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mastokk2
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 Posted - 14/03/2016 : 20:50:20
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I have since 2006 heard about a tragedy happened in Grand Forks, ND in the fall 1884.
It was a family of 5, mother, father and 3 children, mother was in high pregnancy with the 4th baby. They arrived America two years before the tragedy happened.
In end of August 1884 father killed mother, and a couple of days later he killed himself. Father was Knut Anderson Moe, mother Inga Moe.
3 children left alone.
The oldest girl was Marie (Mary?), she was born Nov 23 1878
Then Martha, she was born June 21 1880, but I have located all the information about her. Her descendants have no ideas about her siblings.
Then Anders/Andreas/Andrew, he was born February 16 1882.
So the question is, where was Marie and Anders raised?
I have tried many different ways to locate them, but until now, nothing have been a success.
There is no info to locate in the probate records, so the only solution I have, is that maybe,maybe, someone have heard about this tragedy, and about the children. Maybe some old people from the area Grand Forks |
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mastokk2
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 14/03/2016 : 21:35:30
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Not sure you've seen this before. The coroner's reports are searchable in a database at Chester Fritz Library and online. The actual records have limited availability. You could contact the Special Collections area of the University of North Dakota Chester Fritz Library:
Date Name Location Box Folder Inquest #
30 Aug 1884 Inger Moe Northwood 1 72 Unnumbered report.
Death sometime prior to above date of inquest
31 Aug 1884 Knute A. Moe Chester Township 1 73 Unnumbered report.
Even though Knute was thought to have done the deed, there is an interesting newspaper account in which the children left at the house were reported to have had contact with a different set of adults prior to the actual discovery of their mother's body who were not their father. Knute had apparently had some difficulty with his neighbors..
Interesting to me is that my great great great grandparents, great great grandparents and great grandmother lived in Lind Township in Grand Forks county when the events occurred. Unfortunately they are all long, long gone.
Post some links to the person you think might be the son. Grand Rapids is a different place than Grand Forks county.
Here is what Wikipedia says about Grand Rapids, North Dakota:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Rapids,_North_Dakota |
Edited by - jkmarler on 15/03/2016 01:22:51 |
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AntonH
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 14/03/2016 : 23:22:09
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Here is an Andrew born abt 1883 with father Halvor living in North Dakota. However rest of family does not match very well. Trail County is next to Grand Forks County. Also this Andrew was born in North Dakota not Norway.
Andrew Thompson
in the North Dakota, Territorial and State Censuses, 1885, 1915, 1925
Name: Andrew Thompson
County: Traill
Town/City: Enumeration District 13
State/Territory: Dakota Territory, USA
Census Date: 1 Jun 1885
Age: 2
Birth Year: abt 1883
Birth Place: Dakota
Gender: Male
Race: White
Relation to Head of House: Son
Page: 26
Line: 41
Household Members:
Name Age
Halvor Thompson 46
Gyae Thompson 32
Signe Thompson 14
Tom Thompson 7
Charley Thompson 6
Ola Thompson 4
Andrew Thompson 2
Anna Thompson 1/12
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AntonH
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Posted - 14/03/2016 : 23:41:06
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This might be part of the same family above. Mother is listed here as Julia age 44, children are Thomas age 18, Andrew age 12 and Anna age 7.
Andrew Thompson
in the Minnesota, Territorial and State Censuses, 1849-1905
Name: Andrew Thompson
[User-submitted-comment]
Age: 12
Census Date: 1895
County: Clay
Locality: Moland
Birth Location: N.D.
Gender: Male
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Race: White
Line: 41
Roll: V290_54 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/03/2016 : 00:58:50
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Here is the 1900 US Census with an Andrew Thompson living with a Marsden family. Norman County is next to Clay county where Andrew may have lived with his mother in the 1895 Minn Census.
Andrew Thompson
in the 1900 United States Federal Census
Name: Andrew Thompson
Age: 18
Birth Date: Feb 1882
Birthplace: North Dakota
Home in 1900: Lee, Norman, Minnesota
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Servant
Marital Status: Single
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Arthur Marsden 41
Lizzie Marsden 37
Anna Marsden 9
Fredie Marsden 8
May Marsden 6
Harry Marsden 5
Grace Marsden 3
Ruth Marsden 1
Caterine Marsden 75
George Marsden 39
Charley Marsden 35
Andrew Thompson 18
Jacob Ulvestad 20
Severris Tingelstad 21
Ida Wolpers 26
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Edited by - AntonH on 15/03/2016 04:11:58 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/03/2016 : 01:26:21
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Here is a confirmation record for Andrew Thompson. Perley, Minnesota is in Norman County. Birth place of the confirmed child is listed as Grand Forks County, North Dakota.
