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Jdkrags
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USA
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Posted - 13/09/2019 :  04:53:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I’m trying to find my 3x great grandfather’s passenger list to America. I saw on a Geni tree that someone had him leaving from Trondheim in May of 1882, but the 1910 US Census says he arrived in 1885. He was born 23 Apr 1858 in Stadsbygd. Let me know if you need more info on him and I’ll try and give it to you.

jkmarler
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USA
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Posted - 13/09/2019 :  10:43:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A few more facts might be helpful:

Probably his marriage in MOMS:
NORMAN 02-153 03/25/1889 KROGNES, OLE A NOST, KAREN JOHNSON

Dueling censuses, here in 1900 gives his migration year as 1882:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M937-C4S

Here by at least 1885 in 1885 Minnesota state census:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQXJ-X3L
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran

USA
3351 Posts

Posted - 13/09/2019 :  12:47:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The 1900 and 1910 censuses both put him in Norman Co. Minnesota. The 1900 notes that he has 'papers applied' for naturalization and the 1910 notes that he is now a naturalized citizen.
Norman Co. Minnesota naturalization records, first papers, petition, declaration of intention and final papers formats, are in the LDS Familysearch.org catalog and available for you to scan through probably from home.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/2524811?availability=Family%20History%20Library

The various filings for US naturalization often contain the applicants detail record of how they arrived in the country, sometimes even including the name of the ship and exact date of arrival.

Edited by - Hopkins on 13/09/2019 12:48:26
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ToreL
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Norway
842 Posts

Posted - 13/09/2019 :  14:32:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
According to this site, his brother Paul emigrated in May 1886:

http://www.hemneslekt.net/getperson.php?personID=I101700&tree=Hemne#cite1

I see this information is also recorded in the Cox/Kragnes family tree on Ancestry, according to which the brothers Paul and Ole married two sisters, so it looks like searching for one may well lead to the other.

Edited by - ToreL on 13/09/2019 14:38:48
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ToreL
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Norway
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Posted - 13/09/2019 :  15:58:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Emigration of brother, (double) sister-in-law and two children in 1886, #11-#14:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070420630258
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AntonH
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USA
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Posted - 13/09/2019 :  17:17:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Paul leaving Trondheim.

Link

Not an easy find

Paul Koeknes
in the Pennsylvania, Passenger and Crew Lists, 1800-1962
Name: Paul Koeknes
Gender: Male
Arrival Age: 30
Birth Date: abt 1856
Birth Place: Germany
Last Residence: Germany
Departure Place: Liverpool, England
Arrival Date: 6 Jun 1886
Arrival Place: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
Ship: Illinois


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Edited by - AntonH on 13/09/2019 17:30:45
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AntonH
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USA
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Posted - 13/09/2019 :  17:46:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Probable Ole leaving Trondheim in 1882

Link

Edited by - AntonH on 13/09/2019 21:44:13
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jkmarler
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USA
7790 Posts

Posted - 13/09/2019 :  17:55:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
From the thru 2010 Norman County Obituary Index:
Kragess, Ole 4, 366
Kragnes, Alvin O. 8, 54
Kragnes, Eugene Alvin 15, 64
Kragness, Earl L. 8, 357
Kragness, John A. 5, 418
Kragness, Joseph Palmer 5, 150
Kragness, Martin O. 8, 117
Kragness, Palmer 2, 280
Kragness, Rena Emma (Mrs. Olaf) 3, 299
Kragness, Renna Emma (nee: Brekke) 1A , 127

Here's the policy on ordering:
https://sites.rootsweb.com/~mnnorman/Obituary/Lookuppolicy3-13.htm

K
1871-1922
Deceased Name DOD YOD Ind Book Page Line Notes
Norman County Death Index:
Kragnes, Olga Sophie Aug. 27 1910 1 2 60 23
Krognes, Karen Martha Apr. 19 1909 1 2 60 14
Krognes, Lydia Johanna Nov. 12 1909 1 2 60 17
Krogness, __________ (Baby) Oct. 12 1908 1 2 62 78 Premature
Krogness, Bennie Selmer Aug. 26 1919 1 3 117 61 Lee
Krogness, Olive Margette Mar. 11 1891 1 1 21 27
Krogness, Sofie Bergette Mar. 10 1891 1 1 21 26


