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eibache
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Norway
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Posted - 06/03/2016 :  11:09:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
When Christen Hansen and Berte Larsdatters first son, Lars, born 1809 at Wangen, was baptized, see 5th record, Rasmus Friderichsen and Kari Jensdatter, nordre Bruget were witnesses.
When their second son, Hans, was born 1812 they were at Nordbruget, see 5th record.

Einar

Edited by - eibache on 06/03/2016 11:34:46
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eibache
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Norway
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Posted - 06/03/2016 :  12:04:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Lars Christensen who married Elie Wernsdatter (Wernersdatter) Oct 23 1835, were born at Brugvangen (Vangen under Bruget).
Elie Wernersdatter was from Pedersveen.
Her baptismal record is 1st record right page.
Her father and grandparents in 1801.

Einar
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jkmarler
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USA
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Posted - 06/03/2016 :  12:32:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler

Being born on the 17 May in Norway is like being born on the 4th of July here

Here is Christian Larson's baptism #41 left page:
Source information: Oppland county, Fåberg, Parish register (official) nr. 4 (1833-1837), Birth and baptism records 1835, page 66-67.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9280&idx_id=9280&uid=ny&idx_side=-23

There are some little notes by this entry in a different hand it would be interesting to get those interpreted and translated. Looks like there is a date of 5 June 1838 on the left note.



Einar since you're engaged could you look at this note?
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AntonH
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USA
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Posted - 06/03/2016 :  17:52:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Christen Hansen, øvre Bergseng-Eiet and Berte Larsdoter, Vangen were married June 12 1808, see 3rd record on left page


Your directions are fine Einar, however I think your link is incorrect. I think you wanted us to go here.

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9072&idx_id=9072&uid=ny&idx_side=-170

Edited by - AntonH on 06/03/2016 17:52:56
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eibache
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Norway
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Posted - 06/03/2016 :  19:59:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Your directions are fine Einar, however I think your link is incorrect. I think you wanted us to go here.

Your right, my normal way of setting up a link does not work.

Einar
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eibache
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Norway
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Posted - 06/03/2016 :  20:25:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Einar since you're engaged could you look at this note?


I have looked at it several times, but has not found the correct words.
What I read is: "? indkalt Moderen hertil den 5te Juni 1848."

For another Uægte child I read "Attest meddelt Barnemoderen - -."

Einar
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jkmarler
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Posted - 06/03/2016 :  22:02:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So was there some kind of legal action that the mother was called into testify?
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jkmarler
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Posted - 07/03/2016 :  01:46:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is action of Gjeiterud, #1 Guri and Marthe Olsdtrs sell to their brother Erik Olson:
Kildeinformasjon: Protokollnummer: 3.1, Sted: Sør-Gudbrandsdal sorenskriveri, Fåberg tinglag, Oppbevaringssted: SAH
Merknader: Gnr. 1/1-87/33. Aut. 23.11.1912.
Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-tl20070510320399.jpg

Marthe Olsdatter Gjeitrud moves into Ringsaker #1 left hand page:
Source information: Hedmark county, Ringsaker, Parish register (official) nr. 11 (1870-1878), Migration records 1870-1872, page 496.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8845&idx_id=8845&uid=ny&idx_side=-373

#90 Kristian Larsen age 34 leaving Ringsaker in 1870, he was on mid Brugeie:
Source information: Hedmark county, Ringsaker, Parish register (official) nr. 11 (1870-1878), Migration records 1870-1877, page 499.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8845&idx_id=8845&uid=ny&idx_side=-377

#124 Ole son of Kristian Larsen Puttenberghagen baptism:
Source information: Hedmark county, Ringsaker, Parish register (official) nr. 10 (1861-1869), Birth and baptism records men 1869, page 81.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8844&idx_id=8844&uid=ny&idx_side=-87
faddernes: Gulbrand Eriksen Gjeiterud, Peder P Puttenberg and wife, Kristian Ols. Nordlieeie

Christian Larsen & Anne Olsdatter marriage:
Source information: Oppland county, Lillehammer bysokn in Fåberg, Parish register copy nr. 7 (1856-1891), Marriage records 1858, page 862-863.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6091&idx_id=6091&uid=ny&idx_side=-141

Matthias #126
Source information: Oppland county, Lillehammer bysokn in Fåberg, Parish register copy nr. 7 (1856-1891), Birth and baptism records 1858, page 42-43.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6091&idx_id=6091&uid=ny&idx_side=-24
faddernes: Christian, Ole, Johanne, Olea Saterbakken, Iver Gederud






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dwssnell
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USA
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Posted - 07/03/2016 :  02:18:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you so much everyone. I was gone for two days on current family business, and now all these new posts which I will really have to study. I appreciate all of your efforts on my behalf. It is so much appreciated!
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dwssnell
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USA
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Posted - 07/03/2016 :  02:54:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Lyndal 40: That 1865 census is my Christian Larsen who was the illegitimate son of Marthe Olsdatter Gjetrud and Lars Bruget. His confirmation record says his father was Lars Christensen. On the 1865 census, Mathias, his elder son, is my g. grandfather who changed his name to Martin Larson in America. The family emigrated in 1871 from Norway (Nordhagen) to America with Mathias and younger son Ole who was born after the census. The girl Maria died at age 6. My Christian was born May 17, 1835. Now if this Lars that married Eli is the same person, then he had another son names Kristian after the marriage. That is an interesting concept and definitely not impossible.
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dwssnell
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Posted - 07/03/2016 :  03:09:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
lyndal 40: I wondered, too, where the name Mathias came from. Ole came from his mother's father, but maybe it wasn't Lars because of being illegitimate? May be it was from Christian's mother Marthe. Mathias changed his name to Martin in America. I wish I knew.
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dwssnell
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USA
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Posted - 07/03/2016 :  03:38:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
lyndal 40: In my Norwegian language class last week the teacher, who grew up in Norway. said that matronymic names were used as well as patronymic, especially in cases of illegitimacy. Have you heard of that before? It was new to me. We weren't talking about any specific case, but she was giving an overview of Norwegian naming patterns.
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dwssnell
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USA
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Posted - 07/03/2016 :  03:43:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
jkmarler I zoomed the birth record of Christian Larsen up to 250% and still can't read the first part of it, but the last part looks like June 5, 1834.
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AntonH
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USA
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Posted - 07/03/2016 :  21:58:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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lyndal 40: In my Norwegian language class last week the teacher, who grew up in Norway. said that matronymic names were used as well as patronymic, especially in cases of illegitimacy. Have you heard of that before? It was new to me. We weren't talking about any specific case, but she was giving an overview of Norwegian naming patterns.


It was relatively rare that ”families in Norway took the wives last name” (surname), but it did happen. When the family took the wife’s last name, it usually indicates she was of high social status

You might find this aricle interesting, it is a little long and detailed but very comprehesive.

http://www.nagcnl.org/naming-patterns/

Edited by - AntonH on 07/03/2016 22:07:31
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AntonH
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USA
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Posted - 08/03/2016 :  00:02:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This is likely the Erik and Marthe who were witnesses for the baptism of your Christian Larsen with a baptism of their own. . I assume from the farm name they are using (Erik Gjetterud ) that they will likely be friends of the mother.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VWPN-F7W

And maybe them in the 1865 Census

http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1865&knr=0524&kenr=007&bnr=0069&lnr=00

A brother of your Martha perhaps?

Edited by - AntonH on 08/03/2016 00:13:46
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