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JaneC
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 Posted - 26/03/2015 : 13:15:03
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Ok, so it seems Johannes and Ole are not brothers. I'm heading out but a couple quick comments. Per the family tree with link provided, Mary Pedersdatter first married Lewis Adams (Lars Adamsen, I think). Next married Johannes (in 1867 as Jackie found). The posted census seem to reflect that possibly Johannes was John Peterson in 1860 and later John Selsing. The census over the course of time suggests possibly John Peterson Selsing and Christian Peterson could maybe be brothers. The 1910 census is striking with John, retired and widowed, next to (seemingly) Christian's son Amos and John's son John N Selsing next to (seemingly) Christian's widow and son Ola. I looked and didn't find Christian born in Hafslo to same parents - so either they are not brothers or simply more research was needed re all of it. If John Peterson in 1860 is the same as John Peterson Selsing, he was first married to Sophia. Later census says immigrated 1856 and if accurate (or close) he's somewhere in the US before 1860 census.
Not much help...thinking out loud. |
Edited by - JaneC on 26/03/2015 13:19:45 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 26/03/2015 : 15:19:19
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Here is a Johannes Pederson b. 1836 leaving from Sogndal #21:
Source information: Sogn og Fjordane county, Sogndal, Parish register (official) nr. A 13 (1859-1877), Emigration records 1865, page 420.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6925&idx_id=6925&uid=ny&idx_side=-371
Here is his baptism #45, parents are Peter Johanneson and Kari Vikingsdatter from Ølnæs, born 14 Apr 1836:
Source information: Sogn og Fjordane county, Sogndal, Parish register (official) nr. A 10 (1821-1838), Birth and baptism records 1836, page 77.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=11660&idx_id=11660&uid=ny&idx_side=-81 |
Edited by - jkmarler on 26/03/2015 15:25:36 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 26/03/2015 : 16:28:42
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The moms Family Tree on Ancestry.com identifies this man
Peder Nilssen Valaker
Birth about 1810 in Hafslo, Luster, SF, Norway
Death in iowa
as the father of
Johan Pedersen Selsing (Volliker)
Birth 06 Mar 1838 in Hafslo, Luster, SF, Norway
Death 06 Sep 1919 in Waushara County, Wisconsin, USA
but only has this rather sparse information on him.
Peder Nilsen Valaker in the Selected U.S. Federal Census Non-Population Schedules, 1850-1880
Name: Peder Nilsen Valaker
Location: Silver Lake, Worth, Iowa, USA
Enumeration Date: 9 Jun 1880
Schedule Type: Agriculture
OS Page: 3
Line Number: 03
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AntonH
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Posted - 26/03/2015 : 16:32:34
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The mom Family Tree also has this brief information on the life of Jon Selsing
"Jon Selsing was born Johannes Pedersen. His father's name was Peder Nilsen and mother Marte Larsdatter. He was born on the Vollaker farm in Hafslo but he and his parents move to Sogndal and lived on the farm Selseng prior to his leaving in 1863 to come to America. He came to Wisconsin the Mt. Morris area. The information about his marriage and children are from the Luthern Church in Mt. Morris. There are other Selsing's records in this church but I believe they are not related" |
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AntonH
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Posted - 26/03/2015 : 16:37:41
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An add on to the list of Census that identify with John Selsing. It should be noted if JaneC has not already done so in one of her posts, that the moms Famly Trees and the various other Family Trees that identify with Ole and Ragnilde as parents use this Census for the same man but with diffeent parents.
John Selsing in the 1870 United States Federal Census
Name: John Selsing
Age in 1870: 32
Birth Year: abt 1838
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1870: Wautoma, Waushara, Wisconsin
Race: White
Gender: Male
Post Office: Wautoma
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members:
Name Age
John Selsing 32
Mary Selsing 35
Emma Selsing 11
Selia Selsing 7
Albert Selsing 9
Anna Selsing 5
Maggz Selsing 3
Louisa Selsing 1
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Edited by - AntonH on 26/03/2015 16:41:38 |
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jkmarler
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JaneC
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Posted - 26/03/2015 : 23:28:42
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all very interesting....
