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AntonH
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 Posted - 15/03/2016 : 23:01:25
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So using the best data I could find, here is a table of the childrens birth dates. Looking at the data, I think one could conclude that all of the children could be siblings.
Thomas Thompson March 1878
16 months
Charles Thompson July 10, 1879
19 months
Ola Thompson Jan 16, 1881
13 months
Andrew Thompson Feb 12, 1882
over 6 yrs
Annie Thompson Aug 4, 1888
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/03/2016 : 23:58:17
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Originally posted by lyndal40
Andrew's mother or foster mother depending what is true is found in North Dakota living with her daughter Annie who had married a William Raabe.
Gyve Thompson
in the 1930 United States Federal Census
Name: Thompson
[Gyve Thompson]
Birth Year: abt 1852
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birthplace: Norway
Marital Status: Widowed
Relation to Head of House: Mother
Home in 1930: Grand Forks, Grand Forks, North Dakota
Map of Home: View Map
Street address: Demers Avenue
Ward of City: 3rd
House Number in Cities or Towns: 515 1/2
Dwelling Number: 54
Family Number: 188
Age at First Marriage: 24
Attended School: No
Able to Read and Write: Yes
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Language Spoken: Norwegian
Immigration Year: 1869
Naturalization: Naturalized
Able to Speak English: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Anna Raabe 40
James Raabe 21
Gyve Thompson 78
A marriage license for Anne Thompson and William Raabe to marry was issued in Grand Forks county on 27 Feb 1908. Here is their entry with marriage date from the pre-1925 marriage database:
County: Grand Forks
Groom: Raabe, William Bride: Thompson, Anna
Date License Issued: 3/2/1908 Certificate Number: 11-146
An Anna Raabe died in 1944 is buried in Memorial Park Cemetery in Grand Forks. In the ND public death index is this:
RAABE, ANNA 04/14/1944 Cass FEMALE 99NO ENTRY OR NOT STATED 99/99/9999 California Out of State
Her residence is California and she died in Cass county.
Here is the Fargo Forum Obituary index:
Last Name First Name Age City State Pub. Date Page Paper
Raabe Anna 1889 Oakland & Grand Forks CA & ND April 14, 1944 3 FF & DR
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 16/03/2016 : 00:38:11
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quote:
Originally posted by lyndal40
Here is the rest of the family in the 1900 US Census when Andrew was living with the Marsden family.
Thomas H Thompson
in the 1900 United States Federal Census
Name: Thomas H Thompson
[Thomas Thompson]
Age: 22
Birth Date: Mar 1878
Birthplace: North Dakota
Home in 1900: Viding, Clay, Minnesota
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Betsy Thompson
Marriage Year: 1900
Years Married: 0
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's name: Julia Thompson
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas H Thompson 22
Betsy Thompson 20
Julia Thompson 48
Annie Thompson 10
Thomas H Thompson apparently moved to Grand Forks also. Here is his WWI draft registration:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-G1W3-3F5?mode=g&i=5734&wc=9FCQ-ZN5%3A928309901%2C928381701%3Fcc%3D1968530&cc=1968530
A few ripples on birthdate but likely Thomas above in findagrave:
http://findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=135620510&PIpi=125336303 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 16/03/2016 : 02:07:21
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Gyve is a rather unusual first name. There is only one Gyve in the 1865 Norwegian census born 1851:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01038171000133
Here is Gyve in FAG, incorrectly identified as a spouse of Thomas H. Thompson (whose birthdate is incorrectly read from the stone as occurring in 1870):
http://findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=thompson&GSfn=gyve&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSob=n&GRid=135620559&df=all&
Birthdate pretty close, 29 Aug 1851 #14
Source information: Aust-Agder county, Valle in Valle, Parish register copy nr. B 2 (1848-1870), Confirmation records 1867, page 66.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9872&idx_id=9872&uid=ny&idx_side=-69
#29
Source information: Aust-Agder county, Valle in Valle, Parish register copy nr. B 2 (1848-1870), Birth and baptism records 1852, page 12.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9872&idx_id=9872&uid=ny&idx_side=-13
Gyve and sibling and parents leaving for North America #2:
Source information: Aust-Agder county, Valle, Parish register (official) nr. A 8 (1868-1882), Migration records 1868-1871, page 261.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6176&idx_id=6176&uid=ny&idx_side=-209
Gyve Kethelsdatter Myhrum from Valle m Halvor Thorgrimson Klep from Bygland 26 July 1876 in Portland Dakota Terrifory in Bruflat Lutheran church.
