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Audlin
Starting member
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 Posted - 27/08/2018 : 03:40:58
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| There was a recent post concerning my father giving a photo of Alfred Martin Telstad and a separate photo of Alma Gunarda Telstad, sister. I am a bit confused as to why the surname is Telstad not Olsen. Does this mean Elias Olsen should have been Elias Telstad and maybe he changed his name? Or is Telstad a name added to Olsen denoting an area of Norway? |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 27/08/2018 : 04:18:31
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Telstad is what is called a farm name. At some point in time the family was associated with the farm of Telstad. Here is an article on subject Norwegian Farm Names
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Edited by - AntonH on 27/08/2018 04:19:06 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 27/08/2018 : 04:26:42
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Telstad is likely what is called a "farm name." The classic Norwegian name consists of 3 parts, the first name which is given you at your baptism, the patronymic which is based on your father's given name and with either son or datter added to it depending on your gender. The third name is the farm name like Telstad which you append to your name for as long as you live at that place. But of course such customs can be broken and in 1923 Norway passed a law requiring people to pick a surname and stick with it.
But in your other topic the forumites found some issues with your original suppositions about which Elias Olsen was your father. Do you have any information about your father from Canadian records which you could share that might resolve issues? |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 27/08/2018 : 09:47:42
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His father was Ole Kristian Martines Langnes.
Alfed could lived as Alfred Martin Olsen but used Telstad.
Telstad is a farm in Svolvær |
Edited by - Kåarto on 27/08/2018 09:52:06 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 27/08/2018 : 10:30:26
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Hi Audlin, the name "Telstad" has nothing to do with your father. Your other thread on "your" Elias became long and confusing. Maybe a recap can help.
In your other thread, you began by asking the forum to research Elias Olsen born 02 July 1899 in Vagan. You gave the names of that boy's birth family.
Therefore the forum DID investigate that Elias. It was found that he grew up, lived in Norway, used the name "Telstad" instead of Olsen, had a brother named Alfred Martin Telstad and a sister Alma Telstad. He married twice, in Norway (1940 and 1951), and died in Norway 10.3.1963. He is buried at Baldersheim gravplass in Hordaland.
That's not your father.
Your father used the name Olsen and died in Canada.
The search for your father was hampered by a lack of correct information about him.
lyndal40 found an online family tree by your daughter-in-law that includes a grave memorial for Elias "Bill" Olsen. Here is the memorial information provided by Holly in the online tree:
Canadian Headstone Index
Elias Olsen
Cemetery: Les Jardins Commémoratifs Lakeview Memorial Gardens (Pointe-Claire)
Burial Place: Montréal, Québec, Canada
Notes: Elias (Bill) Olsen May 28, 1900 - Mar. 9, 1952
Is that your dad? Is the birth date correct?
A 1924 passenger record was investigated at length, and that passenger wasn't your dad either.
In sum, the other thread has LOTS of information that is not about your father, but hardly any information that IS about him.
The forum wants to help. It's great that you are checking back in, and if an expanded account of your Elias is possible, that would be welcome. |
Edited by - JaneC on 28/08/2018 02:59:38 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 27/08/2018 : 13:50:26
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Some search ideas ...
The newest Canada census available is 1921. However, FamilySearch website says this:
"Personal information from later censuses is not available, but some information on deceased persons is available from the National Registration of 1940. Write for application form to:
Census Operations Division
Statistics Canada
Ottawa, ON K1A 0T6
Canada"
Other records to seek:
Elias first marriage
Second marriage (if any)
Work permit / temporary residency card (if any)
Application for Canadian citizenship
Property ownership records (if any)
Death record
Obituary
Cemetery info (who owned the lot, who purchased the headstone)
Personal memorabilia: postcards, Christmas cards, letters, photos, etc.
Let's hope it's possible to learn more about Elias.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 27/08/2018 : 14:43:27
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The Montreal Gazette newspaper is still available online in the Google News Archive. The site is a bit quirky these days, searches for newspaper mentions prior to 1970 will produce no results, so you have to browse, issue by issue, page by page. Perhaps you will snag a news article about the crash death of Elias Olson on 9 March 1952 and also find an obituary with more biographical information. Good Luck!
