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AntonH
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Posted - 25/03/2021 :  21:09:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This version of the marriage record gives the fathers name as Johannes.

Hans Ludvig Mikkelsen
in the Norway Marriages, 1600s-1800s
Name: Hans Ludvig Mikkelsen
Age: 19 years
Gender: Male
Birth Date: Ca.1840
Marriage Date: 13 jun 1859
Marriage Place: Oslo, Akershus, Norway
Spouse: Anne Marie Eriksdr
Spouse's Age: 17 years
Spouse's Gender: Female
Spouse's Birth Date: Ca.1842
Father: Johannes Mikkelsen
Spouse's Father: Erik Thoresen
Spouse's Mother: Marthe Olsdr

This version matches the record from Jackie

Hans Ludvig Mikkelsen
in the Norway, Church Records, 1812-1938
Name: Hans Ludvig Mikkelsen
Marriage Age: 19
Record Type: ekteskap (Marriage)
Birth Date: abt 1840
Birth Place: Asihin
Marriage Date: 13 jun 1859
Marriage Place: Oslo Domkirke / Vår Frelsers, Oslo, Norge (Norway)
Marriage Municipality: Oslo
Entry Number: 58
Father: Johanne Mikkelsen
Spouse: Anne marie Eriksdtr

Edited by - AntonH on 25/03/2021 21:12:15
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AntonH
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Posted - 25/03/2021 :  21:16:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The only one I could find.

Hans Ludvig Johannesen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Hans Ludvig Johannesen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 4 nov 1839
Baptism Date: 15 mar 1840
Baptism Place: Garnison Menighet, Oslo, Akershus, Norway
Father: Johannes Mikkelsen
Mother: Dorthea Christine Olsdr
FHL Film Number: 255742
Reference ID: 2:10F4MPJ

Nr. 14

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061009050522

Edited by - AntonH on 25/03/2021 21:23:18
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AntonH
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Posted - 25/03/2021 :  21:32:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Looks like Hans Ludvig had at least two brothers

Fredrik Johannesen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Fredrik Johannesen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 6 des 1845 (6 Dec 1845)
Baptism Date: 5 apr 1846
Baptism Place: Garnison Menighet, Oslo, Akershus, Norway
Father: Johannes Mikkelsen
Mother: Dorthea Christine Olsdr
FHL Film Number: 255742
Reference ID: 2:10F6KM2

Otto Johannesen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Otto Johannesen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 26 jul 1835
Baptism Date: 20 sep 1835
Baptism Place: Garnison Menighet, Oslo, Akershus, Norway
Father: Johannes Mikkelsen
Mother: Dorthea Christine Olsdr
FHL Film Number: 255742
Reference ID: 2:10F4BJX

And several sisters

Christine Amalia Johannesdatter 1837

Birgitte Marie Johannesdatter 1833

Vilhelmine Julie Johannesdatter 1832

Johannes Mikkelsen
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Johannes Mikkelsen
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 30 des 1831 (30 Dec 1831)
Marriage Place: Garnison Menighet, Oslo, Akershus, Norway
Spouse: Dorothea Christine Olsdr
FHL Film Number: 255742


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AntonH
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Posted - 25/03/2021 :  22:58:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There are several Family Trees on this family. Here is the one from Family Search

Johannes Mikkelsen Ovlien

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/LHGM-9ZT

Geni.com

https://www.geni.com/people/Johannes-Mikkelsen/6000000086676604821?through=6000000154325319943

Edited by - AntonH on 25/03/2021 23:03:55
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jkmarler
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Posted - 25/03/2021 :  23:18:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The most likely age wise to be Carrie is she: Ragna Christine was born 8 Apr 1859 # 142
SAO, Oslo domkirke Kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0015: Parish register (official) no. 15, 1857-1871, p. 130
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060216010137

But she is not with the family in the 1865 census....

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AntonH
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Posted - 26/03/2021 :  01:12:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:

The most likely age wise to be Carrie is she: Ragna Christine was born 8 Apr 1859 # 142


As far as I can tell she was not on the ship with her mother and siblings when they left Oslo in 1872.

Mother Martha, Olaf age 11, Fredrik age 8, Alfred age 5.5, Harold age 3. 5, Arthur age 3 mo.

There is also a Marie Michels.age 30 with them, may be a helper. Mom probably needed it.

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000000922052

Also if this is the family in the 1865 Census she is met living them?

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038012002352

This might be her in 1875 Census as Ragna Hansen

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052055067954

Edited by - AntonH on 26/03/2021 01:35:14
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jkmarler
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Posted - 26/03/2021 :  02:58:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Okay possible but Louis and his family have a nephew living with them in 1880 and grandma living with them in 1865 (and possibly in 1880 as well.) Would they have not had their daughter with them at some time?

I wonder what happened and who is the Marie Michels. leaving with them?

