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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
 Posted - 13/02/2018 : 19:36:28
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Here is Constant and Gudrun's marriage:
Name
Gudrum Gulbrandsen
Event Type
Marriage
Event Date
1890
Event Place
Los Angeles, California, United States
Gender
Male
Age
20
Birth Year (Estimated)
1870
Spouse's Name
Constant Vieille
Spouse's Age
23
Spouse's Gender
Female
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated)
1867
Citing this Record
"California, County Marriages, 1850-1952," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XLW7-7J5 : 8 December 2017), Gudrum Gulbrandsen and Constant Vieille, 1890; citing Los Angeles, California, United States, county courthouses, California; FHL microfilm 1,033,140. |
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Kaiser
Junior member
Norway
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Posted - 13/02/2018 : 19:37:41
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Gudrun Sofies father was Jonas Gustav Gulbrandsen, born in Oslo in 1842 and died in Trondheim, Norway on July 4th 1901. As I can recall the dentist Albert C Vielle had been seeking his roots in Norway and been in touch with Sverre Gulbrandsens father Sverre Gustav Gulbrandsen 1880-1963. Albert also visited Norway in this connection, Albert's letter was a sort of summary of his experiences seeking his roots. I've a scanned copy of the letter if someone is interested and tells me how and where to send it.
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Kaiser
Junior member
Norway
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Posted - 13/02/2018 : 19:50:02
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| You ask about my interest for Gudrun Sofie. She is my second great aunt. My family name is also Gulbrandsen |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 13/02/2018 : 19:55:02
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Well, I work like an aggressive octopus. Slap on the tentacles and start probing with the itty bitty ends of the tentacles until I find the thing that cracks the shell open. I got nowhere with the name Vielle or Gudrun but the piece of information that worked for me was the wife's name of Gutterson. Sometimes things go better sideways than straight forward.
I can't say that it would have happened sooner if you had shared the source when I asked but it probably would have. As it is I'm wondering if you have the envelope with a postmark on it. Curiosity never stops.
So now I wonder where Albert was in the 1900 census?
JUDGE ALLEN INDIGNANT Collusion in a Divorce Case Sternly Reprimanded
"Mrs. Gudrum Vieiile has been suing her husband, Constant Vieiile, for divorce. How she came to do it is another story and this' was told in court yesterday in such a manner as aroused the just indignation of Judgc Allen. On January 19th the complaint first filed by Mrs. Vieiile was heard by Judge York, and evidence of actual desertion being faulty, the cause was dismissed without prejudice. A new complaint was filed shortly thereafter, alleging in addition to desertion failure to provide and drunkenness. In both suits W. P. Hyatt acted as attorney for Mrs. Vieiile. Yesterday he came into court with his client to press a motion for alimony. It was ascertained that Hyatt was first retained, as counsel by the husband, who was quite as anxious as his wife to secure the dissolution of the bonds assumed on June 18, 1890. For some reason that action was abandoned and Hyatt went to Mrs. Vieilie and induced her to institute a suit against h«r husband, telling her, as she swore yesterday, that he would get a decree for $3 and that the expenses should not be burdensiome. The inference was that her husband would foot the bilis and had sent his lawyer to negotiate with his wife with respect to the suit. Judge Allen yesterday spoke with much severity of Hyatt's attempt to impose upon the court. Though representing the woman in the case, he held that Hyatt had never been employed by her and that the evidence of collusion was too plain for denial. "You were the attorney for her husband," said Judge Allen, "and yet you went to her to get her to apply for a divorce. What the object was is not plain, but probably you knew that her husband could not get a decree and so thought you would induce her to commence an action herself. "I tell you right now that neither one will get a divorce in this court. As the child is at the Sisters' home, I will issue an order that the father pay on the first day of each month $10 to the managers of that institution for the support of the child. The cause will remain in this court, that proof may be had that the order herein made is observed in good faith."
