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EliseBenson
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Germany
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 Posted - 17/04/2018 : 22:51:21
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Hello. I'm rather new to genealogy, and am searching for my great-grandmother, Susanah (or Susan) Hanson. She immigrated from Hammerfest with her family circa 1872, when she was ~12. I'm trying to find where Susanah crossed, but given the complex nature of Norwegian names at the time, and the fact that I have no idea what her parents' names might have been (other than possibly Hans?). I am coming up with so many possibilities that I feel stuck. I'd really appreciate it if someone more skilled could give me a direction- even suggest a strategy for searching the database here & knowing if/when I've found something useful. She is, so far, my most mysterious ancestor.
The story is that after coming to America, Susanah became ill, and when she recovered, she found that her family had left her with an uncle (?), presumably to return to Norway. She worked as a servant until marrying my great-grandfather, Erastus St. John, in Minnesota, in 1877. My mother once asked her father if his mother ever taught him any Norwegian, and he replied that she didn't speak Norwegian. Mom always thought this was odd, but he died before she thought to ask for clarification. Now Mom wonders if Susanah wasn't Sami? The Sami were being persecuted around that time, as I understand it, and many fled. There is a strong family resemblance with some pictures we've found- one looks exactly like my brother! Not great evidence, but... it's all we have. I don't know if that possibility would change the search strategy, but there it is.
Also, I'm an expat, living in Germany- so there is a possibility I might be able to take a trip to Hammerfest. I'd really love to know more about my ancestors before I do!
Thanks so much in advance for any help anyone can lend.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 18/04/2018 : 00:19:52
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A starting point for many searches starts at home. So for your Susanah it is probably in Minnesota. Here is a start.
Susan Hanson
in the Minnesota, Marriages Index, 1849-1950
Name: Susan Hanson
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 14 Nov 1877
Marriage Place: Fillmore, Minnesota
Spouse's Name: Erastus Saint John
Spouse Gender: Male
FHL Film Number: 1316805
In the 1900 Census her birth date is given as June 1860 and immigration year 1872.
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Edited by - AntonH on 18/04/2018 00:25:37 |
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EliseBenson
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Germany
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Posted - 18/04/2018 : 00:52:32
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| Thank you, lyndal40, for the tip! I have the birth information, and a bunch of census data, but none of it gives me any clues about her origins. I do have a picture of her brother, Isaac Hanson, which was taken in 1905, in Salangsvertket (Salangen) Norway. I don't even know if he crossed with her or not, though. If so, he must have returned (obviously). I started searching around the area in Minnesota for other Hansons, even. The problem is that there are too many Norwegians living in the area at the time, and there is really no way to know which one would have been my ancestor, since her parents names are not known. |
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EliseBenson
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Germany
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Posted - 18/04/2018 : 01:01:47
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lyndal40:
Wow! How'd you find that? It COULD be my ancestor! I was about to go to bed (it's late here), but now I want to find this record! :) THANK YOU! |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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EliseBenson
Starting member
Germany
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Posted - 18/04/2018 : 01:16:23
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| Oh, but that's 2 years before she's supposed to be in the States. The 1900 Census reports that she immigrated in 1872. I know it could be off- but it does cast doubt. :/ |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 18/04/2018 : 01:29:06
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She migrated in 1872 she should be in the 1865 census! In Norway!!
#43 Susanne Henrikke Hansdatter's baptism
SATØ, Hammerfest sokneprestembete, Parish register (official) no. 5, 1857-1869, p. 32
Quick link: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20050304020652
Her birthdate doesn't match the US records but this is the only Susan Hansdatter born in Hammerfest in 1858-1861.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 18/04/2018 : 01:30:16
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Nice find Jackie, Here is a Kristoffer Lund leaving Norway in 1872
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I think Elise is referring to my post on the Hansen family from the 1870 Census. I think you are right Elise, I think my post from the family tree on ancestry.com is incorrect. I will put a strike through that post and at some point delete it to avoid confusion.
Here she is with the Lund family, she is using the Lund last name in the emigration record. Destination is Rushford , Mn ie Fillmore County.
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Here is a look at the whole family in the webmeta data base.
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Edited by - AntonH on 18/04/2018 21:21:21 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 18/04/2018 : 01:59:10
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Here is the family in the 1885 Minnesota Census. Minus Susan of course since she married in 1877.
C B Lund
in the Minnesota, Territorial and State Censuses, 1849-1905
Name: C B Lund
Age: 74
Census Date: 1 May 1885
County: Fillmore
Locality: Rushford
Birth Location: Norway
Gender: Male
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Race: White
LINE: 23
Roll: MNSC_25
1885
Right hand page about the middle, a large list of Lunds
The first one in the list is the son Christoffer Lund followed by his wife and five children and last is the father also Christoffer Lund. His wife Anna Malene must be deceased by then.
Name: C Lund
Age: 35
Census Date: 1 May 1885
County: Fillmore
Locality: Rushford
Birth Location: Norway
Gender: Male
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Race: White
LINE: 16
Roll: MNSC_25 |
Edited by - AntonH on 18/04/2018 02:39:55 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 18/04/2018 : 02:09:13
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The arrival of the Lund family including Susan age 12 into New York in 1872. She is number 232 in the original manifest. You can ignore the Nationality designation of Swedish. At that time Norway was not yet an idependantt country.
Christopher Lund
in the New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Christopher Lund
Arrival date: 5 Aug 1872
Birth Date: abt 1813
Age: 59
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Swedish
Place of Origin: Sweden
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Egypt
Original Manifest
Her record
Name: Susanna Lund
Arrival date: 5 Aug 1872
Birth Date: abt 1860
Age: 12
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Swedish
Place of Origin: Sweden
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Egypt |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 18/04/2018 : 02:57:27
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Ane Malene Eilertsdatter Lund was baptized Feb 24, 1824. Her father was Eilert Esaiassen and her mother was Elsen Hansdatter
Link
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Father to Susan is Hans Peter Eiletsen.
Hans Peter was baptized July 12, 1821, His father was Eilert Elisassen and his mother was Else Hansdatter
Here is his confirmation record.
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The parents are the same with allowance for Norwegian spelling variations. |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 18/04/2018 : 10:42:58
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Hans Peder Eilertsen and Olava Andrea Olsdatter were married Oct 14 1849, #25.
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 18/04/2018 : 14:06:52
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Olava Andrea was an "uægte" child, born Sept 1 1830, #32.
Her father was a married man Ole Jørgen Olsen and the mother was Susanne Jensdatter.
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EliseBenson
Starting member
Germany
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Posted - 18/04/2018 : 15:29:51
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quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler
In the picture of the brother, what age does he look to be?
Here is a possible in the 1865 Norwegian census:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038407000454
The brother looks to be about middle aged ish? Not old, particularly, but definitely an adult. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 18/04/2018 : 16:08:57
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In the two Norwegian censuses 1900 and 1910, it appears that the brother and his wife have no children of their own. But in truth, between 1875 and 1900 is enough time for them to have had children, who've grown and flown.
Not sure if the links provided will work at this moment as I was just ther and got a message that the site was down for maintenance. |
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