Halvor Thorgrimson Klep #19
Source information: Aust-Agder county, Bygland, Parish register (official) nr. A 3 (1816-1841), Birth and baptism records 1838, page 155-156.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9424&idx_id=9424&uid=ny&idx_side=-79
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mastokk2
Junior member
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Posted - 16/03/2016 : 08:35:55
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WOW!!
Thank you so much!! I agree in that hey probably not "adopted" Andrew, another detail which can verify that, is that they had quite a lot of children already, when he needed a home...
Maybe the Andrew I am looking for died young, as a child... I have not been able to locate him in all of the Andrew I have checked!!!
jkmarler: we should have located Gyve and Halvors descendents, you have done a great job to locate their heritage!!! 
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 16/03/2016 : 11:41:33
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My selfish bit of interest involved whether or not Torger and Kari were the actual parents of Halvor and now its settled at least not this Halvor. But perhaps some of the children were baptized under Halvorson or Klep or even Thorgrimson.
I'd guess proof might be possible if there is some sort of legal proceeding announcing Andrew as having been adopted (in court or in the newspaper--that does happen) or unless the descendants carry a family story or the like would be the only way to see if he was right. |
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mastokk2
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Posted - 16/03/2016 : 13:06:39
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There is nothing in the court, that is checked, only written that "neighbours take care of the children".
Maybe newspapers, but these newspapers is not located yet, it have been checked too.
What I think is that there maybe would be written something in the "norwegian" newspapers in the area, but how can I find them 
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 16/03/2016 : 13:46:51
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Genealogybank.com a for pay service has the Grand Forks Herald from 1879-1922 in their holdings. The paper publishes county commissioner minutes and sometimes people receiving aid are named but a lot of times not. For instance the county doctor received about $43 dollars for inquests over Mr. and Mrs. Moe.
From the a story published about the actual inquests, Knute Moe testified at the inquest over his wife as he had been captured and as they, the Sheriff, a Dr. Rounsvel and Knute were leaving, Knute grabbed the Sheriff's gun and shot himself in the forehead.
The earlier incident reported as having occurred on 21 June/July 1884 should also have had some action reported, because as a result Knute Moe was declared insane. He later escaped (the same Sheriff as the one whose gun he grabbed) by jumping out of a window on the train as he was being transported to the lunatic asylum. The article said near Fergus Falls which is in Minnesota (but since he was a resident of DakotaTerritory I'd guess he was heading to the Territory's facility, wherever it was probably Yankton now in South Dakota). The murder of his wife occurred after his escape. In the reported testimony Knute had an explanation about "the couple" that the oldest child reported, saying that Knute disguised himself.
Other newspapers which may have carried the story would be the Larimore Pioneer and perhaps the Hope D.T. paper. These are on microfilm in the collection of the State Historical Society of North Dakota. In reading some of the published county commissioner proceedings there is a Norwegian language paper mentioned the Grand Forks Tidende, if copies exist they might be in the SHSND collection also. If you Google Chronicling America there are several North Dakota newspapers digitized there. For instance it found this letter published in the Minot paper from Alonzo Calderwood who served (as a 43 year old ) in France during WWI:
http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn88076421/1918-07-04/ed-1/seq-1/#date1=1836&index=0&rows=20&words=Alonzo+Calderwood&searchType=basic&sequence=0&state=North+Dakota&date2=1922&proxtext=alonzo+calderwood&y=12&x=16&dateFilterType=yearRange&page=1
The other thing is that there is a listing of all the digitized newspapers at the Chronicling site by state and a listing of all newspapers in US and where available state by state. It's a free site.
