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AntonH
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 Posted - 07/10/2015 : 00:20:23
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Jackie is correct, Gulbrand and Johanne are on the same ship as Herman and Lina. Not on the same page on the original manifest, but on the same ship.
Guebrand Larsen
in the Pennsylvania, Passenger and Crew Lists, 1800-1962
Name: Guebrand Larsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1831
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Arrival Date: 11 Jun 1881
Port of Arrival: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
Age on Arrival: 50
Ship: Indiana
Name: Johanne Larsen
Gender: Female
Birth Date: abt 1826
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Arrival Date: 11 Jun 1881
Port of Arrival: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
Age on Arrival: 55
Ship: Indiana |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 07/10/2015 : 01:46:39
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See Find a Grave, Lake Park cemetery, Edward and Marie Melby and same cemetery, Lena Melby born 1900 (maybe short for Caroline):
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gsr&GSln=Melby&GSiman=1&GScid=82660&
Marie Gulbrandson Melby son Carl memorial tells her maiden name:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=103833271
The package of evidence shows a mother Johanne Jensdatter b 1852 Nannestad goes to Sundby, Ullensaker, gives birth to Lina 1877 out of wedlock, seemingly away from home. The child is taken to America (destination Lake Park township, Becker county, Minnesota) by her maternal uncle Herman Jensen. Perhaps her mother had died? The two seemingly traveled or may have with Gulbrand Larsen Melby and wife Johanne Eriksdatter (who is possibly, as speculation, Lina's paternal great aunt). Lina is raised by the Melbys in Cuba township, a neighboring township to Lake Park. In the time-honored tradition of Norwegian immigrants, the first US records use the patronymic name of the male head of household - Larson - for everyone in the small family. Later Gulbrand and Johanne use Melby and ditto their ward, Lina.
A local newspaper story about Lina's marriage, or Gulbrand's 1908 death, or Johanne's death, might bear this out.
But anyway, to my mind that's the story created by the research here. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 07/10/2015 : 02:44:07
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The "Nannestad Family Forest" tree creator would be an excellent contact. He has posted his email address here, as too a descendant of Ingel Jensen Melby:
http://boards.ancestry.com/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=2130&p=localities.scan-balt.norway.general
Re. the story about Johanne Eriksdatter's daughter Anne Marie marrying Olaus Jensen Dolen, and their son Johan Alfred marrying Lina: this suggests Lina knew who she was, that she was not a child or grandchild to Johanne, since first cousins would not marry. Second cousins could... |
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cherylvanata
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Posted - 07/10/2015 : 05:48:41
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| Jane, I have now had time to catch up with all this information and I agree. He probably is the father of Lina. It does make sense. Lyndal40, Thanks for the instructions. I will try this method and also for finding the arrival of Herman Jensen and Lina Jensen into the United States. Jkmarler, Yes, you are right. That has to be her on the 1885 Census. What a great find. Until Jane pointed it out I did not realize the Gulbrand Larsen, Johanne Eriksdatter and Herman Jensen left the parish at the same time. How this started was Erik Kristoffersen and Anne Randine Kristoffersdatter had a son named Johan Laurits Kristoffersen (21 Sep 1872) and he married Annette Helmine Ristvedt at Lake Park, MN. The note on his coat had the name and address of his Aunt in Lake Park, Minnesota. He was 16 yrs and came by himself. I did not know how to find him but when I was doing the Dolen/Melby branch I realized that John C. Lund was Johan Laurits Kristoffersen. Had the exact same birthdate. You have no idea how thrilled I am with so much information! I would not have figured all this out on my own. This new stuff should keep me busy and quiet for awhile. |
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JaneC
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jkmarler
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 07/10/2015 : 15:25:59
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| The Moorhead Daily News is included in the online holdings of newspaperarchives if you have access through a facility or via your own subscription. I used to have access and a lot of Lake Park people are covered in this paper. Dates covered appeared to be 1930s- 1950s or so. |
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cherylvanata
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Posted - 07/10/2015 : 16:11:36
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| I now live 12 miles from Lake Park, Minnesota. I live in Detroit Lakes which has the Becker County Courthouse and an awesome Museum. I am going to check with them the Museum and see how far back they have copies of the Lake Park Journal. They used to have them back to 1878. Now I think they have copies back to 1942. When they run out of room, they send things to the State Historical Museum. I am making notes of things to look for at the Museum. This Moorhead Daily News would definitely cover a wider area than Lake Park. I just recently was able to connect Johanne Eriksdatter to Johan Laurits Kristoffersen. Can you provide me with records for his emigration? He was born 21 Sep 1872 in Austadhaugen, Holter, Nannestad. Emigrated in 1888. I can not get him to appear and I could not find him leaving the parish. Would be interesting to know where he came into the United States. Most of these people are coming in by way of Philadelphia to Lake Park or Moorhead. It is sentimental but I was really happy to get those additional records with Harald Jensen going back to Norway to get his Mother and the extra Census records. I need to pull more 1885 census records. Why they don't come up is a mystery but you might be right; they used their patronymic name first and may have settled on a different last name later. You have solved the whole story and backed it up with paperwork. It does not get any better than that. I will contact that fellow from the Nannestad Family Forest. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 07/10/2015 : 17:33:01
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To summarize info posted in the two threads:
Johan Laurits Kristoffersen was the brother of Erik Kristoffersen b 1857, the proposed possible father to Lina. If Erik is the father, then Johan Laurits would be Lina's paternal uncle.
Johan Laurits Kristoffersen was the nephew of Johanne Eriksdatter (wife of Gustav Larsen Melby); Johanne and Gustav seemingly raised Lina. |
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Johanne Jensdatter Bidslereie (1852)