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https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=Fr8DH2VBP9sC&dat=19860107&b_mode=2&hl=en |
Edited by - jkmarler on 27/08/2018 14:49:40 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 27/08/2018 : 17:49:06
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quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler
The Montreal Gazette newspaper is still available online in the Google News Archive. The site is a bit quirky these days, searches for newspaper mentions prior to 1970 will produce no results, so you have to browse, issue by issue, page by page. Perhaps you will snag a news article about the crash death of Elias Olson on 9 March 1952 and also find an obituary with more biographical information. Good Luck!
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https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=Fr8DH2VBP9sC&dat=19860107&b_mode=2&hl=en
Great tip,Jackie! 
The Montreal Gazette - Mar 10, 1952, page 17:
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Edited by - jwiborg on 27/08/2018 19:42:25 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 27/08/2018 : 19:16:53
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Audrey; please disregard the photos of Alfred Martin Telstad and Alma Gunarda Telstad given to you in a previous post. Alfred and Alma are not related to YOUR Elias Olsen. Elias Olsen is a common name in Norway, and although Alfred and Alma had a brother named Elias Olsen, this Elias did NOT emigrate. He died in Norway.
The reason for this confusion was incomplete and inadequate information to begin with. I'm sorry for this confusion.
To pinpoint YOUR Elias Olsen in Norway, we need to collect more info from American sources, like census'es, naturalisation, imigration etc. Maybe one of the records contain his d.o.b.?
And finally, the Elias Olsen on the Carmania passenger list from April 1924 CAN'T be your father. Excellent research on this Forum has proven that this Elias Olsen died in 1958 in New Bedford, Massachusetts.
So when did YOUR Elias immigrate...? |
Edited by - jwiborg on 27/08/2018 21:24:58 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 27/08/2018 : 19:22:50
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A great find, jwiborg! But of course, a very sad day. Did the accident happen 09 March 1952?
Also, thanks jwiborg for reiterating my message about the confusion in the earlier thread. That helps. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 27/08/2018 : 19:34:56
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Originally posted by JaneC
A great find, jwiborg! But of course, a very sad day. Did the accident 09 March 1952?
Also, thanks jwiborg for reiterating my message about the confusion in the earlier thread. That helps.
Yes, the article is from The Montreal Gazette - Mar 10, 1952, page 17.
It says "10 o'clock last night ", thus 09 March 1952 10pm.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 27/08/2018 : 19:36:56
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 27/08/2018 : 20:56:22
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According to this previous finding by Anton, our Elias is born 28 May 1900. I would reckon May 28th is the correct date, but year could be +- one or two. The newspaper article from 1952 says he was 55, ie born ab. 1897.
Canadian Headstone Index, 1840-2017
Name: Elias Olsen
Cemetery: Les Jardins Commémoratifs Lakeview Memorial Gardens (Pointe-Claire)
Burial Place: Montréal, Québec, Canada
Notes: Elias (Bill) Olsen May 28, 1900 - Mar. 9, 1952
Do we have any candidates for Elias at current?
A couple of candidates born May 28th have been identified, but they have all been ruled out, one by one... |
Edited by - jwiborg on 27/08/2018 21:30:17 |
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lynn peterson432
Medium member
USA
168 Posts |
Posted - 28/08/2018 : 01:08:09
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Audlin
Starting member
Australia
19 Posts |
Posted - 28/08/2018 : 04:44:04
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| Hi Everyone - especially JaneC, jkmarler, jwiborg and Lyndal40. Ok so I have been chasing the wrong Elias. My mother died last November and in going through her papers my sister and I were unable to find ANY information on our father. There isn't a birth certificate or personal papers belonging to my father. He was indeed on the SS Carmania which sailed from Stavanger, Norway 18/4/24. The document is hard to read but my father did sign it and stated his age as 26. He arrived in Quebec, Canada in April 1924 (no specific day is mentioned just the month). My Elias married my mother on October 2nd, 1943. He was killed on March 9, 1952. I have copies of the death notice, the newspaper notices of the accident and the result of the trial (2 years prison for the driver). That is the only information my sister and I have. She has contacted the Canadian Government to see if he became a naturalised citizen but has yet to hear from them. So I will keep on looking. I do remember my mother saying he was from Bergen. |
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Family of Elias Olsen