Arriving in Sogndal from Dvergedal (sp?) in Hafslo
Peder Nielsen and Marte Larsdatter coming into Sogndal from Hafslo in 1839: #11
Earlier, leaving Hafslo June 1839:
Peder Nielsen Sæthre? age 23, and wife
Martha Larsdatter age 30, and child
Johannes Pedersen, age 1-1/2
headed to Sogndal
#12
unrelated - Find a Grave for Christian and Susan Peterson Link |
Edited by - JaneC on 28/03/2015 07:50:16 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 27/03/2015 : 00:45:55
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Possible marriage record for Peder Nielsen and Marthe Larsdatter
Peder Nielsen in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Peder Nielsen
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 17 okt 1837 (17 Oct 1837)
Marriage Place: Hafslo,Sogn Og Fjordane,Norway
Father: Niels Pedersen
Spouse: Marthe Larsdr
FHL Film Number: 126411
Also see number 30
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=11459&idx_id=11459&uid=ny&idx_side=-11 |
Edited by - AntonH on 27/03/2015 00:48:36 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 27/03/2015 : 01:16:58
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This may be the Peder Nielsen Valaker referenced in the mom Family Tree and listed in the Selected U.S. Federal Census Non-Population Schedules, 1850-1880. Problems with this person being the same person as Peder Nielsen Sarthe shown by Jane C leaving Hafslo is the birth year of 1826 and wife is named Anna and the children are born in the 1850's. However Anna was born in Norway and the next oldest two children are born in Wisconsin.
Name: Peder N. Walaker
Age: 55
Birth Year: abt 1825
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1880: Silver Lake, Worth, Iowa
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Anna Walaker
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Farmer
View image
Household Members:
Name Age
Peder N. Walaker 55
Anna Walaker 54
Anna Walaker 27
Annelena Walaker 26
Rebekka Walaker 25
Nilse Walaker 21
Peder Walaker 19
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Edited by - AntonH on 27/03/2015 01:19:56 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 27/03/2015 : 02:06:11
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Probably the family in the 1870 Census under the name Nelson. I doubt if this person is the same as the Peder Nielsen of Sogndal.
Peter Nelson in the 1870 United States Federal Census
Name: Peter Nelson
Age in 1870: 46
Birth Year: abt 1824
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1870: Silver Lake, Worth, Iowa
Race: White
Gender: Male
Post Office: Silver Lake
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members:
Name Age
Peter Nelson 46
Anna Nelson 46
Ole Nelson 19
Anne Nelson 17
Lena Nelson 15
Rebecca Nelson 14
Nels Nelson 11
Ingeber Nelson 10
Holver Nelson 9
Peter Nelson 4
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JaneC
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Posted - 27/03/2015 : 02:46:02
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Got it - a smoking gun. Buried at Holden Lutheran Church Cemetery in Mount Morris, where John P Selsing is buried, is a Lewis P Selsing. His full birth date is inscribed on his tombstone: 25 January 1846. And in the Sogndal churchbook is a Lars born 25 January 1846 to Peder Nielsen and Marte Larsdatter, Dvergedal (?). Her farm name seems the same as that in the birth record for Johannes.
Link: #16
Find a Grave info:
Lewis P. Selsing
Birth: Jan. 25, 1846, Norway
Death: Feb. 16, 1930
Burial: Holden Lutheran Cemetery
Mount Morris, Waushara, Wisconsin
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Confirmation record for Lars Pedersen Selseng, same birth date, 25 January 1846:1861
So seemingly a son of this couple did immigrate and live in Mount Morris township. His US census records say he was born in Norway and immigrated ca 1863 (as a summary). Makes it highly likely Johannes's parents were correctly named by mom2.
1870 US census, Lewis Selsing with an Oleson family (and could be this is the Sarah Oleson that Lewis marries): Link
Re Christ Peterson, he could be a brother of Mary Peterson Adams Selsing. |
Edited by - JaneC on 28/03/2015 14:00:49 |
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JaneC
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Posted - 27/03/2015 : 22:54:13
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So far it seems Johannes Pedersen (Selsing) was born at Dvergedal farm and baptized in Hafslo parish, Sogn og Fjordane, 06 March 1838:
Link
On link below, this is probably the father to Johannes Pedersen Selsing and Lars Pedersen Selsing, died in Norway:
Peder Nielsen Selseng died 13 Sep 1860 in Sogndal,
died age 45 (born about 1815).