From Chronicling America the Norwegian language newspapers published in North Dakota which have copies / microfilm in existence. At the Chronicling America site you can click on the title to see who has the copies. The Grand Forks Tidende is not listed so apparently no copies exist. Also there are no titles with dates covering 1884:
1. Normanden og visergutten. (Fargo, N.D.) 1944-1945 | Languages: English, Norwegian
2. Normanden. (Grand Forks, N.D.) 1887-1944 | Languages: English, Norwegian
3. Dakota. (Fargo, N.D.) 1889-1897 | Languages: Norwegian
4. Den Fjerde juli. (Grand Forks, N.D.) 1889-1897 | Languages: Norwegian
5. Den Fjerde juli og Dakota. (Fargo, N.D.) 1897-1898 | Languages: Norwegian
6. Afholds-basunen. (Hillsboro, N.D.) 1887-1896 | Languages: Norwegian
7. Folkets avis. (Hillsboro, N.D.) 1899-1902 | Languages: Norwegian
8. Statstidende. (Hillsboro, N.D.) 1897-1910 | Languages: English, Norwegian
9. Normanden. (Fargo, N.D.) 1945-1954 | Languages: English, Norwegian
10. Fram. (Fargo, N.D. ;) 1898-1908 | Languages: Norwegian
11. Vesterheimen. (Mayville ;) 1895-1917 | Languages: Norwegian
12. The Abercrombie news. (Abercrombie, N.D.) 1909-1910 | Languages: English, Norwegian
13. Vesten. (Fargo, Dakota [N.D.], Moorhead, Minn.) 1888-1889 | Languages: Norwegian
14. Fargo Posten og Vesten. (Fargo, Dakota [N.D.], Moorhead, Minn.) 1889-1889 | Languages: Norwegian
15. The Times record. (Valley City, N.D.) 1887-1902 | Languages: English, Norwegian
16. Fargo posten. (Fargo, N.D. ;) 189?-1??? | Languages: Norwegian
17. Normanden. (Fargo, N.D.) 1918-1920 | Languages: Norwegian
18. Nordvesten. (Minot, N. Dak.) 1916-19?? | Languages: English, Norwegian
19. Fram og folkets blad. (Fargo, N.D. ;) 1908-1912 | Languages: Norwegian
20. Fram. (Fargo, N.D. ;) 1912-1918 | Languages: English, Norwegian
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jkmarler
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 17/03/2016 : 16:47:17
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Listed as age 21 on original document
Andrew Moe
in the U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church of America, Records, 1875-1940
Name: Andrew Moe
Event Type: Burial
Death Date: 23 Nov 1906
Burial Date: 25 Nov 1906
Church Name: First Lutheran
Church Location: Duluth, Minnesota |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 17/03/2016 : 16:49:39
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Maybe the same guy. Living in a boarding house. I have left off the long list of other residents. But I will post it if necessary.
Andrew Moe
in the Wisconsin, State Censuses, 1895 and 1905
Name: Andrew Moe
Census Date: 1 Jun 1905
Residence County: Douglas
Residence State: Wisconsin
Locality: Superior
Birth Location: Norway
Marital Status: Single
Gender: Male
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Race: White
Relation: Boarder
Line: 15
Roll: CSUSAWI1905_9
Probably not the same person as above. This may be ths same Superior Wisconsin guy in 1930 Cenus.
Andrew Moe
in the 1930 United States Federal Census
Name: Andrew Moe
Birth Year: abt 1880
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: Wisconsin
Marital Status: Single
Relation to Head of House: Roomer
Home in 1930: Superior, Douglas, Wisconsin |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 18/03/2016 : 02:42:03
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This is about the fight between Knute Moe and Nicholas Berg. Interesting that legal proceedings going on still two years after Knute's death. Since Knute and his wife are dead, the suits for damages may have been conducted on behalf of the children:
Grand Forks Daily Herald Tuesday 25 November 1884 pg 1
“District Court
…...............