Los Angeles Herald, Number 147, 14 February 1899
These California news articles are searchable / viewable at https://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc
So Albert is in an institution in 1899....but probably elsewhere by 1900 |
Edited by - jkmarler on 14/02/2018 05:54:07 |
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Kaiser
Junior member
Norway
39 Posts |
Posted - 13/02/2018 : 20:02:01
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| No. no envelope from Albert but I wouldn't be surprised if the receiver Sverre Gulbrandsen has the wanted envelope. I'll ask him and pass on the information to you. But as I can recall the family has resided in Carmel, CA so it wouldn't surprise me if the letter was sent from this area. |
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Kaiser
Junior member
Norway
39 Posts |
Posted - 13/02/2018 : 20:19:41
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| When Albert C Vieille sent his letter to Sverre Gulbrandsen there is a stamp with his address at the bottom; 3499-211 Bahia Blanca W. Laguna Hills, CA 92653. I really apreciate your patience and kindness helping me to solve my unanswered questions. Overseas searches are difficult when not having paid for a Familysearch membership.Thank you very much! |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 13/02/2018 : 20:23:01
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Here is Albert most likely although he is listed as a she:
Name:
Vicille A Vieille
Event Type:
Census
Event Year:
1900
Event Place:
Precinct 64 Los Angeles city Ward 9, Los Angeles, California, United States
Gender:
Female
Age:
9
Marital Status:
Single
Race:
White
Race (Original):
W
Relationship to Head of Household:
Boarder
Relationship to Head of Household (Original):
Boarder
Birth Date:
Sep 1891
Birthplace:
California
Father's Birthplace:
France
Mother's Birthplace:
Norway
Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
Ellen M Bell Head Female 38 Illinois
Clyde C Bell Son Male 18 Illinois
Vicille A Vieille Boarder Female 9 California
"United States Census, 1900," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9PV-R6G : accessed 13 February 2018), Vicille A Vieille in household of Ellen M Bell, Precinct 64 Los Angeles city Ward 9, Los Angeles, California, United States; citing enumeration district (ED) 86, sheet 10A, family 225,
NARA microfilm publication T623 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1972.); FHL microfilm
1,240,090.
Address:
Street:
Kearney Street
House Number:
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Edited by - jkmarler on 13/02/2018 21:51:10 |
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Kaiser
Junior member
Norway
39 Posts |
Posted - 13/02/2018 : 20:41:50
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This is getting more and more interesting and it takes time for me to comment all but you're wondering where Albert went quoting "So now I wonder where Albert was in the 1900 census?"
The statement form the court says "As the child is at the Sisters' home". Gudrun Sofie also had a sister in America, Bergljot Petrovna Jacobsen born Gulbrandsen, married to Jacob Christian Jacobsen. This was probably one of the many fosterhomes Albert ended up in. At the emigration card here in Norway which link you sent me says the ticket for Gudrun Sofie was prepaid from America and I presume Bergljot Petrovna did that.
Speaking of Bergljot Petrovna Jacobsen. She had 3 children. 2 daughters, Sofie Caroline and Viola Signe wich both married with the Arneman bros. For the brother Otto Simon Jacobsen 1893-1964 I've no information whatsoever. Can I please ask you to run a search for him too? Just to look for a wife and children?
An other sister Freda Petra Rønne (Ronne) Gulbrandsen/Guldbrandsen is not accounted for and did she also emigrate to America? Is it possible for me to please ask for a search here too?
An other
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
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Kaiser
Junior member
Norway
39 Posts |
Posted - 13/02/2018 : 20:46:15
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| Unfortunately I can't open anything from Familysearch here but for Robert there is a lot of information online due to his position as a war veteran. He was married to Elle Vieille born Bushnell but they had no children I think |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 13/02/2018 : 20:50:44
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| We've heard before that some in Norway can't open familysearch. They have a new procedure that requires you to be registered. Simple process and FREE. You have to be registered and signed in to use the site. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 13/02/2018 : 20:53:18
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Originally posted by Kaiser
When Albert C Vieille sent his letter to Sverre Gulbrandsen there is a stamp with his address at the bottom; 3499-211 Bahia Blanca W. Laguna Hills, CA 92653. I really apreciate your patience and kindness helping me to solve my unanswered questions. Overseas searches are difficult when not having paid for a Familysearch membership.Thank you very much!
