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mastokk2
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 Posted - 18/03/2016 : 12:15:32
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Thank you very much to lyndal and jkmarler!!
If it could be possible after 10 years to locate where Andrew (Anders) and/or Marie (Mary) were raised, it would have been fantastic, for their relatives, but also for me, after all thse years with working!!! |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 20/03/2016 : 04:45:31
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Grand Forks Daily Herald, Saturday 30 August 1884 pg 1, col 2
“Murder Most Foul!
Two Lives Sacrificed on the Border of Steele County—An enciente Woman the Victim.
The Husband—A Wandering Lunatic-- Three Little Orphans Left Alone by Brutal Assassins
Ostensibly a man and Woman the Unhallowed Murderers—Result of Norwegian Fend.
(Map)
Explanation. White Line at bottom, Steele county line, Nels Johnson's house lower right hand, Moe's house in center line west, path to stream where two pails found, one rinsed the other not from milking just done north of path willows where body was found lying on left side with right arm bent over her head covered with brush Distance to Steele line, ¾ mile from Moe's house to stream branch, 20 rods.
On Tuesday evening an double crime was committed near the border of Steele county in the township of Lind, according to reports attainable, which for atrocity and unprovoked cruelty has no parallel in the history of the Northwest, the poor victim being a woman and her unborn child, leaving three small children doubly bereft of parents, the husband and father Knud O. Moe being a wandering lunatic. Who perpetrated the outrage, is now under investigation and suffice it to give the facts so far as known, bearing upon the case. HERALD readers will remember that some time ago that Knud O. Moe, who had been outraged and beaten by a Steele county gang of ruffians who are now under bond to appear at Larimore on the 15th of September and answer a charge of assault had become so terrorized that he was duly declared insane and while Sheriff Jenks was conveying him to the asylum, made his escape by jumping through the window. Since that time nothing was heard from him until the other day the sheriff received a dispatch from H.L. Olsen justice of the peace in Lind, saying “Knut Moe is back home at large. Come at once” Deputy Sheriff Crane at once sent Deputy Sam O Leen to the scene and he returned last night with a report of what he'd found and heard Instead of finding Moe or anyone who had seen him, he learned that Moe's wife who would soon have become a mother, was found dead on the banks of a little branch and her body covered with brush, drift and rubbish, by the neighbors; and Johnson a near neighbor was the only one who claimed to have seen Moe about, but on different occasions gave different stories about it and finally left the town. The inquiry made by Sheriff Leen developed the following facts. On Tuesday evening, Mrs. Moe leaving her little children, the oldest being about 6 years old went to the branch for water and did not return. Presently a man and a woman came to the house and put the children to bed and in so doing hurt one. The oldest child being asked at once the following day if the man was “papa” said it was not. After the children had been put to bed, the man got a white piece of cloth and put it on a stick and raised it on the house as a signal and having
closed the door, left. The next morning a neighbor noticed the signal and went to the house finding the children alone. They did not know what had become of their mother but told the story about the man and woman. A search was instituted when the neighbors got together and resulted in finding the woman as above described. It was Johnson who went to the justice and reported that Moe had come back and on the strength of his report the dispatch was sent. Another neighbor saw a man in the vicinity but a taller man than Moe who is of small stature. After putting the corpse under guard and taking other precautions, Sheriff Leen returned and today Sheriff Jenks and the coroner left for the scene of the tragedy taking a coffin with them. An inquest will be held and until the report is returned the HERALD will refrain from further comments.”
I was curious how close to my ancestor's homestead this murder occurred. This story contained a roughly drawn map showing the stream going into the border between Lind Township and Steele county. There is only one creek or river big enough to be pictured on USGS maps, the BLM site map and the plat map of 1893 which flows into Steele county from the lower tier of sections in Lind Township. It is Spring Creek which mostly flows west to east across those townships until it reaches Section 36 when it actually does go into Steele County. Regards the near neighbor named Nels Johnson, the map in the article shows his house south of the Moe home nearer the Lind-Steele border. There was a Nels D. Johnson who proved his homestead in Section 34 but the layout presented by the map in the paper doesn't match the geography in Section 34.
