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BrianSmith
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 Posted - 05/08/2019 : 11:40:02
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I'm looking into the lives of Halvor Thoresen (b. 1811) and Petro Nielsdatter (b. Sweden). In FamilySearch, there is a record of a marriage on 31 May 1841 that lists the parties as "Halvor Thoresen Kultorp" and "Petro Nielsdatter Kultorp". Presumably these are the same parties, but what does the Kultorp mean? Thanks. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 05/08/2019 : 13:22:44
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| It's a farm name. |
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ToreL
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Posted - 05/08/2019 : 13:25:28
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| They were married in Hvaler, and Kultorp, also written Koltorp, is a farm in Hvaler. It means that they were living at Koltorp at the time of the wedding. |
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vivi
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AntonH
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Posted - 06/08/2019 : 00:40:37
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The original record list his occupation as Matros ie sailor.
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AntonH
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Posted - 06/08/2019 : 17:48:58
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Here is an interesting confirmation record from 1829 from the records for Hvaler, Østfold, for a Halvor Thoresen born 11-02-1811 in Christiania (Oslo), Parents are Tore Torkildsen a Afskediget Soldat and Guri Erichsdatter.
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Original record is number 8
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ToreL
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Posted - 06/08/2019 : 21:06:14
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This could be the father moving to Hvaler in 1824*. Occupation dismissed soldier and shoe maker, age 55, moving from Fredrikshald. (Currently Halden.)
(The year 1824 is marked with a star in the transcribed record, likely because the entry is not dated in the original, and 1824 looks an interpolated estimate that could be a couple of years off.) |
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AntonH
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Posted - 06/08/2019 : 23:32:32
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I suspect you are right Tore. Here is likely the widow Petro Nilsdatter leaving Hvaler in 1859 and moving to Kråkerøy ?. The transcription is incorrect in that it lists her as married to Halvor Thorkildsen in 1844 No. 5. But I would read the original record for the out migration for the year to be 1841, which matches the records above.
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The original record is Number 15.
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Above the OP lists Petro as being from Sweden. Maybe this record also pertains to her.
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AntonH
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Posted - 07/08/2019 : 02:09:45
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This is likely the baptism record for Halvor Thorsen
Halvor Thorsen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Halvor Thorsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 2 nov 1811
Baptism Date: 23 nov 1811
Baptism Place: Aker, Oslo, Norway
Father: Thor Torkildsen
Mother: Guri Eriksdatter
FHL Film Number: 125840
Reference ID: Bk 16 P 58
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ToreL
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Posted - 07/08/2019 : 13:13:35
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| Clipping from Hvaler bygdebook. With the children listed, this must be Petro in 1865 (followed by children Halvor and Marie in the listing) and 1875 (following the son Halvor) And note the more specific origin in Sweden in the last. |
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BrianSmith
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Posted - 09/08/2019 : 11:10:56
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Wow! Many thanks for all your help. ToreL's clipping is most interesting, but - forgive me for not reading Norwegian - there are a few bits I don't understand. This is the Google translation of the clipping:
Thorer Torkelsen, d. 18.10.1840 at Sandbakken, 79 (i.e. 70?) Years. Lived in 1811 In Kristiania, came from Halden in 1826, was dismissed soldier, <gevaldiger> and shoemaker and probably lived from 1826 on Sandbakken - Married (1) with Guri Erichsdr. - Married (2) 3.2.1826 with widow Margarethe Johannesdtr. who then lived at Sandbakken, d. there 17.7.1860, 73 years, poor member. G. (1) 1812 m. Gullik Andersen Leret u. Sandbrekke, d. 1816. One of her daughters u.e., Anna Chatrine Eriksdtr. lived here at Snabakken when she became conf. 1836. - Children: I 1. Havlor b. 2.11.1811 In Kristiania, cf. 1829 from Kjenvik, moved 1831 from Sandbakken to Fredrikstad to serve, but returned 1841 or earlier, lived at Koltorp and was a sailor, drowned 12.1 1847, bgr. In Halden. Married 31.5.1841 m. Petro Nielsdtr. Koltorp, then 29 years old, who moved to Kråkerøy approx. 1855. Child: 1. Marie Nielsine b. 3.3.1841, cf. 56 from Huser, ed. 1860 to Kråkerøy. 2. Golette Torine on 8.9.1844, cf. 59 from Reff, served in 1865 at Nedgården, ex. 1869 Fredrikstad. 3. Havlor b. November 15, 1846.
