My GG grandmother came over from Norway [1900 Iowa census] about 1886.
Her marriage record in Sioux City, Woodbury co., Iowa says parents are Erik Jorgensen and Dorthea Olsn. The starnge thing for me is her last name on marr record is listec as Asbill. But it was probably Asboll. I did an Ancestry dna kit not to long ago and found a connected ancestor to her by way of her grandparents. Basically showing her dad's brother as Ole Jorgensen Barboe. Now I am really confused with so many "last" names.
For my GG gdandparents they were both married that one time in 1898 Sioux City. Then Ella died after her second child and so did the child. They are actually buried in the same cemetery as Ole Barboe's son Knudt [the posible uncles son]
I am having a hard time trying to find them on any ship from Norway or a connection to Ellas's grandparents. Also having a hard time finding her family in any Iowa census. Not sure if they even came over with her?
Now on Ellas husband side Valdum or the Americanized Waldum I have done much research and found the family. But on her side is my brick wall.
Ella could be originally from Orkdahl or Sor Trondelag?
If anyone can help I would be much appreciative!
I have done a lot of work adding the family to findagrave as well [Waldum]
Asbøll is likely a farm name. Typically in Norway a person is given a first name, the surname is usually a patronymic based on the name of their father with son or datter added based on the person so named's sex and then a farm name which functions as an address. If the person moves from that farm to a different farm then they adopt that farm name.
Ella says in the 1900 census she came over in 1886. I wonder if she came with her parents or a sibling?
My Waldum family had 2 older sons come to America first and they saved up money to help buy tickets for the rest of the family [parents & siblings] to come over from Norway.
That's why I wonder if Ella was with her parents or not. I can't find the parents anywhere in the US at least not yet :)
Likely Eli's mother Dorthe Olsdatter. There are two Dorothea / Dorte Olsdatters born in 1841 in Orkdal. So more research should be undertaken to be more certain, but this one seems likeliest since her mother's name is Elie which one of the names of Dorthe's two daughters: http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/kb/dp/person/pd00000002875909
This is likely Eli arriving into Canada. The original manifest states destination is Sioux City. Only issue is that the person is identified as a male. However that is likely an error as the Norwegian records of the emmigration refer to Eli as a female ie k for kvinne.
Eli Asbohl in the Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935 Name: Eli Asbohl Gender: Male Age: 19 Birth Year: abt 1874 Date of Arrival: 13 May 1893 Vessel: Parisian Search Ship Database: Search for the Parisian in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Port of Arrival: Quebec, Quebec, Canada; Montreal, Quebec, Canada Port of Departure: Liverpool, England; Londonderry, Ireland
As well as the description of Eli as a female in this version of the emigration record, it also provides an easy way to see who her fellow passengers are. Next to Eli is a Micael O Barbo, who also shows up in the arrival record on Ancestry.com giving further proof that this is the Eli from the record that Jackie has given you.
Here is the vertually the same record, also from Ancestry.com but with an easier to read original manifest. It also shows all of the same people travelling at the same time and on the same ship as does the Norwegian record. Since it is the same record as the Canadian one it repeats the same mistake by identifying Eli as a male.
Eli Asbohl in the UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 Name: Eli Asbohl Gender: Male Age: 19 Birth Date: abt 1874 Departure Date: 4 May 1893 Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Destination Port: Quebec, Canada Ship Name: Parisian Search Ship Database: Search for the Parisian in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping line: Allan Line Master: J Ritchie
You asked, who is Elie? Elie is the Norwegian birth name of your Ella (b Sep 1873 and married Ole Olsen Waldum in Sioux City, Iowa). Elie emigrated to the USA in 1893, as jkmarler posted. Her husband emigrated with parents ca mid-1880s,didn't he? So perhaps the US census taker in 1900 simply gives Ole and Ella the same immigration date. You didn't share the 1900 census with us, and I didn't look it up.
Notice on the 1865 census for Erik that his mother (hans moder) Kari Olsdatter is noted with a Norwegian word that means she's a retired previous owner, still living there. Her son Ole (brother to Erik) runs the place. Notice Ole has a son Knut born 1858. That's the Knut you mentioned to start out.
This Knut emigrated 1882 as I recall - I looked up his emigration at Digitalarkkivet ( links to this website posted above). Knut is Ella's first cousin. In the 1875 census for Ella's uncle Ole J. Barbo, he is shown with a son Mikkel born 1874. (That census is posted on the family tree link.) Now look again at the 1893 emigration for Ella (Elie). Click on Previous record to see who is next to her on the departure list. It is Mikkel Barbo, age 19, born about 1874. He is likely Ella's traveling companion, likely her first cousin, Knut's brother. Further research could confirm this. Others in this family seem to have emigrated as well. Further research would tell.
Likely Ella is heading to her cousin Knut and any others from the family and/or the neighborhood who are in Sioux City.
Ella (Elie) can be referred to as Eriksdatter because she's Erik's daughter. She can be referred to as Jorgensen if she decided to go modern and use her father's last name instead of his first name. This was a normal shift that people all over Norway made in this era. Ella can also be referred to by her farm name. A person changes farm names when he/she moves, so it's more like an address than a name. In America imigrants are sometimes inconsistent about their name, at first, then after some years they choose just one of their names as a surname. So it's very normal to find Ella with her farm name on her 1898 marriage record.
Some of this is obvious, some maybe not. If this clarifies anything at all, great.
John & Karen are possible siblings so it could very well be them. Thank you for this!
jkmarler posted Elie's birth record (Ella's birth record) and you replied this way. There are no siblings for Elie in her birth record. The extra names are godparents. The residence of each godparent is noted on the far right. The names correspond to family members and likely there are family connections here. The 1875 census for Erik and family DOES show siblings for Elie. What made you think she may have had siblings John and Karen? This proved true, along with your other hypotheses. So I'm curious why you thought so.
The LONG Crossing of the Hannah Parr - Background Essay - The fascinating story of the Hannah Parr crossing the atlantic in 1868, the ship encountered serious trouble on the way. This is probably one of the best documented crossings of a norwegian emigrant ship of that era, thanks to Clair O. Hagen and James Overdahl
Looking for help please with brick wall on my GG g
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