If the action occurred in Section 34 that would have been just over two miles south from my ancestor's homestead in Section 15 and if it occurred in Section 36, the same distance south and just two miles further east. Definitely in the hood. |
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mastokk2
Junior member
Norway
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Posted - 23/03/2016 : 10:42:26
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Thanks again jkmarler for all your work!
I have been away for some days, without internet, but now back in home :-)
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mastokk2
Junior member
Norway
70 Posts |
Posted - 21/08/2017 : 15:20:33
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I am trying again!
Maybe there are descendants after Marie or Andrew, who not have started the search before now....
Wonders has happened before :-D
Andrew born Feb 16 1882 and sister Marie.....
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mastokk2
Junior member
Norway
70 Posts |
Posted - 21/08/2017 : 15:23:36
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Originally posted by mastokk2
I am trying again!
Maybe there are descendants after Marie or Andrew, who not have started the search before now....
Wonders has happened before :-D
Andrew born Feb 16 1882 and sister Marie born Nov 23 1878, where were they raised?
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 25/08/2017 : 14:59:19
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Okay so who raised Martha (Mattie) Moe?
Did you get the coroner's files on the parents?
Orphaned children are usually handled by the probate courts since there may have been family assets to be distributed to cover their care. Has a search been undertaken in the probate (estate) records in Grand Forks county?
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mastokk2
Junior member
Norway
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Posted - 30/10/2017 : 13:36:20
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Hello jkmarler!
So sorry for the long delay!!
Martha was raised in this family: M Mal
County: Grand Forks
Town/City: Enumeration District 11
State/Territory: Dakota Territory, USA
Census Date: 1 Jun 1885
Age: 4
Birth Year: abt 1881
Birth Place: Nor
Gender: Female
Race: White
Marital Status: Single
Relation to Head of House: Adopted Daughter
Page: 77
LINE: 49
Household Members:
Name Age
S Olson 43
S Olson 42
Hane Olson 20
J Olson 17
S Olson 14
O.M Olson 10
M Mal 4
In the original you may see that it is written Moe, not Mal. The transcribed Census for Dakota territory have not copied this family at all. This one is found in Ancestry and it is from the Census 1885, as you probably understand :-)
Coroners files have no other information about the children than "were taken care of by friends/neighbours", the same written in the newspapers.
Yes, the orphaned children were (later) handled by the probate courts, but I guess this was to early, nothing found about them there either.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 30/10/2017 : 18:30:03
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The transcription at NDSU archives site has this for the 1885:
11-077-43Olson, S. 43 Farmer Norway Grand Forks
11-077-44 Olson, S. 42 Wife Norway Grand Forks
11-077-45 Olson, Ole 20 Son IA Grand Forks
11-077-46Olson, I. 17 Daughter IA Grand Forks
11-077-47Olson, S. 14 Daughter IA Grand Forks
11-077-48 Olson, O. M. 10 Son IA Grand Forks
11-077-49 Moe, M. 4 A. daughter Norway Grand Forks
I'm not sure I've looked for this before.
The published county commissioner minutes I've searched at genealogybank.com have some of the medical doctor and sheriff expenses mentioned for the Moe case but nothing specifically about the upkeep of the children. |
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mastokk2
Junior member
Norway
70 Posts |
Posted - 20/12/2017 : 11:08:12
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Thank so much again jkmarler!
And skues again for my very bad responding!!
You wrote something about genealogybank.com, can you please copy what is written?
I would like to know where they were burried, and what about an obituary, maybe no obit for them?
Is it possible to locate where they burried them?
Kinfd regards and thanks again!
Merry Christmas to all of you!
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/12/2017 : 19:32:08
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I've read through the papers many times but not seen anything like an obituary.
This is from Grand Forks Daily Herald, Monday, September 01, 1884Grand Forks, North Dakota Volume: 6 Issue: 104 Page: 1
which is an account of the capture of Knute Moe and the inquest over his wife's body:
"... The people who were watching the body, saw him come through the pasture opposite the branch, and had difficulty in capturing him. Soon after he was secured, the Sheriff came and the body of the woman and Moe were taken to Northwood where an inquest was held. Moe gave an account of the deed. He said he talked the killing over with his wife and they were to each kill the other. She refused, however, and stood up in front of him and he used a razor to cut her throat. The razor with blood on it was found on Moe. After he had killed her, he covered her among the willows, put the children to bed and raised the signal. The children did not recognize him on account of his disguise. The verdict was rendered accordingly, the citizens interred the remains of the deceased woman and took charge of the children..."
