The name, birth date, and father's name match "your" Louis. This particular young man was found immigrating to USA when he was age 19, which fits the family story for your Louis. In addition, later on a young man from this family travels to his uncle Louis Larson in St Maries, Idaho - so that is the evidence we need, to show your Louis is this Lars Olai.
I think it may be your Louis on an Ellis Island record under the name "Olai L Kleppe," age 18, arriving New York on the Campania from Liverpool in late April 1902. He is traveling to an uncle in Superior, Wisconsin (I'm having trouble reading uncle's name).
Below, link to a Geni family tree for Lars Olai Larsen, Østre Kleppe:
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The Geni tree puts the farm address Østre Kleppe at the end of everyone's name; I've removed it below. The Geni tree shows ten children in Lars Olai's family; many died young. All the info on the tree needs to be checked before we know if it's correct.
1. Lars Larsen b 1865-d 1865
2. Johannes Larsen b 07 Dec 1869 - d 1909
3. Anna Larsdatter b 1872 - d 1873
4. Anna Larsdatter b 18 March 1874 - d 1929; spouse Johannes Andreas Johannesen Mjelde
5. Larsina Larsdatter b 1874 - d 1874
6. Larsina Olina Larsdatter b 1877 - d 1882
7. Ole Larsen b 1880 - d 1880
8. Mons Larsen b 30 August 1881 - d unknown
9. Lars Olai Larsen b 13 May 1883 - d USA
10. Monsina Severina Larsdatter b 12 May 1886-d 1952 Norway
The siblings who lived to adulthood were Johannes, Anna, Mons, Lars Olai (Louis), and Monsina. |
Edited by - JaneC on 27/02/2015 00:01:59 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 26/02/2015 : 20:59:52
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Birth of Johannes on this link. Born 07 Dec 1869, Hosanger in Hosanger, Hordaland, Norway, parents Lars Larsen and Ingeborg Olsdatter Kleppe Link
So the Geni tree is right about the birth of Johannes, brother to Lars (Louis).
A boy who is the son of Johannes will be named Johannesen. The Geni tree says Johannes had at least two sons who emigrated to the USA and died there:
1) Lars Johannesen born 24 Jan 1899 (also called Lars or Louis Johnson / Lars Klep)
2) Magnus Johannesen born 1903
So if that's true - IF - that's two nephews for Louis Larsen coming to the USA.
jkmarler posted an emigration record for Lars.
US Naturalization Records, Washington Eastern District - Spokane
Lars Johannesen Kleppe (Louis Johnson) (Lars Johnson) ***
Birth: 24 Jan 1899
Last residence: Bergen, Norway
Naturalization Date: 17 Jun 1941
Residence: Spokane, Washington
Wife is Clara Elizabeth Kleppe. Married 04 July 1936 in Portland; she was born in Spangle, Washington.
This document says they have two children:
1) Claudine Ingeborg Kleppe born 30 Aug 1937, born Spokane
2) Laureen Janice Kleppe born 20 Aug 1838, born Spokane
Lars emigrated under the name Lars J. Kleppe, arrived New York 14 January 1925 on the SS Mauretania
He formally petitions that his name be changed to Lars Johnson.
*** the alternate names in parenthesis are included in the petition as shown
Lars's 1925 trip here, from New York Passenger Lists database:
Ship Name: Mauretania
Departure: Southampton, England
Arrival New York: 14 Jan 1925
Lars J Kleppe, age 25
Birth: abt 1900 in Hosanger, Norway
Traveling to Uncle Louis O Larsen in St Maries, Idaho
1940 US Census (ignore the typos)
Spokane, Spokane, Washington
Address: South Browne Street
Laro Johnson 40 born in Norway, car repairman
Clara Johnson 33 born in Washington
Claudine Johnson 2 born in Washington
Laureenn Johnson 1
Again, this Lars is a nephew of your Louis. He's the son of Louis's brother Johannes. |
Edited by - JaneC on 27/02/2015 11:23:23 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 26/02/2015 : 21:40:37
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Here comes Magnus Johannessen Kleppe, traveling to Idaho in 1923:
Link
The above record gives Magnus a date of birth of 15 October 1903.
U.S. Naturalization Records
Magnus Johanneson, age 36
Birth: 15 Oct 1903 in Bergen, Norway
Spouse: Elva May b 1914
Married: 10 Dec 1933 in Spokane
Children:
1) Arlene Elva born 02 Aug 1934
2) Norman Magnus born 02 Oct 1935
3) John Edward born 15 Feb 1939
Immigrated via Gotenberg Sweden; arrived NY 23 Nov 1923 on the ship Stockholm
Issue Date: 11 Aug 1939
Court: Spokane, Washington, District Court
1940
Spokane, Spokane, Washington
Magnus Johnson age 36 b Norway, occupation logger, lumber contractor
Elva Johnson 25
Arlene Johnson 5
Norman Johnson 4
John Johnson 1
This Magnus is a nephew of Louis's, the son of Louis's brother Johannes. |
Edited by - JaneC on 27/02/2015 01:25:43 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 27/02/2015 : 01:12:48
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That Geni family tree seems to be created by a Norwegian, may be a descendant of Lars Larsen and Ingeborg Olsdatter (Louis's parents). You could try making contact through Geni.
