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neil16377
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Posted - 20/06/2019 :  18:10:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi.. Through doing my family tree, I have been informed that my great grandfather x3 was the child of a Norwegian Sailor that must have Docked in Conway(Conwy) North Wales in 1882
My grandfather was born August 1883, so the sailor must have been here in 1882,
Is there any way of finding which Ships and crew that was here in 1882??

Thank you
neil jones

jkmarler
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USA
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Posted - 20/06/2019 :  20:10:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Do you have any documentary evidence of your grandfather's paternity, i.e. mentions of the Norwegian sailor's name etc.?
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neil16377
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Posted - 20/06/2019 :  20:24:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Nothing..... All I know is that the mother was disowned by the family.
neil jones
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AntonH
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USA
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Posted - 20/06/2019 :  20:51:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ancestry.com has a data base for

"All Canada, Seafarers of the Atlantic Provinces, 1789-1935 Results"

Some of the ships docked in Cardiff Wales.

Here is the list of crew born in Norway, who also docked in Cardiff Wales some time in 1882.

View Record Name Birth Year Birth Place Vessel Name Voyage Departure Date Voyage Departure Place
View Record
Lars Lawson
abt 1860 Norway Thomas Perry 3 Mar 1881 London, England
View Record
Jacob Olsen
abt 1857 Porsgrunn, Norway Thomas Perry 3 Mar 1881 London, England
View Record
Charles Smedland
abt 1856 Norway Africa 2 Sep 1881 Cardiff, Wales
View Record
Albere Abel
abt 1838 Drammen, Norway Thomas Perry 3 Mar 1881 London, England
View Record
Niels Blom
abt 1851 Norway Thomas Perry 3 Mar 1881 London, England
View Record
Olaf Henriksen
abt 1858 Norway Africa 2 Sep 1881 Cardiff, Wales
View Record
D Olsen
abt 1854 Norway Thomas Perry 3 Mar 1881 London, England
View Record
Yorkein Omundsen
abt 1857 Norway M and E Cox 15 Apr 1882 Rotterdam, Netherlands

Above is a summary. Here is what the full record looks like for the first person on the list.

Lars Lawson
in the Canada, Seafarers of the Atlantic Provinces, 1789-1935
Name: Lars Lawson
Record Type: Crew
Age: 21
Birth Year: abt 1860
Birth Place: Norway
Vessel Name: Thomas Perry
Vessel Type: Barque
Voyage Departure Date: 3 Mar 1881
Voyage Departure Port: London, England
Voyage Arrival Date: 29 Mar 1882
Voyage Arrival Port: Cardiff , Wales
Vessel Registration Number: Y879006
Vessel Registration Place: Yarmouth, Nova Scotia
Year Vessel Constructed: 1879
Date Joined Present Ship: 20 Mar 1882
Place Joined Present Ship: St Nazaire France, France
Crew Number: 50
Literacy: Signed name
Completed What Signed On To Do?: Yes
Discharge Date: 29 Mar 1882
Discharge Place: Cardiff, Wales
Discharge: Discharged at end of voyage
Capacity (Rank): Able-bodied Seaman
Payment Type (Time): By the run
Wage: 310
Wage Currency: Sterling
Edited by - AntonH on 20/06/2019 20:57:42
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jwiborg
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Posted - 20/06/2019 :  21:18:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Norwegian ships in foreign harbours:
27 SEP 1882 Ship Helvetia, Capt. Engelbrethsen. Dep. Pensacola, destination Conway.
14 OCT 1882 Ship Hvideørn, Capt. Knudsen. Conway.
20 OCT 1882 Ship Progress, Capt. Olsen. Arriving Conway from Torneå Finland.
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neil16377
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Posted - 20/06/2019 :  21:19:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Wow.. Thank you
neil jones
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neil16377
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Posted - 20/06/2019 :  21:42:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Jwiborg..... Its definitely one of them 3 ships.. I appreciate your help guys.. Absolutely magic
neil jones
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neil16377
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Posted - 20/06/2019 :  21:48:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Jwiborg.... Any in 1883 please??
neil jones
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jkmarler
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Posted - 20/06/2019 :  21:56:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by neil16377

Nothing..... All I know is that the mother was disowned by the family.


What was your grandfather's name?
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neil16377
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Posted - 20/06/2019 :  22:00:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
William
neil jones
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jkmarler
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Posted - 20/06/2019 :  22:16:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
William what?
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neil16377
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Posted - 20/06/2019 :  22:25:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sorry... William evans
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jkmarler
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Posted - 20/06/2019 :  22:39:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Any of these?
Name William Richard Evans
Event Type Birth Registration
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year 1882
Registration District Conway
County Caernarvonshire
Event Place Conway, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Volume 11B
Page 511
Affiliate Line Number 179
Citing this Record

"England and Wales Birth Registration Index, 1837-2008," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2XKJ-BDH : 1 October 2014), William Richard Evans, 1882; from "England & Wales Births, 1837-2006," database, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : 2012); citing Birth Registration, Conway, Caernarvonshire, Wales, citing General Register Office, Southport, England.

Name William Brookes Evans
Event Type Birth Registration
Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year 1883
Registration District Conway
County Caernarvonshire
Event Place Conway, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Volume 11B
Page 568
Affiliate Line Number 159
Citing this Record

"England and Wales Birth Registration Index, 1837-2008," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2X2Q-1PV : 1 October 2014), William Brookes Evans, 1883; from "England & Wales Births, 1837-2006," database, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : 2012); citing Birth Registration, Conway, Caernarvonshire, Wales, citing General Register Office, Southport, England.

Name William Evans
Event Type Birth Registration
Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year 1882
Registration District Conway
County Caernarvonshire
Event Place Conway, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Volume 11B
Page 561
Affiliate Line Number 353
Citing this Record

"England and Wales Birth Registration Index, 1837-2008," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2XK9-D5J : 1 October 2014), William Evans, 1882; from "England & Wales Births, 1837-2006," database, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : 2012); citing Birth Registration, Conway, Caernarvonshire, Wales, citing General Register Office, Southport, England.

Name William Evans
Event Type Birth Registration
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year 1883
Registration District Conway
County Caernarvonshire
Event Place Conway, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Volume 11B
Page 512
Affiliate Line Number 208
Citing this Record

"England and Wales Birth Registration Index, 1837-2008," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2XKT-Z13 : 1 October 2014), William Evans, 1883; from "England & Wales Births, 1837-2006," database, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : 2012); citing Birth Registration, Conway, Caernarvonshire, Wales, citing General Register Office, Southport, England.
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ToreL
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Norway
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Posted - 20/06/2019 :  22:47:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Painting of the ship Progress af Arendal, Capt. E.C. Olsen:

https://digitaltmuseum.no/011022546839/maleri-skutebilde-innr-bark-progress.

"af Arendal" indicates that the town of Arendal was the home port.
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jwiborg
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Norway
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Posted - 20/06/2019 :  23:04:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Do you have more vital information about William Evans?

Exact d.o,b?
His mothers full name?
Siblings?
Spouse?
From whom did Willaim get the lastname of Evans?
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ToreL
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Norway
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Posted - 20/06/2019 :  23:08:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Progress, Olsen, left Cornway [sic] for Arendal on Nov 13th 1882, according to telegram printed in Norwegian newspaper.

Helvetia, Engebretsen, arrived in Beaumaris on Jan 6th 1883, sailing from Pensacola. (I don't find the sailing date from Conwy.)

Hvideørn, Knudsen, left St. John for Liverpool on Nov 15th 1882.
Edited by - ToreL on 20/06/2019 23:41:56
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