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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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 Posted - 30/10/2016 : 18:29:46
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The man to the right in this picture is named Paul-Gerhard Scholz, and lives in Frekhaug, Hordaland, just north of Bergen.
With that firstname, lastname and location, I would be very surprised if he's not a grandson of Gunda! 
Paul-Gerhard is a local historian in the township, and has been an editor of local history books.
I think he could be your third cousin... you might contact him using the email-address found here. Possibly his son.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 30/10/2016 : 20:33:05
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A reference to the Koonawarra here. link
Spelled Konoowarra here. link |
Edited by - JaneC on 30/10/2016 20:40:44 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 30/10/2016 : 21:21:18
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Carl Hermansen became Carl Henning Beck by 1917. He lists his occupaton a Glassblower at the Corning Glass Works and his nearest relative as his daughter Ellen Beck, so I assume he is a widower at this time.
Carl Hening Beck
in the U.S., World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
Name: Carl Hening Beck
[Carl Hennig Beck]
County: Steuben
State: New York
Birth Date: 21 Sep 1880
Race: White
Draft Board: 1
Marries again and has son named Donald.
Carl H Beck
in the New York, State Census, 1925
Name: Carl H Beck
Birth Date: abt 1881
Birth Place: Sweden
Age: 44
Gender: Male
Residence Place: Corning, Steuben
Relationship: Head
Color or Race: White
Number of Years in US: 15
Assembly District: 01
House Number: 297
Line Number: 32
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
Carl H Beck 44
Martha A Beck 32
Ellen C Beck 19
Donald C Beck 03
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 30/10/2016 : 23:11:56
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Love the image of the SS Konoowarra (lithograph by J Sands, 1883)!
Another image, a watercolor, and description of the ship here
A newspaper announcement here, that the Konoowarra has departed, sailing for Melbourne, published 24 September 1885, in the Maryborough, Wide Bay, and Burnett Advertiser. link
John Olsen's naturalization record stated he arrived in Australia on this ship in 1885.
Handbook of W Howard Smith and Sons Intercolonial Steamers
on this link
A little more description of the ship here, in an accident report.
We've posted very little about Andrew Olsen in Australia; hope you are able to fill in more blanks about him. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 30/10/2016 : 23:48:18
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kayryan
Starting member
Australia
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Posted - 31/10/2016 : 01:11:26
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Thanks Jane for info on sending photos by tinypics.
Sorry photos are huge of Ole(L) & Andrew(R). Must resize next time.
And yes lyndal40 I'm a paid member of ancestry.com My tree is a public tree called
KAY MARTIN/RYAN TREE
The name of Rose Olsen I have on my tree is with no middle names. I'm not sure if the Rose HL Olsen is the same Rose that's Oles daughter. I did have her on my tree originally but think I found some of her details weren't correct with family members.
I never really had any information on what happened to Andrew once he arrived in Australia, re marriage or family. You have all filled in some of his history here for me though.
Another portrait of my Great Grandfather Ole (John) Olsen taken in Liverpool, NSW, Australia in June 1890, the same year he married Emily Wilcox.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 31/10/2016 : 01:24:17
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The Ancestry records for the Konoowarra for 1880 to 1890 for a Olsen have the Konoowarra traveling from Melbourne to Sydney.
This is the earliest record for a J or something resembling John Olsen and from Norway and a seaman Listed O.S. i.e. ordinary seaman. There are some other John Olsen named as passengers during this time frame but they are not identified by Nationality. Also none from 1885. And none named Ole.
J Olsen
in the New South Wales, Australia, Unassisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1826-1922
Name: J Olsen
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Age: 21
Port of Departure: Melbourne
Port of Arrival: Sydney, New South Wales
Voyage Arrival Date: 13 Feb 1882
Vessel Name: Konoowarra
Origin Location: Norwegian |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 31/10/2016 : 18:17:48
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Wikipedia has some interesting things about the Salvation Army ranks. It looks like John would have to have been in at least 5 years to be promoted to Captain:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Officer_(The_Salvation_Army) |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 31/10/2016 : 19:31:55
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quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler
From the descriptions I've seen and looking at their tight departures and arrivals within a year at the newspaper site, it doesn't seem to be a transoceanic ship, as in coming from Europe to Australia and forth and back.
I agree. The KONOOWARRA seems to have travelled between Melbourne and Sydney only.
In 1885, there were many cargoships who left Norway headed for Melbourne.
A possibility for Andrew Olsen (30), arriving on the IRVIN on 30 Sep 1885, from Antwerp to Sydney.
It doesn't fit with the Konoowarra though, and he should be 28... |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 31/10/2016 : 23:23:35
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quote:
Originally posted by jwiborg
quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler
From the descriptions I've seen and looking at their tight departures and arrivals within a year at the newspaper site, it doesn't seem to be a transoceanic ship, as in coming from Europe to Australia and forth and back.
I agree. The KONOOWARRA seems to have travelled between Melbourne and Sydney only.
In 1885, there were many cargoships who left Norway headed for Melbourne.
A possibility for Andrew Olsen (30), arriving on the IRVIN on 30 Sep 1885, from Antwerp to Sydney.
It doesn't fit with the Konoowarra though, and he should be 28...
According to his natuarlization records Andrew arrived on the Astral. John Olsen is the one on the Konoowarra, the regional ship. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 01/11/2016 : 13:26:48
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When John Olsen stated, in his naturalization papers, that he arrived in New South Wales on the Konoowarra, maybe he meant that was the last ship he worked on before settling down (leaving ship work?). Or maybe he took a transatlantic ship (as a passenger or crewman) to Melbourne and transferred to the Konoowarra to travel to Sydney?
He might be listed as Ole Olsen in any crew or passenger list coming to Australia.
Andrew stated, on his naturalization papers, that he arrived on the Austral in 1885, and Anton posted a good candidate for that trip. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 01/11/2016 : 15:59:51
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The closest is this Ole Olson born 1860 listed as an A.B. i.e. able bodied seaman. Birth year is a little off.
Ole Olson
in the New South Wales, Australia, Unassisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1826-1922
Name: Ole Olson
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Age: 25
Port of Departure: London
Port of Arrival: Sydney, New South Wales
Voyage Arrival Date: 22 May 1885
Vessel Name: Cheriot
Origin Location: Norway
If you expand the arrival date to 1883 plus/minus 2, you only add one more Ole.
Name: Ole Olsen
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Age: 22
Port of Departure: Hamburg
Port of Arrival: Sydney, New South Wales
Voyage Arrival Date: 18 Jan 1882
Vessel Name: Lovspring
Origin Location: Norway |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 01/11/2016 : 16:10:25
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There are several John Olsen arriving in 1885. And born about 1860. They may or may not be the same person. Arriving in Sydney
Arrival Ship Origin Location
2 Jun 1885 Macdiarmid Borgin
17 Nov 1885 Menmuir Norway
Hard to pick a John or an Ole as the correct person. And if you expand the date beyond 1885 the number of Johns becomes larger.
Using 1883 plus/minus 2 runs the number of John Olsen up to eight. |
Edited by - AntonH on 01/11/2016 16:21:22 |
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Seeking Information on GG Father Ole Olsen