The records for Louis O Larson (born Lars Olai Larsen, of østre Kleppe farm) show that he grew up on Osterøy Island, northeast of Bergen. He was baptized in Hosanger church, which is in Hosanger village on the island.
A beautiful place for you to visit!
1910 Norway Census in Hosanger herred, Hordaland
Residence: Kleppe Østre
Ingeborg Olsdatter born 20 Oct 1874 in Hosanger (she's widow of Louis's brother Johannes)
Ida Johannesdatter b 25 Aug 1897 in Hosanger
Lars Johannesen b 24 Jan 1899 in Hosanger (he's Louis's nephew who came to USA)
Ole Johannessen b 28 Oct 1901 in Hosanger
Magnus Johannesen b 15 Oct 1903 in Hosanger (he's Louis's nephew who came to USA)
Bertha Johannesdatter b 10 Feb 1906 in Hosanger
LARS LARSEN b 10 Feb 1842 in Hosanger (he is Louis's dad)
Ingeborg Olsdatter b 10 Feb 1844 in Hosanger (she is Louis's mom)
Jenny Johannesen b 26 Jan 1900 in Herloe, foster daughter
Johan Larsen b 14 Oct 1878 (he's Monsina's husband)
Monsina Larsdatter 12 May 1886 wife of Johan Larsen (sister of Louis)
Anton Johansen b 22 July 1910 son of Johan and Monsina
See the above census on this link:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01036697001211
Notice how the birth dates for Lars and Magnus match their birth dates in US records. |
Edited by - JaneC on 27/02/2015 02:08:35 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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lisadelozier
Junior member
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Posted - 27/02/2015 : 03:01:31
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Originally posted by JaneC
Here is a family tree you made Lisa, in which you used Louis's middle name of Olai (would have been a good idea to have shared that middle name with us!) and say Louis died in Spokane, Washington (not Idaho):
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/m/c/l/Lisa-L-Mclean/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0012.html
Oops
LOL, ooops right my bad. thank you for sharing it with me and I really truely bless with all of your help. i appreicate it very much! and humm I have been searching his on family search and found more and more! so getting there. thank you.. I would say those things and their name and family and wife.   |
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lisadelozier
Junior member
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Posted - 27/02/2015 : 03:09:29
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Originally posted by lisadelozier
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Originally posted by JaneC
Here is a family tree you made Lisa, in which you used Louis's middle name of Olai (would have been a good idea to have shared that middle name with us!) and say Louis died in Spokane, Washington (not Idaho):
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/m/c/l/Lisa-L-Mclean/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0012.html
Oops
LOL, ooops right my bad. thank you for sharing it with me and I really truely bless with all of your help. i appreicate it very much! and humm I have been searching his on family search and found more and more! so getting there. thank you.. I would say those things and their name and family and wife.
Did I do that family thing on those thing i do not remember but i do on acenstry though. thats funny! thanks for reminding me. Thats odd let me check on my other papers i have so many people i dont remember everything smile. |
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lisadelozier
Junior member
USA
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Posted - 27/02/2015 : 18:36:17
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| HI I also have another question I dont know if you would be able to find His cousin that came to america too.. my great grandma said that all she knows he has 2 cousin and 2 nephew which you already mention but not the 2 cousin. so I dont konw if you could find it? Thank you for your time and Hope that i could capture the more information about this. do you have Louis (Lar Olai Larsen)'s grandparent, great grandparent's name, by hand or computer? |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 27/02/2015 : 19:44:27
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Lisa, please go to Ellis Island website (free) and search for Olai L Kleppe, age 18, traveling in April 1902. Look at the passenger manifest. "Olai" is traveling to an uncle in Superior, Wisconsin. Can you read the name of the uncle? As I mentioned I found it hard to read. This might be Lars Olai traveling, and the uncle might have children, and these might be the cousins in the USA remembered by your great-grandmother.
Another research route would be to carefully examine the Geni family tree I posted. If you find any one noted as going to the USA, we could look into it.
Any shortcut route like that might be worth pursuing. Otherwise you're left finding the separate life records for many people, a massive task, and no assurance that persons found going to USA are the "right" cousins anyway.
Another route is to check family photo albums and memorabilia for the names of the cousins, so we have some one to search for.
Likely if the cousins had played a significant role for Louis and Clara, their names would be mentioned in her 13-page memoir, so perhaps they aren't so important to find. The needed research seems out of proportion, if no shortcuts pan out.
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Edited by - JaneC on 27/02/2015 19:49:22 |
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lisadelozier
Junior member
USA
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Posted - 27/02/2015 : 20:21:53
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| Many thanks for your time and will look for this when I have the chances. Both websites are amazing and thank you for helping me out. When I can have alot of $$ to go travel to see that island. I would love to gather all the beautiful places. this family really amaze me. okay thanks again. i also have another post about Ole O. Moen (in Usa its tooo confusing with the name cause i found Ole Olsen thats it and found only one Ole. O Moen on find a grave and one on minnesota 1885 census. strange. anyway pls see that on other post i am not trying to confused with everything, cause they are all come from Norway! LOL thanks again. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 01/03/2015 : 00:51:44
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| Quite a bit of info on Ole Olsen Moen (or Turmoen) is posted in Emma's thread. I created a recap in case that helps you in sorting through that thread. |
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