The birth date for this person is not an exact match for the date given by the OP for her Anders.
Andrew Thompson
in the U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church of America, Records, 1875-1940
Name: Andrew Thompson
Event Type: Confirmation
Birth Date: 12 Feb 1882
Confirmation Date: 24 Oct 1897
Father: Halvor Thompson
Mother: Julia Thompson
Church Name: Kirkebo Lutheran
Church Location: Perley, Minnesota |
Edited by - AntonH on 15/03/2016 01:44:44 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 15/03/2016 : 01:32:00
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The 1885 census is the closest record to the date of the events in which you might find the children. But there are some things to understand. In Grand Forks County, something like 10 pages of entries are missing of people living in Grand Forks County. The three generations of my family mentioned earlier are not found in the 1885 census, but they were there from 1882.
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AntonH
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Posted - 15/03/2016 : 01:42:30
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Another child of Halvor and Julia was buried in 1897 at 20 years old. Birth date is listed as July 10, 1879. Born in Trail County, North Dakota.
Charles Thompson
in the U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church of America, Records, 1875-1940
Name: Charles Thompson
Event Type: Burial
Birth Date: 10 Jul 1879
Death Date: 17 Aug 1899
Burial Date: 18 Aug 1899
Father: Halvor Thompson
Mother: Julia Thompson
Church Name: Kirkebo Lutheran
Church Location: Perley, Minnesota
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jkmarler
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Posted - 15/03/2016 : 02:02:53
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AntonH
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Posted - 15/03/2016 : 02:03:05
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| I have posted a lot of information on the Andrew Thompson that the OP feels could be the same person as Anders, Andreas, Andrew son of Knute Andersen Moe and wife Inger. However there are a lot of And* born 1882 plus/minus 2 that can be found in the 1885 North Dakota Census. Question for the OP is why does she think this particular person is the correct one? |
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AntonH
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Posted - 15/03/2016 : 02:22:39
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Information from a post on Roots Web.
Just a few more additions on Knut Andersen Moe and his wife, Inga
Olsdatter:
When their son Anders was born on February 16, 1882 in Mo, Hosanger,
Hordaland, they were living at the Otterstad farm (entry #7):
Source information: Hordaland county, Mo in Hosanger, Parish register
(official) nr. C 1 (1880-1900), Birth and baptism records 1882, page 8.
Permanent pagelink:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=2224&idx_id=2224&uid=ny&idx_side=-9
Here is the record of Knut, Inga and family leaving Bergen in 1882, using
the surname "Helleland."
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=7&;
filnamn=EMIBERG&gardpostnr=11918&merk=11918#ovre
Vickie in MN
Second link does not seem to work, but here is a link to the original post.
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/NORWAY/2010-11/1290869797http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/NORWAY/2010-11/1290869797 |
Edited by - AntonH on 15/03/2016 02:26:24 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 15/03/2016 : 02:23:40
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Here is the Halvor Thompson family in 1880 census:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MCV4-787
Thomas Thompson Self M 60 Norway
Carrie Thompson Wife F 65 Norway
Halver Thompson Son M 40 Norway
Julia K Thompson Daughter F 28 Norway
Tilda Thompson Daughter F 16 Norway
Emma Thompson Daughter F 11 Norway
Sarah Thompson Daughter F 9 Norway
Toms L Thompson Son M 2 Dakota Territories
Charles Thompson Son M 0 Dakota Territories
Thomas Thompson Other M 38 Norway
Citing this Record
"United States Census, 1880," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MCV4-787 : Halver Thompson in household of Thomas Thompson, Township 148 Range 49, Traill, Dakota Territory, United States; citing enumeration district ED 66, sheet 261C, NARA microfilm publication T9 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.), roll 0114; FHL microfilm 1,254,114.
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AntonH
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AntonH
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Posted - 15/03/2016 : 03:47:58
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This is probably the 1885 census record for M Moe referenced by the OP in her Roots Web post. Four year old child reads M Moe in the census original document.
S Olson
in the North Dakota, Territorial and State Censuses, 1885, 1915, 1925
Name: S Olson
County: Grand Forks
Town/City: Enumeration District 11
State/Territory: Dakota Territory, USA
Census Date: 1 Jun 1885
Age: 42
Birth Year: abt 1843
Birth Place: Nor
Gender: Female
Race: White
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Page: 77
Line: 44
Household Members:
Name Age
S Olson 43
S Olson 42
Hane Olson 20
J Olson 17
S Olson 14
O.M Olson 10
M Mal 4
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Edited by - AntonH on 15/03/2016 03:49:22 |
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Who raised two abandoned children? ND 1884