There is a cemetery just south of Northwood which has burials dating to the 1870s and 1880s, however the only Moe burials in that cemetery (as of 1976) with headstones are these: John Moe 1884-1939 and Olga Moe 1886-1968
In the 7 Oct 1884 issue of the same paper in the county proceedings under billed allowed:
"M.W. Scott Inquests Bodies of Mr and Mrs Moe $43.50"
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 30/09/2021 : 07:04:37
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Originally posted by jkmarler
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Originally posted by lyndal40
Andrew's mother or foster mother depending what is true is found in North Dakota living with her daughter Annie who had married a William Raabe.
Gyve Thompson
in the 1930 United States Federal Census
Name: Thompson
[Gyve Thompson]
Birth Year: abt 1852
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birthplace: Norway
Marital Status: Widowed
Relation to Head of House: Mother
Home in 1930: Grand Forks, Grand Forks, North Dakota
Map of Home: View Map
Street address: Demers Avenue
Ward of City: 3rd
House Number in Cities or Towns: 515 1/2
Dwelling Number: 54
Family Number: 188
Age at First Marriage: 24
Attended School: No
Able to Read and Write: Yes
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Language Spoken: Norwegian
Immigration Year: 1869
Naturalization: Naturalized
Able to Speak English: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Anna Raabe 40
James Raabe 21
Gyve Thompson 78
A marriage license for Anne Thompson and William Raabe to marry was issued in Grand Forks county on 27 Feb 1908. Here is their entry with marriage date from the pre-1925 marriage database:
County: Grand Forks
Groom: Raabe, William Bride: Thompson, Anna
Date License Issued: 3/2/1908 Certificate Number: 11-146
An Anna Raabe died in 1944 is buried in Memorial Park Cemetery in Grand Forks. In the ND public death index is this:
RAABE, ANNA 04/14/1944 Cass FEMALE 99NO ENTRY OR NOT STATED 99/99/9999 California Out of State
Her residence is California and she died in Cass county.
Here is the Fargo Forum Obituary index:
Last Name First Name Age City State Pub. Date Page Paper
Raabe Anna 1889 Oakland & Grand Forks CA & ND April 14, 1944 3 FF & DR
There is a new database of North Dakota death certificates at Ancestry. Anna Raabe's parents are listed as Harold Thompson and Goyve Myhrum. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 11/12/2022 : 23:01:12
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Originally posted by mastokk2
Thank you to all of you for your findings! :-)
jkmarler: very interesting that some of your ancestors lived in Lind twp! And you have never heard about an adopted child in your family? ;-)
I think that one of the reasons for not finding people in the Census (digitalized one), is that the writers did a very bad job!! If you look to the original Census you will find that many pg. are impossible to read. Martha Moe (the daughter in the middle) is registered as M Mal, even it is possible to read that there is written Moe in the original...
I am not sure that this Andrew are the correct one, but he is one of _all_ Andrew etc I have checked these 10 years :-P
Even there is written that this Andrew was born in ND, it might be the right one, Martha (or the one who gave info to the writer of the Census) was not sure were she was born. Acc to the Census 1900 she was born in June 1880, but arrived in 1878, born in Norway.
In Census 1910 she is married to Alonzo Calderwood, and called Mattie, there it is told that she was born in United States, parents birthplace unknown.
In Census 1920 (she died one year later) she is devorced from Alonzo, have to children, and are remarried to Louis Kaufman, and said to be born in ND, by Norwegian parents....
About the registration of the emigration from Norway, I have seen the same about these two Martha, but I think the reason would be found in the original, probably bad writing...
There is a "new" newspaper searching database which has many thousands of pages from newspapers at Minot. Here is the obit of Martha Kaufman:
https://ndarchives.advantage-preservation.com/viewer/?k=%22martha%20kaufman%22&i=f&d=01011800-12312021&m=between&ord=k1&fn=the_minot_daily_news_and_minot_daily_optic-reporter_usa_north_dakota_minot_19211205_english_8&df=1&dt=10&cid=3106
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Who raised two abandoned children? ND 1884