Case of Territory vs Mons G. Molsness, Obadiah Berg, Nicholas H. Berg. Defendants arraigned pleaded not guilty and former conviction. Two cases. Bosard and Clifford for the defendants....”
Grand Forks Daily Herald Wednesday 1 December 1886 pg 1
“For Pounding Moe
Cases of Assault on Knud A. Moe, the Lunatic who killed His Wife and Himself....
...In Territory vs Molsness, et al the defendant not answering, his bond was forfeited.
Territory vs Nicholas Berg, appeal from a Larimore justice's court was taken up, Selby for territory, Bosard & Corliss for the defendant.
The following jury was obtained: W.A. Bruce, Levi Bancroft, T.W. Lane, John Santas, P. J. Hennessy, M.L. Adams, Wm. Little, H.V. Arnold, F.L. Davis, Holmes Wyman, Wm. Husk.
This is the same case a man named Knud Moe was engaged in a fistic contraversy with defendant and others, the particulars of which appeared at the same time. Knud Moe was the same person who, when arrested after killing his wife, seized the revolver of Sheriff Jenks near Arvilla and shot himself. The case was tried before the justice for the prosecution W.H. Fellows. The fracas occurred two years ago last June at a family picnic in the town of Lind, Moe insisting on fighting th whole picnic out of whisky and water. It happened near the residence or Rasmussen who testified for the territory and also one Lowe.
Mr Berg for himself testified to the facts as he remembered them, saying he lived in Steele. Mr. Lunis and Mrs Berg corroborated Mr. Berg fully in the particulars of the fight, showing Moe to have been the aggressor in the fracas. The position of the district attorney was that not all the circumstances d tailed constituted a justification. He discussed the evidence and the theories under it. Mr. Corliss summed up ably for the defense, excusing the act of Berg knocking down Moe, after all the provocations he had sustained. The court at noon excused the jury for an hour and after dinner charged them on the law.
Another case against Berg, and his brother and Molsness was taken up and a jury empaneled and the case tried. It is understood that damage suits are pending which may have something to do with the cases, since the death of Moe.”
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mastokk2
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Posted - 18/03/2016 : 12:05:11
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Thankyou! Yes, this _could_ be the right one, if we think about Martha/Mattie who not knew where she was born, or where her parents was born.... But how to locate more information about this guy?quote:
Originally posted by lyndal40
Maybe the same guy. Living in a boarding house. I have left off the long list of other residents. But I will post it if necessary.
Andrew Moe
in the Wisconsin, State Censuses, 1895 and 1905
Name: Andrew Moe
Census Date: 1 Jun 1905
Residence County: Douglas
Residence State: Wisconsin
Locality: Superior
Birth Location: Norway
Marital Status: Single
Gender: Male
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Race: White
Relation: Boarder
Line: 15
Roll: CSUSAWI1905_9
Probably not the same person as above. This may be ths same Superior Wisconsin guy in 1930 Cenus.
Andrew Moe
in the 1930 United States Federal Census
Name: Andrew Moe
Birth Year: abt 1880
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: Wisconsin
Marital Status: Single
Relation to Head of House: Roomer
Home in 1930: Superior, Douglas, Wisconsin
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mastokk2
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Posted - 18/03/2016 : 12:07:27
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Thank you very much jkmarler for all your work! But it is quite impossible for me reach this newspapers here in Norway.quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler
Genealogybank.com a for pay service has the Grand Forks Herald from 1879-1922 in their holdings. The paper publishes county commissioner minutes and sometimes people receiving aid are named but a lot of times not. For instance the county doctor received about $43 dollars for inquests over Mr. and Mrs. Moe.
From the a story published about the actual inquests, Knute Moe testified at the inquest over his wife as he had been captured and as they, the Sheriff, a Dr. Rounsvel and Knute were leaving, Knute grabbed the Sheriff's gun and shot himself in the forehead.
