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hanneliecramb
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 Posted - 11/04/2016 : 01:02:55
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I am trying to get any info regarding my grandfather Olaf Hansen.
He emigrated from Norway to South Africa.
I found a death certificate stating he died on 11 Aug 1941 also naming Hans Tygessen as his father and Bertha Halvorsdatter as his mother. It states he was 64 years and 6 months old when he died, which will make his birthday in 1877.
My father Sigurd Hansen was one of the children born out of Olaf Hansen second marriage.
Any info regarding his actual birthdate and possible contacts of family in Norway would be greatly appreciated. |
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JaneC
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Kåarto
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Posted - 11/04/2016 : 09:23:39
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A Family-tree for you.
The only info on your Olaf and his brother Halvor is that they were both "Til sjøs" seamen.
Sveinung and Tyke em. to America, Kari and Mari both settled down in Vegårdshei in Aust-Agder county, Gunhild stayed in Kviteseid and married Sveinung Thorsen.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 11/04/2016 13:15:37 |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 11/04/2016 : 18:33:15
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In 1865 there was only one Hans Tygesen in Norway, he was born ca 1830 in Bodø town in Northern Norway and was married to Dorthea Johannesdatter.
There was only one Hans Tykesen in Norway acc. to the 1865 census and he was married to Birgit "Berte" Halvorsdatter and had a son Olaf, the same persons mentioned above in Kviteseid municipality.
Olaf was a seaman, so I guess he was married outside Norway.
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jwiborg
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JaneC
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Posted - 12/04/2016 : 01:51:11
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Interesting!!
Hannelie, do you have any more information or more records?
Sveinung H Løvodden emigration
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/gen/vis/8/pe00000001040456
From Google search, a post by another person says he had a grandfather Olaf Hansen who was (maybe) a crewman on the King Cenric and survived when the ship wrecked in Mossel Bay, South Africa, in November 1903. The ship was Norwegian owned and had departed Fredrikstad with a cargo of timber. Perhaps if more records for Olaf can be found, including any crew lists or any in South Africa, his age might be listed differently than the death record. Marriage records from the UK that we've seen on Norway Heritage have listed groom's age and father's name and occupation.
https://www.sjohistorie.no/en/skip/16309/bilder
http://rapidttp.co.za/museum/research.html
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hanneliecramb
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Posted - 12/04/2016 : 16:33:40
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Thank you so much for the kindness and sharing all this information. I am overwhelmed at everybody helping.
The record keeping in South Africa was not very good, but I will keep on trying to get a marriage certificate or any other documents I can find.
If according to the records everybody have so far posted, it seems that the Hans Tykesen from the 1865 census, kindly posted by Kare, is quite possibly my great grandfather as he seems to be the only one there and married to the Berthe Halvorsdatter.
The problem and reason why I don't have any information is that Olaf Hansen passed away 1941, when my dad (Sigurd Hansen) was very small (3 years old as he was born in 1938). My dad, Sigurd was adopted and no information was kept from father or mother.
Thanks again, I am printing out all your info and trying to make sense of everything. |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 12/04/2016 : 17:39:35
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Here is Olafs sister Gunhild Hansdatter who married Sveinung Torson Skipar and stayed in Kviteseid on farm Skipar link
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Kåarto
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Posted - 12/04/2016 : 17:47:08
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Løvodden is located to a headland north in lake Horgefjorden in Vrådal, a sub parish in Kviteseid. There are several farms in that area that starts with Lauv/Løv, means Leaf in English and -odden means headland.
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jwiborg
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Posted - 12/04/2016 : 20:31:13
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Credit also to Jane who found the candidate.
King Cenric left Fredrikstad on July 13th 1903, and arrived in Mossel Bay on November 1st. En route to Mossel Bay, they rescued Capt. Lorentzen and the crew onboard Bark Veritas, who had shipwrecked in the Atlantic, outside the Cap Verde Islands, on August 30th. The Bark Veritas were en route Fredrikstad - South Africa with lumber. The crew where mainly from Trondheim, Norway.
King Cenric tok them to St. Vincent on the Cap Verde Islands, from where they would find a ship back home to Norway. The weather was good, so the detour took them only 2 extra days to go to St. Vincent.
The Bark King Cenric shipwrecked in Mossel Bay on November 14th 1903, while they were still unloading the cargo. The complete crew of 18 men plus Captain A. Paulsen were rescued. The captain had his wife and 1 y.o. child onboard.
Here is the crew of King Cenric, 1900. |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 12/04/2016 : 21:12:20
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A long shot, but family trees online mention that Olaf's sister Gunnhild Hansdotter Lauvodden d.y. (1874 - 1950) married Sveinung Torsson Skipar (1875-1914). The familyname Skipar is quite rare, and people of today by that name, especially if living in the local area of Kviteseid, could be related to Gunnhild.
Sveinung Torsson Skipar & Gunnhild Hansdotter Lauvodden
Here is Head of Unit / principal Skipar, living in Kviteseid.
Hannelie; maybe an email to the above mentioned Skipar (email address in link) could be in place, in order to establish if he is related to Olaf's sister?