What picture is on the stamp? Because of the zipcode the letter is after 1964. |
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Kaiser
Junior member
Norway
39 Posts |
Posted - 13/02/2018 : 20:55:43
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I still don't have the envelope which I'll ask Sverre Gulbrandsen about tomorrow. It's 02.55 am here in Thailand now so nature forces me to bed in this moment
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 13/02/2018 : 20:58:47
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Berglot Jacobson
United States Census, 1900
Name
Berglot Jacobson
Event Type
Census
Event Year
1900
Event Place
Precinct 3 Jefferson Township Chicago city Ward 27, Cook, Illinois, United States
Gender
Female
Age
31
Marital Status
Married
Race
White
Race (Original)
W
Relationship to Head of Household
Wife
Relationship to Head of Household (Original)
wife
Number of Living Children
3
Years Married
11
Birth Date
Jun 1869
Birthplace
Norway
Marriage Year (Estimated)
1889
Immigration Year
1888
Father's Birthplace
Norway
Mother's Birthplace
Norway
Mother of how many children
3
Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
Jacob Jacobson Head M 37 Denmark
Berglot Jacobson Wife F 31 Norway
Sophia Jacobson Daughter F 10 Illinois
Otto Jacobson Son M 8 Illinois
Viola Jacobson Daughter F 7 Illinois
Citing this Record
"United States Census, 1900," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MSQV-SFY : accessed 13 February 2018), Berglot Jacobson in household of Jacob Jacobson, Precinct 3 Jefferson Township Chicago city Ward 27, Cook, Illinois, United States; citing enumeration district (ED) 820, sheet 11A, family 159, NARA microfilm publication T623 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1972.); FHL microfilm 1,240,278.
Name
Bergliot Petrovna Jacobsen
Event Type
Death
Event Date
07 May 1958
Event Place
Chicago, Cook, Illinois, United States
Address
4927 N Rockwell Street
Residence Place
4927 N Rockwell Street
Gender
Female
Age
89
Marital Status
Widowed
Race
White
Occupation
Housewife
Birth Date
25 Jun 1968
Birthplace
, , Norway
Funeral Home
Krauspe Funeral Home
Burial Date
10 May 1958
Burial Place
Chicago, , Illinois
Cemetery
Acacia Park
Father's Name
Jonas Gulbrandsen
Mother's Name
Sophie Ronne
Informant's Name
Hayden
Entry Number
32622
Citing this Record
"Illinois, Cook County Deaths, 1878-1994," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVRN-92LQ : 10 February 2018), Bergliot Petrovna Jacobsen, 07 May 1958; citing Chicago, Cook, Illinois, United States, source reference , record number , Cook County Courthouse, Chicago; FHL microfilm . |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 13/02/2018 : 21:06:28
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Name
Otto S Jacobsen
Event Type Birth
Event Date 13 May 1892
Event Place Chicago, Cook, Illinois, United States
Registration Date 30 Apr 1942
Registration Place , Cook, Illinois
Gender Male
Father's Name Jacob C Jacobsen
Father's Birthplace Hjorring Denmark
Father's Age 29
Father's Estimated Birth Year 1863
Mother's Name Bergliot P Guldbrandsen
Mother's Birthplace Trondheim Norway
Mother's Age 24
Mother's Estimated Birth Year 1868
Certificate Number 147318
Citing this Record
"Illinois, Cook County, Birth Certificates, 1871-1940," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q23M-NGZS : 18 May 2016), Otto S Jacobsen, 13 May 1892; Chicago, Cook, Illinois, United States, reference/certificate 147318, Cook County Clerk, Cook County Courthouse, Chicago; FHL microfilm .
