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jkmarler
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 Posted - 14/10/2015 : 19:08:04
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Here is a copy of a Bruun family from the redrikstad 1885 census but I have been unsuccessful finding the baby born in 1885--I've checked the girls, too in vestre Fredrikstad:
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Torger Andreas Bruun 1848 Frerikstad Skipper
007 00 Thora Bruun 1848 Egersund Ovenståendes Hustru
008 00 Thorleif Bruun 1877 Frstad Barn
009 Finn Bruun 1881 Frstad Barn
010 00 Asta Bruun 1884 Frstad Barn
01100 !! Bruun* 1885 Barn
Link to 1885 census:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01053251001421
In 1900 Thora, Thorlief, Asta and a Finn S living in Stavanger:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01037252021435
Grandfather Torger #51
Kildeinformasjon: Østfold fylke, Fredrikstad by, Dødsfallsprotokoll 2 , 1882-1892, oppb: Statsarkivet i Oslo.
Permanent sidelenke: http://arkivverket.no/URN:sk_read/27409/43/
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vivi
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jkmarler
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Posted - 14/10/2015 : 20:25:58
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vivi
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stephenbrown
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Australia
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Posted - 14/10/2015 : 22:28:37
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Why did he not marry the mother of his several children? Maybe he had already been married. Or maybe the family is not Lutheran and did not register the birth. By age 14 for the 1900 census he could already be a cabin boy or the like, at sea. Just thinking out loud why someone can't be found, despite telling his birth date and birth place. Or maybe the "Fredrikstad farm" idea is in play.
We also didn't find him registering with the US Navy.
Is it certain he departed for Australia from Bristol, England - or could that be Bristol, Rhode Island, USA.
gday, many thanks for everyones efforts, not sure why he did not marry, the wife of his children she was charged with bigamy some time after his death.
the Barque "hermes" i have as arriving in australia from Bristol England from newspaper article.. |
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stephenbrown
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Posted - 14/10/2015 : 22:36:23
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gday everyone sorry for not replying sooner, have just flown back home from work and now have internet again, i really appreciate all the help, i have printed out all this info and will start to digest all the information on my days off...
if only they knew someone maybe looking for them 100+ years later, and made it clearer their lineage lol
a question, why would a person be a "dissenter" once again really appreciate the help, it would be soooo good to track him down and find out more of my Norwegian family...take care and stay safe |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 14/10/2015 : 22:40:17
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| The Lutheran church in Norway is the "state" church. If you had a different faith you were considered a dissenter. |
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jkmarler
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jkmarler
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Posted - 15/10/2015 : 03:15:34
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Originally posted by stephenbrown
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gday, many thanks for everyones efforts, not sure why he did not marry, the wife of his children she was charged with bigamy some time after his death.
So she was married to someone sometime along the line if bigamy is the same in Australia as in America.
Have you got the birth records of each of the children? Some experience on this site with Australian birth records indicates information about each parent might iterated in a different & illuminating way. That's the hope anyway.
In Australia what occupation did John follow?
Did Australia WWI soldiers have to have wills as the British did? |
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AntonH
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Posted - 15/10/2015 : 23:23:08
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In several Family Tree's on Ancestry.com he is listed as John "Jack" Brown and is assumed to be that Jack Brown who died in WWI in Belgium.
John "Jack" Brown
BIRTH MAR 1885 • Norway
DEATH 9 OCT 1917 • Lyssenthoek Cemetery, Belgium
Williamina Russel (Minnie) Craig
BIRTH 30 JULY 1883 • Aboard ship - 10 days after departure. Registered on arrival in Queensland.
DEATH 25 MARCH 1933 • Queensland, Australia
De Facto partners only - lived Mt Morgan till Jack enlisted in 1915.
He is listed as a Carpenter on his WWI Service Record
Children
John "Jack" Brown
BIRTH 21 MAR 1909 • Mt Morgan, Qld, Australia.
DEATH Unknown
Alfred John Brown
BIRTH 1911 • Mt Morgan, Qld, Australia.
DEATH 2 APR 1925 • Queensland
Frederick Brown
BIRTH 7 AUG 1912 • Mt Morgan, Qld, Australia.
DEATH 3 MAR 1961 • Queensland
We went over this in the OP's first post, that Jackie linked to on page one, however it never went anywhere.
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vivi
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jkmarler
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Posted - 17/10/2015 : 02:31:53
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Okay, so 3 looks at the basic data of John Brown in Australia has not found resonance in the records in Norway.
There is no birth / baptism record for a John Brown in either of the two Fredrikstad parishes with the birth occurring on 5 Aug 1885. This transcends considerations of the name since there are no male births recorded for that date in Fredrikstad.
So now the search is to find what fits and what doesn't |
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AntonH
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Posted - 18/10/2015 : 00:40:41
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Alfred John Brown died youing
Alfred John Brown
in the Australia, Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: Alfred John Brown
Death Date: 02 Apr 1925
Death Place: Queensland
Father's name: John Brown
Mother's name: Minnie Craig
Registration Year: 1925
Registration Place: Queensland
Registration Number: 002366
Page Number: 197
Frederick lived much longer
Fredrick Brown
in the Australia, Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: Fredrick Brown
Death Date: 03 Mar 1961
Death Place: Queensland
Father's name: Jack
Mother's name: Williamina Russell Craig
Registration Year: 1961
Registration Place: Queensland
Registration Number: B043223
Page Number: 330
Could not find a death record for John "Jack" Brown but here is likely his birth record.
Jack Brown
in the Australia, Birth Index, 1788-1922
Name: Jack Brown
Birth Date: 21 Mar 1909
Father's name: Jack Brown
Mother's name: Williamina Russell Creig
Birth Place: Queensland
Registration Year: 1909
Registration Place: Queensland
Page Number: 3009
Registration Number: 007224 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 07/11/2015 : 03:38:13
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Here is a long shot for your John Brown. #4709 Johan Anker Syversen b. 22 Aug 1885 in Fredrikstad. On his sailing voyages he's been to Canada and also Melbourne:
Kildeinformasjon: Østfold fylke, Fredrikstad mønstringskontor, Yngre ruller, Annotasjonsruller, Annotasjonsrulle 7 (SAO/A-10569b/F/Fc/Fca/L0007), 1903-1916, oppb: Statsarkivet i Oslo.
Merknader: Annotasjonsrulle, patent nr. 4336-6069.
Permanent sidelenke: http://arkivverket.no/URN:db_read/db/41992/77/ |
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vivi
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John Brown Frederikstadt 1885