The earlier incident reported as having occurred on 21 June/July 1884 should also have had some action reported, because as a result Knute Moe was declared insane. He later escaped (the same Sheriff as the one whose gun he grabbed) by jumping out of a window on the train as he was being transported to the lunatic asylum. The article said near Fergus Falls which is in Minnesota (but since he was a resident of DakotaTerritory I'd guess he was heading to the Territory's facility, wherever it was probably Yankton now in South Dakota). The murder of his wife occurred after his escape. In the reported testimony Knute had an explanation about "the couple" that the oldest child reported, saying that Knute disguised himself.
Other newspapers which may have carried the story would be the Larimore Pioneer and perhaps the Hope D.T. paper. These are on microfilm in the collection of the State Historical Society of North Dakota. In reading some of the published county commissioner proceedings there is a Norwegian language paper mentioned the Grand Forks Tidende, if copies exist they might be in the SHSND collection also. If you Google Chronicling America there are several North Dakota newspapers digitized there. For instance it found this letter published in the Minot paper from Alonzo Calderwood who served (as a 43 year old ) in France during WWI:
http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn88076421/1918-07-04/ed-1/seq-1/#date1=1836&index=0&rows=20&words=Alonzo+Calderwood&searchType=basic&sequence=0&state=North+Dakota&date2=1922&proxtext=alonzo+calderwood&y=12&x=16&dateFilterType=yearRange&page=1
The other thing is that there is a listing of all the digitized newspapers at the Chronicling site by state and a listing of all newspapers in US and where available state by state. It's a free site.
From Chronicling America the Norwegian language newspapers published in North Dakota which have copies / microfilm in existence. At the Chronicling America site you can click on the title to see who has the copies. The Grand Forks Tidende is not listed so apparently no copies exist. Also there are no titles with dates covering 1884:
1. Normanden og visergutten. (Fargo, N.D.) 1944-1945 | Languages: English, Norwegian
2. Normanden. (Grand Forks, N.D.) 1887-1944 | Languages: English, Norwegian
3. Dakota. (Fargo, N.D.) 1889-1897 | Languages: Norwegian
4. Den Fjerde juli. (Grand Forks, N.D.) 1889-1897 | Languages: Norwegian
5. Den Fjerde juli og Dakota. (Fargo, N.D.) 1897-1898 | Languages: Norwegian
6. Afholds-basunen. (Hillsboro, N.D.) 1887-1896 | Languages: Norwegian
7. Folkets avis. (Hillsboro, N.D.) 1899-1902 | Languages: Norwegian
8. Statstidende. (Hillsboro, N.D.) 1897-1910 | Languages: English, Norwegian
9. Normanden. (Fargo, N.D.) 1945-1954 | Languages: English, Norwegian
10. Fram. (Fargo, N.D. ;) 1898-1908 | Languages: Norwegian
11. Vesterheimen. (Mayville ;) 1895-1917 | Languages: Norwegian
12. The Abercrombie news. (Abercrombie, N.D.) 1909-1910 | Languages: English, Norwegian
13. Vesten. (Fargo, Dakota [N.D.], Moorhead, Minn.) 1888-1889 | Languages: Norwegian
14. Fargo Posten og Vesten. (Fargo, Dakota [N.D.], Moorhead, Minn.) 1889-1889 | Languages: Norwegian
15. The Times record. (Valley City, N.D.) 1887-1902 | Languages: English, Norwegian
16. Fargo posten. (Fargo, N.D. ;) 189?-1??? | Languages: Norwegian
17. Normanden. (Fargo, N.D.) 1918-1920 | Languages: Norwegian
18. Nordvesten. (Minot, N. Dak.) 1916-19?? | Languages: English, Norwegian
19. Fram og folkets blad. (Fargo, N.D. ;) 1908-1912 | Languages: Norwegian
20. Fram. (Fargo, N.D. ;) 1912-1918 | Languages: English, Norwegian
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mastokk2
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Posted - 18/03/2016 : 12:10:16
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No, havent, I have checked all of them by name Andrew and with the birthdate Feb 16 1882 (found in the military registration in Ancestry), but so far with no luck.quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler
You probably have already vetted this one:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FD8D-14X
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Who raised two abandoned children? ND 1884
