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MichaelLeeCT
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 Posted - 22/04/2015 : 18:34:57
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I received this marriage certificate from the New York City Municipal Archives today. It's from my great-great grandfather's first marriage. I know that Axel Lie (my great-great grandfather) was born in the town of Svelvik, Vestfold, which this record corroborates. Unfortunately, I can't seem to read the birthplace of his wife. I've tried a few spellings, and nothing seems to come up. If anybody happens to recognize the place name, it would be very helpful.
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vivi
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lornejohnson
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Posted - 22/04/2015 : 20:43:11
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| A district in Hedmark County in eastern Norway called Hedemarken. |
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vivi
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MichaelLeeCT
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Posted - 22/04/2015 : 23:06:36
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Thanks all for the help! Unfortunately, I can't find a Marie Anne/Mariane Larsdatter born to Lars Henriksen and Petronelle/Petrine in Hedmark county in the right time period, nor can I find any marriages between a Lars Henriksen and Petronelle/Petrine. Does anybody have any suggestions or helpful hints?
I was also able to find this indexed record:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVS2-7YWX
...but I can't entirely verify that it's the right Mariane Larsdatter. The dates seem to line up to within a few years, however. |
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jwiborg
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Norway
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Posted - 22/04/2015 : 23:23:01
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| Mariane Lars. (25) left Oslo on 15 Aug 1881, and listed residence was Løiten, Hedmark. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 22/04/2015 : 23:27:28
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Yes, the wife seems to be difficult to find. The closest I was able to come up with on the Ancestry.com Norwegian marriages data base was a real long shot for the parents?
Name: Lars Helgesen
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 5 jun 1843
Marriage Place: Aamot,Hedmark,Norway
Father: Helge Helgesen
Spouse: Petronelle Jensdr
FHL Film Number: 307253
Also see number 24
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9187&idx_id=9187&uid=ny&idx_side=-206
The only child they had that I could find with a close birth year is:
Name: Lina Larsen
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 1 feb 1855
Baptism Date: 15 apr 1855
Baptism Place: Aamot,Hedmark,Norway
Father: Lars Helgesen
Mother: Petronille Jensdr
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AntonH
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Posted - 22/04/2015 : 23:44:17
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And another long shot for ba;ptism. This would need for the marriage certificate to have been filled out quite incorrectly.
Name: Maria Larsen
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 1 mar 1856
Baptism Date: 15 jun 1856
Baptism Place: Loten,Hedmark,Norway
Father: Lars Olsen
Mother: Berthe Hendriksdr
FHL Film Number: 124294
This might be the same person with her mother and step-father in the 1865 Census.
1865 Census
Also see number 24
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9098&idx_id=9098&uid=ny&idx_side=-70 |
Edited by - AntonH on 23/04/2015 00:02:13 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/04/2015 : 01:57:14
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If this record is the same as the one posted above it gives a slightly different set of names for the parents of the bride. Looking at the original document, I think the name of the brides father is Lars and not Saro.
Axel Lie in the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America, Records, 1875-1940
Name: Axel Lie
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Date: 14 Dec 1859
Marriage Date: 4 Jul 1882
Marriage Place: Brooklyn, New York
Spouse: Mariano Larsen
Spouse Birth Place: Hedemoden Norge
Father: Andreas N Lie
Mother: Marie Torstensen
Spouse Father: Saro Henriksen
Spouse Mother: Petra Olsen
Church Name: Our Savior's Lutheran
Church Location: Brooklyn, New York |
Edited by - AntonH on 23/04/2015 02:01:58 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/04/2015 : 02:05:51
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| Is also gives her birthdate as 25 Feb 1853. |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 23/04/2015 : 09:41:20
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Mari Anne/Marianne Larsdatter, parents Lars Henriksen/Hendriksen and Petronelle/Petronella Olsdatter.
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AntonH
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AntonH
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Posted - 24/04/2015 : 00:22:00
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By 1892 he is found with his second wife Christine. First wife died in 1888 according to a Family Tree on Ancestry.com. Census shows two children, probably from his first wife. Annie and Liddie.
Arel Lee in the New York, State Census, 1892
Name: Arel Lee
Birth Year: abt 1860
Birth Place: Norway
Age: 32
Gender: Male
Citizenship: Citizen
Residence Place: Brooklyn, Kings
Ward: Ward 22
Election District: 30 |
Edited by - AntonH on 24/04/2015 00:24:29 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 24/04/2015 : 02:20:22
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Looking at a Family Tree for Axel Lie, it lists his father as Andreas Nielsen and his mother as
Anne Marie Johannesdatter
The Family Tree indicates that this person is a sibling to Axel.
Johan Markus Andersen in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Johan Markus Andersen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 11 jul 1862
Baptism Date: 7 sep 1862
Baptism Place: , Strommen, Vestfold, Norway
Father: Andreas Nilsen Lie
Mother: Anne Marie Johansen
FHL Film Number: 127644
And this would be the family in the 1865 Census.
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1865&knr=0701&kenr=000&bnr=0176&lnr=00
Perhaps the names of the parents in the Marriage records are not completely accurate. Maybe we need to ignore the marriage record for a little while and see what we can find. |
Edited by - AntonH on 24/04/2015 03:16:44 |
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AntonH
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AntonH
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Posted - 24/04/2015 : 02:54:07
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This is probably the marriage of Berthe Henriksdatter to her second husband.
Berthe Henriksdr in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
ame: Berthe Henriksdr
[Berthe Olsen]
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 15 jul 1864
Marriage Place: Loten,Hedmark,Norway
Father: Henrik Olsen
Spouse: Elias Torkilsen |
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Help reading birthplace on this marriage record