K (continued)
1923-1982
Deceased Name DOD YOD Ind Book Page Line S/N Notes
Kragness, John A.Oct. 16 1970 2 5 468 7 3258
Kragness, Olaf Sept. 28 1933 2 4 57 37 Halstad Village
Kragness, Paul Jan. 16 1927 2 4 19 69 Lee
Kragness, Rena Emma Jan. 12 1950 2 5 72 5 495
Krogness, Julia June 15 1929 2 4 32 65 Lee

Edited by - jkmarler on 13/09/2019 18:27:55
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ToreL
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Norway
842 Posts

Posted - 13/09/2019 :  18:45:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Probably Ole leaving Trondheim in 1882, although the age is a year off:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/8/pe00000000093474

Ritsen is the same ad Rissa, where Stadsbygd is located.

Edited by - ToreL on 14/09/2019 23:33:35
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jkmarler
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USA
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Posted - 13/09/2019 :  19:19:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
And Ada, Minnesota his destination is in Norman County, Minnesota.
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ToreL
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Norway
842 Posts

Posted - 13/09/2019 :  19:40:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
And his future wife Karen left in 1887, with the same destination. (And the same origin in Ritsen.) Bottom of page:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/em20110302621054

She is entered as Karen Johnsen Nøst, matching the fact that her father was Peder Johnsen Nøst.

Edited by - ToreL on 13/09/2019 19:55:07
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AntonH
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USA
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Posted - 13/09/2019 :  21:55:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A tough one. I did notice that a passenger next to Ole Arntsen posted by Tore is named Mathilde Elden. I did find a likely candidate for her

Name: M Elden
Gender: Female
Arrival Age: 19
Birth Date: abt 1863
Departure Place: Liverpool, England
Arrival Date: 28 May 1882
Arrival Place: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
Ship: British Prince

Right below M Elden are Nic Dahl and her child, also found near Ole in the post by Tore.

But no Ole Arntsen or name even close on that ship. The closest is a

O Rindal
in the Pennsylvania, Passenger and Crew Lists, 1800-1962
Name: O Rindal
Gender: Male
Arrival Age: 22
Birth Date: abt 1860
Departure Place: Liverpool, England
Arrival Date: 28 May 1882
Arrival Place: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
Ship: British Prince

Edited by - AntonH on 13/09/2019 22:58:25
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ToreL
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Norway
842 Posts

Posted - 13/09/2019 :  22:55:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This looks like Karen's arrival, although

1) the record says male but I read the original as Karen, which is definitely a female, and
2) the (North Sea plus) Atlantic crossing was awfully quick if I read the dates correctly:

Name: Karon J Nost
Gender: Male
Arrival Age: 22
Birth Date: abt 1865
Birth Place: Sweden
Last Residence: Sweden
Departure Place: Liverpool, England
Arrival Date: 8 Jun 1887
Arrival Place: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
Ship: Lord Gough
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AntonH
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USA
9301 Posts

Posted - 13/09/2019 :  23:09:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Interesting that all of the finds yours and my two arrived in Philadelphia.

Usually give about ten days or more to make the trip. Seven days is very fast, but I agree it is certainly her. The list of passengers from Digitalakviet shows an Ole Johns. and family next to Karen and they are also found on the sam ship as Karen on page 375 of the manifest.

Link

Edited by - AntonH on 13/09/2019 23:20:37
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ToreL
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Norway
842 Posts

Posted - 14/09/2019 :  00:08:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A strong competitor for the spot on the British Prince in 1882:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/291/pu00000000177734
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ToreL
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Norway
842 Posts

Posted - 14/09/2019 :  00:32:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Assuming that the son of Arnt Anderson uses the Anderson surname, here is a possible arrival for Ole in USA. Ship British King:

Name
Ole Anderson
Birth
abt 1859
Departure
Liverpool, England
Arrival
22 May 1882 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
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