I don't understand the bit from "poor member" through to "Children". I presume "Gift" means "married", correct? Who was Gullik Andersen Leret u. Sandbrekke? Margarethe Johannesdtr's first husband, perhaps?
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ToreL
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Posted - 09/08/2019 : 15:08:06
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Yes, gift means married. Gevaldiger appears to have been a sort of noncommissioned officer/sub-offiser. A fattiglem was a poor person who received some form of support from the community. «konf.» and «kf.» mean konfirmert/confirmed, i.e., the religious «passing-of-age» ceremony performed around 16 years of age +/- . What the «d.v.s. 70?» (correctly rendered «i.e. 70?») refers to, I have no idea. Here is my translation. (In Norwegian, dates are written in the format dd.mm.yyyy.)
Thorer Torkelsen, died 18.10.1840 at Sandbakken, 79 years old. Lived in Kristiania in 1811, came (to Hvaler) from Halden in 1826, was a dismissed soldier (gevaldiger) and shoe maker and probably lived at Sandbakken from 1826.
Thorer Torkelsen was first married to Guri Erichsdatter, and then the second time, 3.2.1826 to widow Margarethe Johannesdatter, who then lived at Sandbakken, and who died at the same place on 17.7.1860, 73 years old, as a fattiglem.
Guri Eriksdatter Margarethe Johannesdatter was first married, in 1812, to Gullik Andersen (who lived at) Leret under Sandbrekke, who died in 1816.
One of Guri Eriksdatter's Margarethe Johannesdatter's daughters, born out of wedlock, Anna Chatrine Eriksdatter, lived at Sandbakken when she was confirmed in 1836.
One child in the marriage between Thorer Torkelsen and Guri Eriksdatter: Halvor, born 2.11.1811 in Kristiania, confirmed 1829 while living at Kjenvik, moved from Sandbakken to (the town of) Fredrikstad in 1831 to work, but returned in 1841 or earlier, lived at Koltorp and was a sailor, drowned 12.1.1847 and was buried in Halden. He was married 31.5.1841 to Petro Nielsdatter Koltorp, then 29 years old, who moved to Kråkerøy around 1855.
Children in the marriage between Halvor and Petro:
1. Marie Nielsine, born 3.3.1841, confirmed 1856 while living at Huser, moved to Kråkerøy in 1860.
2. Golette Torine, born 8.9.1844, confirmed 1859 while living at Reff, worked at Nedgården in 1865, moved to Fredrikstad in 1869.
3. Halvor, born 15.11.1846
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ToreL
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Posted - 09/08/2019 : 15:29:11
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According to the 1875 census, Petro Nielsdatter was born in Kongshavn Sverige. Kongshavn, meaning king's harbor, would be Kungshamn in Swedish. There is a town by that name in the Swedish county of Västra Götaland, half way between Hvaler and the city of Gothenburg. The good thing about this, is the fact that detailed records are preserved that (apparently) list the families of Kungshamn parish in 1816, but unfortunately there is no trace of Petro in the lists. Neither have I been able to find her baptism in Kungshamn, or anything about her departure.
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BrianSmith
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Posted - 10/08/2019 : 11:20:14
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| Many thanks ToreL. Your help is much appreciated. |
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BrianSmith
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Posted - 10/08/2019 : 12:36:02
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| Many thanks ToreL. Your help is much appreciated. |
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BrianSmith
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Posted - 05/09/2019 : 23:46:46
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| ToreL: I've just come back to this after a hard drive failure, which has taken some time to recover from. There seems to be a date discrepancy in the clipping you found. It says that Guri Eriksdatter was first married, in 1812, to Gullik Andersen, yet in 1811 she was married to Thorer Torkelsen and had a son, Havlor, born 2 November 1811. Can you unravel that please? |
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