Name
Otto Simon Jacobsen
Event Type
Draft Registration
Event Date
1917-1918
Event Place
Chicago City no 59, Illinois, United States
Gender
Male
Nationality
United States
Birth Date
13 May 1892
Birthplace
Chicago, Illinois, United States
Citing this Record
"United States World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K6DF-MVM : 12 December 2014), Otto Simon Jacobsen, 1917-1918; citing Chicago City no 59, Illinois, United States, NARA microfilm publication M1509 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.); FHL microfilm 1,613,662.
In the "Old man" draft in 1942
Name
Otto S Jacobsen
Event Type
Draft Registration
Event Date
1942
Event Place
, Cook, Illinois, United States
Residence Place
, Cook, Illinois
Gender
Male
Employer
Otto S/Jacobsen
Birth Date
13 May 1892
Citing this Record
"United States World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V1VJ-5B1 : 7 April 2016), Otto S Jacobsen, 1942; citing NARA microfilm publication M1936, M1937, M1939, M1951, M1962, M1964, M1986, M2090, and M2097 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.).
Otto Jacobsen
United States Social Security Death Index
Age
72
Given Name
Otto
Surname
Jacobsen
Birth Date
13 May 1892
State
Illinois
Event Date
Nov 1964
Citing this Record
"United States Social Security Death Index," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JYJW-52J : 19 May 2014), Otto Jacobsen, Nov 1964; citing U.S. Social Security Administration, Death Master File, database (Alexandria, Virginia: National Technical Information Service, ongoing).
Otto S Jacobsen
Florida Death Index
Affiliate CD Number
FDI05
Certificate Number
51466
Volume Number
2639
Name
Otto S Jacobsen
Event Type
Death
Event Date
Nov 1964
Event Place
Pasco, Florida, United States
Gender
Male
Race
White
Affiliate File Name
Fdi05.txt
Affiliate Line Number
195853
Citing this Record
"Florida Death Index, 1877-1998," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VVXD-J21 : 25 December 2014), Otto S Jacobsen, Nov 1964; from "Florida Death Index, 1877-1998," index, Ancestry (www.ancestry.com : 2004); citing vol. 2639, certificate number 51466, Florida Department of Health, Office of Vital Records, Jacksonville.
Otto S. Jacobsen
mentioned in the record of Otto S. Jacobsen and Myrtle V. Johnson
Name
Otto S. Jacobsen
Age
27
Birth Year (Estimated)
1893
Birth Date
1893
Spouse's Name
Myrtle V. Johnson
Spouse's Age
25
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated)
1895
Spouse's Birth Date
1895
License Type
Marriage
Event Date
28 Apr 1920
Event Place
Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Citing this Record
"Illinois, Cook County Marriages, 1871-1920," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N78X-6MG : 26 December 2014), Otto S. Jacobsen and Myrtle V. Johnson, 28 Apr 1920; citing Chicago, Cook, Illinois, 863031, Cook County Courthouse, Chicago; FHL microfilm 1,030,724.
1930 US federal census
Otto S Jacobson Head M 37 Illinois
Myrtle V Jacobson Wife F 35 Illinois
Hannah M Johnson Mother-in-law F 65 Sweden
Citing this Record
"United States Census, 1930," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XS5R-J5Z : accessed 13 February 2018), Otto S Jacobson, Chicago (Districts 1751-1976), Cook, Illinois, United States; citing enumeration district (ED) ED 1962, sheet 4A, line 17, family 75, NARA microfilm publication T626 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 2002), roll 496; FHL microfilm 2,340,231.
1940 Census:
Otto S Jacobsen Head M 48 Illinois
Myrtle Jacobsen Wife F 46 Illinois
Citing this Record
"United States Census, 1940," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K4MB-P1N : accessed 13 February 2018), Otto S Jacobsen, Ward 47, Chicago, Chicago City, Cook, Illinois, United States; citing enumeration district (ED) 103-3029, sheet 5A, line 4, family 94, Sixteenth Census of the United States, 1940, NARA digital publication T627. Records of the Bureau of the Census, 1790 - 2007, RG 29. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 2012, roll 1016.
Otto in a nutshell!
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The Gulbrandsen's in USA