Transcription
Churchbook #56
Source: Sogn og Fjordane fylke, Sogndal, Ministerialbok nr. A 13 (1859-1877), Døde og begravede 1860, side 229.
If this is correct then obviously the man in Silver Lake, Iowa is a different man.
17 October 1837 marriage (posted by lyndal40)
Peder Nielsen Sættre age 20 - father Niels Pedersen Solvers. (?) [Solverstranden]
and
Marthe Larsdatter Malem age 28 - father Lars Malem.
Link
I didn't spend much time with the Ancestry trees earlier. Now I see some have Lewis/Lars listed as a child of Ole and Ragnhild Selsing. To recap, Ole and Ragnhild registered with their parish in April 1844 that they were moving out with the intention of going to America. The children going with them do not include Lars, and besides, he wasn't born yet. The 1850 US census for Ole and Ragnhild includes no child Lars or Lewis or similar. Lars/Lewis census records indicate him being born in Norway after Ole and Ragnhild left Norway and immigrating long after them. Lars's tombstone is inscribed with his 1846 date of birth.
The case is more clear for Lars (that he's not a child of Ole-Ragnhild) than for his brother Johannes, because of the timing of Lars's birth.
1900 US census
Mount Morris, Waushara, Wisconsin
Lewis P Selsing 52 born January 1848 in Norway; to USA 1863; married 1874
Sarah Selsing 45
Sadie L Selsing 10
Arlan P Selsing 7
George O Selsing 3
Martha S Skinner 22
1910 US census
Mount Morris, Waushara, Wisconsin
Lewis P Selsing 65 to USA 1860
Sarah Selsing 55
Arlon P Selsing 17
George O Selsing 12
Below, more children for Peder Nielsen (Sættre) (Selsing)
and Martha Larsdatter (Maelem) (Dvergedal) - my reading of the script for these farm names could be off.
Ingerid born 11 July 1841: #64
Anders born 05 Sep 1848 #87
This is probably the transcribed birth record of Martha Larsdatter
baptized 19 December 1809 in Hafslo, Sogn og Fjordane, Norway
Father: Lars Maelem
Mother: Ingeri
Link
She had a twin brother Anders: Link
This could be the transcribed birth of Peder Nilsen
christened 19 Oct 1817 in Hafslo
Parents Niels Pedersen and Anna Johannesdatter
Link
And the marriage of Niels Pedersen Solverstranden and Anna Johannesdatter Sætre 01 May 1820 in Hafslo: Link
The death of Niels Pedersen, Solvornstranden 26 Feb 1849, age 55: Link
I think there is a Walaker/Valaker in Solvorn/Hafslo. |
Edited by - JaneC on 28/03/2015 18:24:24 |
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jkmarler
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AntonH
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Posted - 28/03/2015 : 15:58:17
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If this is correct then obviously the man in Silver Lake, Iowa is a different man.
Nice work Jane, and yes I agree that the man in Silver Lake, Iowa is a diffent person than the father of Johannes Pedersen Selsing. The mom Family Tree is probaly mostly correct with the small error of probably trying to connect the Silver Lake, Iowa man to Johannes. |
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JaneC
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Posted - 28/03/2015 : 15:59:02
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Bingo - on the Lars leaving record.
The mom2 creator might have a reason unknown to us (like a family story) for connecting Peder Nielsen with Valaker and if so the man in Iowa was tempting. We didn't see a sign of that residence for him so far.
Back in an edit ---
Leaving registration and/or emigration record for Johannes hasn't been found. Lars was so young when he departed. One hypothesis could be that not only his father but also his mother have died and he is traveling to Johannes in America.
I wonder if the X marks Jackie asked about are people believed to have left the parish but not registered as such.
Johannes's death record or obit - or Lars/Lewis obit might hold the confirmation the two were brothers, but the circumstantial evidence is strong that they were.
The land map mentioned was 1914 and Ancestry search found no others. |
Edited by - JaneC on 29/03/2015 14:22:55 |
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