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TomHammer
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 Posted - 16/11/2018 : 20:45:04
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Originally posted by jkmarler
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Originally posted by lyndal40
They were not married when Embret was born. Do you know that they married?
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holy cannoli!
The small print on the right hand page says Christian has fathered 5 without benefit of marriage and she has mothered 3 likewise. Another woman is named as mother of 1 or 2.
What does it say in the Fadderness column? I see possible relatives of Anne Olsdr, Karen and Maren. Who are the other names? |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 16/11/2018 : 22:02:49
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There is a death of a Christian Einarsen age 13 years in 1837 #14:
SAH, Hof prestekontor, Parish register (official) no. 6, 1822-1841, p. 786-787
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070603290190
Otherwise was unable to find a death record for Christian Einarsen from 1836-1841. |
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TomHammer
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Posted - 16/11/2018 : 22:11:49
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| I'm looking for that right now. I didn't find him in the 1865 census either, so possibly deceased by then. I don't think he went to America, but I know his son Peder did in 1879. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 16/11/2018 : 22:36:16
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The link from 1809 states "E: Christian født 16. desember, av legd nr. 69." in the Remarks. Does this indicate that Chrisitan Einersen was born 16 December?
Yes født means born. Here is the original record.
Left page, farm is Lundbye
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A little about the family in this discussion on Forum.arkivet
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The important paragraph is translated below.
"Guest Arild Kompelien
Guests
No. 2
Posted May 5, 2004
First a few corrections. The wedding ceremony took place on January 9, 1835. The church book does not mention the fathers with their farms, only with their first names and patronym, and Lundeby and Øverby are located under the heading of Oppholssted for the married people. Knut Einarsen is baptized 09.10.1806 with father Ejner Hendrechsen Grøstøen or Grønnstøa. Mother not mentioned, but Ejner Hendrichsen Øwerbye was married to Rønoug Andersdatter on 14.11.1802. Children for them: Marthe b. 1803 Lund, Knud b. 1806, Christian b. 16.12.1809 Lundby, Andreas f. 16.02.1815 Grønstøen, Hellene b. 02.01.1818 Grønfløien (which is Grønnstøa?). 1801 Einar was in service at Øverby - 26 years old. Maren Knutsdatter is difficult. I have not found anything for her so far. There is no candidate among those baptized in Hof, did not find anyone who can be her in all of Hedmark in the census of 1801. Possibly she came from Sweden? "
Ener (Ejner, Einer etc.) in the 1801 Census on Overbye
1801 Census |
Edited by - AntonH on 16/11/2018 22:59:42 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 16/11/2018 : 22:39:56
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Originally posted by TomHammer
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Originally posted by jkmarler
[quote]Originally posted by lyndal40
They were not married when Embret was born. Do you know that they married?
#194
What does it say in the Fadderness column? I see possible relatives of Anne Olsdr, Karen and Maren. Who are the other names?
Karen Olsdtr Nordermoen, Maren Olsdtr Gilleshashmoen, Einar Knudsen Haugen, Knut Larsen Ronningen. |
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TomHammer
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Posted - 16/11/2018 : 22:42:09
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| Are the "last names" of each of them the farm they work/live on? |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 16/11/2018 : 23:10:04
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Originally posted by TomHammer
Are the "last names" of each of them the farm they work/live on?
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 16/11/2018 : 23:11:34
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The Forum discussion listed the parents of Ejner as Hendrik Eriksen ogt Malene Bergersdtr
This is likely the baptism record for Ejner (also spelled Eener here)
Eener Henriksen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Eener Henriksen
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 4 nov 1775
Baptism Place: , , Hedmark, NorwayHof
Father: Hendrik Eriksen
Mother: Malene Bergersd
FHL Film Number: 124288
Original record is the first baptism on the left page under Vaaler Nov 4, out of wedlock and I have not found a marriage record.
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However it is likely that this is the death record for Malene Bergersdatter. She was born in 1743 and died in 1813 on the Grønstøen farm.
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Edited by - AntonH on 17/11/2018 00:01:39 |
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TomHammer
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 16/11/2018 : 23:30:11
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| Yes and the farm name is likely the same as the farm name from the Forum discussion as well Grønstøen or Grøstøen. |
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TomHammer
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Posted - 16/11/2018 : 23:45:50
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So far, it's likely the Christian Einersen I'm seeking is the one b. 16 December 1809, brother of Knud, but I can't directly tie him to the Chrisitan Einersen who I know is the father of Peder Christiansen (b. 1830). A marriage record would help since it would show date of marriage and ages, but apparently they never married. :-(
I think the best piece of evidence is that Knud Einersen Lundbye (presumably his uncle) is listed in Peder's baptism record.
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jkmarler
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 17/11/2018 : 00:18:05
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The original record lists as Caut. ie witnesses Peder Halvorsen Lundebye and Anne Mikkelsen Snarvold
Left page near bottom
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Intersting Peder Halvorsen Lundbye is married to Kersti Bergersdatter, may not be a sister of Malene, parents are probably Berger Knudsen and Eli Olsdatter according to Ancestry
1801 Census
Probably Malene Bergersdatter baptism record.
Malene Bergersen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Malene Bergersen
[Malene Matthisen]
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 21 jul 1743
Baptism Place: , , Hedmark, NorwayHof
Father: Berger Matthisen
Mother: Kari Erichsdr
FHL Film Number: 124287 |
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TomHammer
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Posted - 19/11/2018 : 17:07:38
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Here's a marriage record for Einar Henricksen and Ronnaug Andersdatter in 1802:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000001969786
His father is curiously rendered at Peder Halvorsen....
Her father's name is listed as Arne Mickelsen. Wouldn't her father's name be Anders ..."? |
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TomHammer
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101 Posts |
Posted - 19/11/2018 : 17:56:11
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Originally posted by jkmarler
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Originally posted by lyndal40
They were not married when Embret was born. Do you know that they married?
#194
holy cannoli!
The small print on the right hand page says Christian has fathered 5 without benefit of marriage and she has mothered 3 likewise. Another woman is named as mother of 1 or 2.
I think I found another child (6th) - this one with Olea Larsdr (mother of child 1 and 2). Can you translate line 26? There is also a note in the far right column.
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/9163/44501/24
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