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Jdkrags
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 Posted - 18/02/2020 : 00:07:49
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| Back again, this time digging into the immigration of my 5x great-grandparents, Bottolf Sjursen & Kari Eriksdatter Brekke, and their family. The emigration record of them leaving Norway includes their family, and farther up on the page, Lars & Sigrid and their family. The immigration record of them arriving in Quebec (Monsoon, 1866) has Kari and her family on one page, and Bottolf on the very next page, listed as the father of Sigrid’s family. Lars Hansen is nowhere to be found upon arrival. After doing some digging, I discovered that there was one death on the voyage and I am pretty sure it must’ve been Lars. And yes, Bottolf was married to Kari, and Lars to Sigrid. Nothing out of wedlock or an affair to my knowledge. Bottolf and Kari were in their 60’s at this time, while Sigrid and Lars were in their 40’s. Just looking for some context as to what may have happened, or does my story add up? Thanks for anything! |
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AntonH
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Posted - 18/02/2020 : 00:12:49
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Can you post some links to the records that you refer to.
I found a few.
Emigration
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/194/pe00000000337079
Bottolf Brekke
in the Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: Bottolf Brekke
Gender: Male
Arrival Age: 65
Birth Year: abt 1801
Arrival Date: May 1866
Arrival Port: Canada
Vessel: Monsoon
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AntonH
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Posted - 18/02/2020 : 00:39:37
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Family of Bottold Sjursen in 1865, wife is as you suggested Kari Erikdsdatter. Not living on Brekke.
Two children Ellend and Nils.
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AntonH
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Posted - 18/02/2020 : 00:46:57
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Lars Hanssen and wife Sigrid Knudsdatter. One child is listed, Living on Loven with one son Hans.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 18/02/2020 : 01:35:38
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Emigration of Kari
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/194/pe00000000337068
Arrival
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Kari Erikadatter Baddke
in the Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: Kari Erikadatter Baddke
Gender: Female
Arrival Age: 66
Birth Year: abt 1800
Arrival Date: May 1866
Arrival Port: Canada
Vessel: Monsoon
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AntonH
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AntonH
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Posted - 18/02/2020 : 02:06:35
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It is a rather messy set of records for both emigration and arrival. This is what I get from the Arikivet Emigration record.
Bottolf Sjursen Brække
Sigrid Brække
Johanne Brække
Hans Brække
Elling Bottolfsen Brække
Kari Eriksdtr Brække
I do not find a Lars Hansen leaving Bergen in the Arkivet records or arriving on the Canadian records.
Also there is a Johanne at about the same age as Nils and no Nils?
Johanne
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/194/pe00000000337081
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AntonH
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Posted - 18/02/2020 : 02:33:01
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When I go back to the original records of people leaving Aurland in 1866, I do find Lars Hanen, wife Sigrid and son Hans leaving .
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AntonH
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Posted - 18/02/2020 : 02:44:55
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The other group that left at the same time consist of
Bottolf Sjursen Brække age 65
Kari Eriksdatter age 60
Elling Bottolfsen age 30
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AntonH
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Posted - 18/02/2020 : 02:50:38
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| The records leaving Bergen seem to be in error and I do not think that you can trust them. The records for arrival in Canada follow the Bergen records. and for the same reason are suspect. The only records that fit the families you are asking about are the original records leaving the parish of Aurland. |
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AntonH
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Posted - 18/02/2020 : 02:58:12
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Why do you think that Lars Hansen Loven did not arrive. Here is a record for a Lars Hansen Loven born about 1822 died in 1900.
Lars Hansen Loven
in the U.S., Find A Grave Index, 1600s-Current
Name: Lars Hansen Loven
Birth Date: 1822
Death Date: 1900
Cemetery: Urland Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Sogn, Goodhue County, Minnesota, United States of America
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AntonH
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Posted - 18/02/2020 : 03:05:54
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Looks like Lars Hansen Loven and wife Sigri Knutsdatter married their son in Minnesota. I think the note that Goodhue is in Wisconsin is an error.
Hans Larsen Loven
in the U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Church Records, 1781-1969
Name: Hans Larsen Loven
Gender: Male
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 16 Jun 1887
Marriage Place: Goodhue, Wisconsin, USA
Father: Lars Hansen Loven
Mother: Sigri Knutsdtr
Spouse: Mette Christine Monsdtr Stondal
Church Name: Urland Lutheran Church
Church Location: Dennison, Minnesota
There is some evidence that Sigri died in 1873 and Lars remarried to a Johanna. |
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jkmarler
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Jdkrags
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Posted - 18/02/2020 : 17:24:03
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| That’s a lot of compelling research. The reason why I suspected something must’ve happened to Lars Hansen on the voyage was because he was present on the emigration record but not on the immigration record. It suspected that he must’ve died on the voyage and that Bottolf was, for some reason, listed as Sigrid’s husband (which is incorrect). I’m not trying to necessarily trace down the Loven family. I was investigating the Brekke Family immigration and stumbled upon this by accident. But after seeing Lars Hansen still living in the US after 1866 is quite confusing. |
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AntonH
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Posted - 18/02/2020 : 22:31:49
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| My guess would be that the two families are separate and only got mixed up in the voyage records. When they arrived again they went their separate ways. The Lars Hansen Loven family to Goodhue County, Minnesota and your ancestors the Bottold Sjursen Brekke family Otter Tail County, Minnesota. |
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AntonH
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Posted - 18/02/2020 : 22:41:29
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This is likely the marriage of your Botold Sjursen and Kari Erichsdatter.
Bottold Sjuersen
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Bottold Sjuersen
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 1 nov 1825
Marriage Place: Aurland,Sogn Og Fjordane,Norway
Father: Sjuer
Spouse: Kari Erichsdr
FHL Film Number: 126375
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There is a Bottold Sieursen born about 1797 living at Breche farm in the 1801 Census. Father is Sieur Karlsen and mother is Ellie Bottoldsdatter.
1801
A candidate for Kari is living on Flom in the 1801 Census. Father is Erich Ellendsen and mother is Ingeborg Morthensdatter.
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Edited by - AntonH on 18/02/2020 22:54:22 |
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