If related, a simple DNA-test (male or female DNA) could be performed between your family and the norwegian family, in order to establish a family relation. |
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hanneliecramb
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Posted - 16/04/2016 : 11:23:54
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Thanks for all the information everyone. I am not sure how to reply to everyone individually to their post. According to JaneC info, which is great - thanks Jane. What I find confusing it that my Olaf Hansen must be the one mentioned in Kare (Kaarto) reply as the parents seem to be the same and also as Hans Tygesen was the only one at that time married to Berthe Halvorsdatter in the 1865 census. The date 11 February is definitely correct. It is the year 1873 that is confusing. I have not also contacted my father, Sigurd Hansen only living brother Gothard, and his sister Othelia and they have 11 Feb 1877 as the date. Please bear in mind Olaf Hansen passed away when they were both still under 10 years old, so all info we have is hear-say or passed on between relatives here in South Africa. I do however think that Olaf Hansen born 11 Feb 1873 must be the correct one.
I am also trying to get Olaf Hansen and Berthe Halvorsdatter marriage certificate to see if there is maybe any details on that. Unfortunately not all agencies and people are as helpful as you, JaneC, Kare and jwiborg and I am not sure how long I will wait to get more info.
I have not information other than Olaf Hansen last will and testament, this is where I found the birth parents names and as my father and his other siblings are on it, it must be him. As Ive mentioned it just reads he passed away aged 64 in 1941, and here is why I struggle with the 1873 vs 1877 birth date.
What I am going to do now as jwiborg suggested is contact the family head from Gunnhild Hansdotter Lauvodden - Skipar and see if they might have info and can confirm the brother/sister bond between Olaf Hansen and Gunnhild Hansdotter Skipar.
The names (son - son of and datter - daughter of) also confuse me as I am south African born and these all are a bit strange to me, but I am trying really hard.
I am not sure how to upload the will of Olaf Hansen so if one of you can shortly explain, I can upload that to the chat if it can help anything else in their search.
Regarding the list of people on King Cenric from jwiborg, Olaf Hansen is not listed as a crewmember - do you think I am following the wrong ship ? I did google and found the other Hansen JaneC mentioned who were enquiring about the crew on the King Cenric - he was called Bert Hansen. I did email the site but have not heard back yet.
Sorry for the long reply and as you can see I am clasping at strings here to try and match and find my relatives. |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 16/04/2016 : 22:59:21
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There is little doubt in my mind that we have found the right family.
I've seen a lot of protocols/records with poor almost illegible ink. A clerk could typos, there was no proof reading.
I understand you are struggling with 1873 vs 1877. age 68 vs 64. I guess the death certificate was handwritten. Some blurred ink, mistakes can arise, and the number 4 can easily be read as 8.
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hanneliecramb
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Posted - 16/04/2016 : 23:27:15
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Hi Kate
Thanks for the quick response. I am also very confident that we or shall I say all of you that helped me so far have found the correct Olaf. Especially due to the fact that it was the only Hand Tygesen in the area. I will contact the people who was given as possible family of Olaf HANSEN sister. I have also requested a South African agent to try and get marriage certificate. Do you perhaps know if I can get an official birth certificate through someone or an government facility in Norway for Olaf Hansen ? |
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hanneliecramb
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Posted - 16/04/2016 : 23:31:39
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| Sorry Kare I made a spelling error. I meant to say Kare and not Kate. Sorry for that. |
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JaneC
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Posted - 17/04/2016 : 04:52:42
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Originally posted by JaneC
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Birth-baptism record in Kviteseid, Telemark
11 February 1873
Olaf
parents Hans Thygesen and Birthe Halvorsdatter
See #41
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5976&idx_id=5976&uid=ny&idx_side=-120
1865 census in Kviteseid
Residence: Løvodden
Hans Tykesen
Birthe Halvorsdatter
and family
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01038145003863
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Hi again, just to make sure we are all "on the same page," let me state explicitly that Kåre and I are talking about the same Hans Tygesen family - the Hans in Kviteseid with wife Birthe Halvorsdatter. I posted the 1865 census for the family, and Kåre checked for other Hans Tygesens in 1865 - an important step, to rule out other possibilities.
I was blown away to read that your family members have Olaf's birth date as 11 February. That is striking, a strong indicator we have the right family.
You noticed Tygesen was also spelled Tykesen.In Scandinavia, a "g" and a "k" are often exchanged for each other. Reminds me of my friend Cindy, who changed her name spelling to Cyndi. It's easy for us to exchange "y" for "I."
Løvodden is also spelled Lauvidden. Same place.
About an official birth record, the church book record IS the official record.The church registered births, marriages, deaths, and more.
Bravo for extending your search in South Africa. Likely there's an earlier birth year in some record there.
Olaf's other descendants may have family stories that would shed light; it is definitely worthwhile to identify and contact them.
The crew list for the King Cenric as posted by Jan Peter was for the year 1900. Descendant Bert had a family story about his Olaf Hansen being on the King Cenric several years later.
You mentioned two marriages for Olaf. Are you inquiring after both?
As a long shot, it is remotely possible Halvor Hansen also settled in South Africa. If he can be found near Oaf, that would help to confirm Olaf's identity. |
Edited by - JaneC on 17/04/2016 06:11:59 |
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