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AntonH
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 Posted - 25/10/2015 : 01:43:38
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Jackie psoted this on page 2.
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Here is the police list record for Johan Leonard Peders. Skei leaving in 1900:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/gen/vis/8/pe00000000134119.
He is travelling to his cousin Albert Skei, Lake Park, Minnesota. Lake Park is in Becker County.
Johan P Skei
in the U.S., Border Crossings from Canada to U.S., 1895-1956
Name: Johan P Skei
Birth Date: abt 1878
Age: 22
Gender: Male
Arrival Date: 1 Jun 1900
Port of Arrival: Quebec, Canada
Ship Name: Lake Megantic
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Residence Place: Helgeland Hamlet
Residence Country: Andorra
Record Type: Manifests
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JaneC
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jkmarler
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Posted - 25/10/2015 : 02:15:41
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| Just to show how interconnected these people and these topics are, on the same page as Olaf's baptism is the baptism of Eilert Berulf the son of Ilmer Mikalsen and Bertine Ebbesdatter. Bertine would be 1st cousin to Albert Skei and Jens Mork Anderson. |
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Pgalb
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Posted - 16/11/2015 : 03:06:03
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Thank you for the records you've found!! Here's what I know and speculate about this issue: Jens Mork Andersen Skei is my great grandfather. John Mark Anderson is what he called himself after he emigrated in early 1890's. His brother, Albert Skei traveled about a month before Jens Mork did. In 1899, John/Jens' father, Anders Benjaminson Skei emigrated to the US (MN). I'm wondering if John/Jens went back to Norway to get his father in 1898.
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Pgalb
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Posted - 16/11/2015 : 03:09:58
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| I have not found boat records for Anders Benjaminson Skei from Heroy, Nordland, Norway in 1899. Perhaps John Mark Anderson is listed with him. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 16/11/2015 : 03:36:47
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Originally posted by Pgalb
I'm so sorry I didn't realize you all were working on this research question. Thank you for the records you've found!! Here's what I know and speculate about this issue: Jens Mork Andersen Skei is my great grandfather. John Mark Anderson is what he called himself after he emigrated in early 1890's. His brother, Albert Skei traveled about a month before Jens Mork did. In 1899, John/Jens' father, Anders Benjaminson Skei emigrated to the US (MN). I'm wondering if John/Jens went back to Norway to get his father in 1898-1899? While home, perhaps conceived this child, Olaf Bru. One of John Mark Anderson's granddaughters has recently shared the news about Olaf being Johns son.
If your Olaf Bru is the same Olaf Bru as the forum found, it's unlikely that Jens Mork Anderson is the father of Olaf. It might be helpful to have more information about your Olaf Bru. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 16/11/2015 : 16:33:16
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Originally posted by Kåarto
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Originally posted by Pgalb
I'm looking for a son born to my gt. grandfather, Jens Mork Anderson Skei from Donna Island, Norway. His name was Olaf Brue and he was born around 1890, before my gt. Grandfather emigrated.
Where do you have the information that Olaf Bru was son of Jens Mørk Andersen?
Kåre
Jkmarler also asked, me also, but deleted because redundant.
Again the Frodo tree:
http://www.slekt.net/tng/getperson.php?personID=I25471&tree=1
What is the documentation in the case? Where is the cousin coming up with the idea that JMA is father to your Olaf Bru? What record or other evidence have you showing your Olaf Bru even existed or who his father was? Not a cousin telling you - the question then just transfers to the cousin. |
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Pgalb
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Posted - 16/11/2015 : 16:58:15
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| Unless there is a boat record to show that John Mark Anderson was back in Norway in 1898, it's difficult to speculate. I'm not sure why Olaf Bru was living with the Andersons in ND in 1915 or the Lein family, in Purcell,ND in 1920. |
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JaneC
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Posted - 16/11/2015 : 17:33:09
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OK, that's a great help. So there is no evidence JMA had a son named Olaf Bru. What happened is, you or the cousin found Olaf Bru living with "your" John Mørk Andersen in North Dakota in 1915, and the question is:
Who is this Olaf Bru?
Thanks for clarifying that. In that case the forum made progress answering the question. |
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Pgalb
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Posted - 17/11/2015 : 00:28:01
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| Jane, this all started with a recently revealed "family secret". Supposedly, John Mark's children may not have known about it. I will ask the reporter how she was informed. |
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JaneC
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Posted - 17/11/2015 : 00:38:28
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The plot thickens!  |
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JaneC
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Posted - 17/11/2015 : 06:55:07
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Originally posted by Pgalb
I have not found boat records for Anders Benjaminson Skei from Heroy, Nordland, Norway in 1899. Perhaps John Mark Anderson is listed with him.
Anders Benjamins. Skjei, age 60, registered to depart Trondheim on the Domino, 01 June 1898 with other family members (daughters Petra and Alma??? listed as Alvin):
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Their tickets were paid for in America. |
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Pgalb
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Posted - 17/11/2015 : 15:09:20
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| Thank you. That's correct. He traveled with his 2 daughters, Petra and Alma. So I can throw out my theory that John Anderson came back to travel with them and while back in Norway, conceived a child. The timing is off since Olaf Brue was born June 15, 1899. |
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JaneC
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Posted - 17/11/2015 : 17:29:52
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Originally posted by Kåarto
Jens Andersen Mørks father, probably as widower, Anders Benjaminsen Skjei and two of Jens siblings, Petra and Alvin,em. from Dønna 1898, dep. port Trondheim, tickets paid for in America link
Kåre
Just reviewed the thread; noticing Kåre's find of Anders's emigration.
pgalb, why does this latest post say your Olaf Brue was born 15 June 1899? The opening question says your Olaf Brue was born ca 1890.
Based on these latest posts, I am beginning to think the name Olaf Brue might be a red herring, with nothing to do with the real question. Maybe the real question is, did JMA have a secret (unknown to family) child.
JMA can travel to Norway all he likes (or not) and he still wouldn't be the father of Olaf Brue born 15 June 1899. One doesn't need the emigration record of Anders Skei to know that.
In so far as Olaf Brue born 15 June 1899, the father is known and was posted. More about Olaf Brue b 15 June 1899:
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/TRONDELAG/2009-08/1250566076 |
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Pgalb
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Posted - 17/11/2015 : 22:00:22
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Yes, Jane. You are indeed correct about the real question: did JMA have a son, unbeknownst to the family? First of all, let me say that my original post about the date of Olaf Brue's birth was only a guess. We now know that the Olaf Brue who emigrated here in 1914 as a 15 year old was born in June 1899. He is the same Olaf Brue who lived with JMAs family (according to the 1915 census).
I've contacted the cousin who has passed along the information. She said one of JMA's daughters leaked the secret to some of the family members years ago. Since that daughter has passed away, we have no way to verify the rumors with documentation or to know how she got her information.
We have Norwegian church record of Olaf's birth. It lists his mother "unmarried" at the time of his birth. It lists his father as Johan Bru. Johan is listed as a bachelor and Olaf's mother is listed as a "maid" in the same household. Is it possible that Johan stepped in to call himself Olaf's father even though he may not have been? Do records lie? That's why I'd like to find a boat record for JMA returning to Norway in 1898. If he did, then we might think it possible and investigate further. Otherwise, we can put this to rest if the two (JMA and Olaf's mother) didn't meet in Sept 1898. |
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