But here is a Ragna Christine Mikkelsen death:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/267/pg00000003628401

#86 3 year old Ragna Christine
SAO, Gamle Aker prestekontor Kirkebøker, F/L0001: Parish register (official) no. 1, 1861-1865, p. 210
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060228030961

Edited by - jkmarler on 26/03/2021 14:21:08
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jkmarler
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Posted - 26/03/2021 :  04:04:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is the death transcription for the son Thorvald :
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/267/pg00000005980732
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Posted - 28/03/2021 :  21:35:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Searching at the Digitalarkivet for any woman whose name begins with ka and whose last name is Nikkelsen, who was born between 1855 and 1865, finds only this woman:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000021129765
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Posted - 28/03/2021 :  21:44:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Same search only with no first name specified finds these:
Name Birth date Place of birth Position and marital status Domicile Event date Role Source

Marie Nikkelsen (female) 1861 1893 mor Church book from Rikshospitalet parish 1892-1895 (0301E6)

Oline Nikkelsen (female) 1858* 1882-03-07 mor Church book from Rikshospitalet parish 1877-1884 (0301E6)

Agneke Nikkelsen (female) 1864 1893-04-30 mor Church book from Rikshospitalet parish 1892-1895 (0301E6)

Karen Nikkelsen F. Johnsen (female) 1865 L. Bureded 1896-05-03 mor Church book from Laksevåg parish 1891-1903 (1248Q)

Nikoline Nikkelsen
(female) 1857 Skaadø Skaadø Sogn Tjenestepige ug Tjenestepige Kragerø: Hovedbyen 1875-12-31 1875 census for 0801P Kragerø

Lars Anders Nikkelsen Roska (female) 1863 Næsseby 1889-05-01 mor Church book from Nesseby parish, Nesseby local parish 1885-1985 (2027P)

Magdalene Marie Nikkelsen
(female) 1865 Aeligaden 1890-08-15 mor Church book from Johannes parish 1885-1900 (1301M6)

Yes Lars is labelled as female the data was entered as father in mother column--Humans!
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Posted - 28/03/2021 :  22:17:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here are familymembers mostly known as Nickelsen from Oslo & area, but I got interested since there were a sprinkling of Nikkelsens in the records which is the spelling on the marriage record.:

Son Nicholai Gottfrid b 1824
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000036262707

The son Nicholai Gottfrid Nickelsen in 1865 census:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038027003523

Marie Rosalie Nicholaisd or Nikkelsen b 1825:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000037084403

daughter Reinholdine b 1829
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000037087020

Son Jørgen Henrich Sass b abt 1830
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000038558280

grandson Oscar Claudius b abt 1856:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000022049165

A probable daughter name Olga Constance's b 1858 marriage with father named Nicholai Gabriel Nickelsen:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000005245647

The grand daughter Alice Olga Constance's baptism transcribed:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000018677881

Here is the family in 1865:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038027003523

Not clear from the transcription which of the two It is the son Nicholai Gottfrid Nickelsens this is who dies in 1867:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/267/pg00000003620555

Here is his dodsfallsprotokol #279
SAO, Oslo skifterett, G/Ga/Gaa/L0007: Dødsfallsprotokoll, 1864-1870, p. 133b-134a
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk20081219310561


The first newspaper mention of Nikkelsen is this report dated 3 Feb 1818 mentioning Skipper N.R. Nikkelsen:
https://www.nb.no/items/81c7e769b119c14d5f35d6d6e2ab0d9c?page=1&searchText=%22nikkelsen%22

Here characterized as Captein Nich G Nikkelsen from Christiania at Hamburg:
https://www.nb.no/items/2d111149f1f390737f663fe8d6056050?page=3&searchText=%22nikkelsen%22

Not exactly sure which Nikkelsen this is but he goes with wife and 5 children:
https://www.nb.no/items/1a9228ccb8fecfffbb3833270edd4162?page=3&searchText=%22nikkelsen%22

Family connections mentioned: Reinholdt Nickelsen and his brother Johannes in 1828:
https://www.nb.no/items/95fcdcfbfa1a2022768085f490452339?page=3&searchText=%22%20nickelsen%22

Under a big headline Auktion is a mention of avdode N.G. Nickelsen:
https://www.nb.no/items/998e4b305ff4324e9180f577bf6a8d00?page=1&searchText=%22n%20g%20nickelsen%22

An N.G. Nickelsen as sponsor at a Nickelsen baptism in Drammen in 1812:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000005605694

Not sure how or if this Katrine Sofie Elisabeth Nickelsen connects but born 1843 too old to be Carrie Sofie:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000004642149

Edited by - jkmarler on 29/03/2021 05:03:05
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jkmarler
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Posted - 28/03/2021 :  23:59:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Johan Gottfred Nickelsen returns Oslo citizenship:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/37/pc00000000000401

Is the father of numerous children baptized in Oslo:
Signe Marie in 1832:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000038344209

Didrik Johannes Otto in 1834:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000038991273

Martha b abt 1835:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000038561229

Diderik Oluf in 1838:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000039243654

Hanne Christiane in 1839:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000039242037

Johannes in 1840:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000039245103

Anne Lovise in 1841:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000039246381

Peter in 1844:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000039249858

All newspaper references to Johan G Nickelsen stop in 1845. His widow Gunhild dies 4 Oct 1880 and there is an announcement by her children.
https://www.nb.no/items/dd890486d958e63b11113b243c8855e9?page=1&searchText=%22gunhild%20nickelsen%22

Gunhild's dodsfallsprotokol #1960 gives these details 4 living adult children: one lives in Copenhage Denmark, 1 in New York and 2 live here. There are also 4 grandchildren who live in Copenhagen and "ovrige hersted". Son P. Nickelsen has reported her death.

SAO, Oslo skifterett, G/Ga/Gaa/L0010: Dødsfallsprotokoll, 1878-1880, p. 262b-263a
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk20081219320840


But he actually dies sometime in 1877:
https://www.nb.no/items/7cf664ed6cb47afc0e31642b72aa4a6b?page=1&searchText=%22gunhild%20nickelsen%22

So son Peter is living in Oslo in 1880, son Johannes is the one in New York:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZ82-J47

Johannes in New York in 1870:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M8F8-QMV

Johannes in Brooklyn in 1892 working as real estate agent:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQ3X-VHS

Johannes marries Esther Fogerty in New York in 1869:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24ZT-NPH

This is probably Johannes' death in Brooklyn in 1899:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WF3-6MZ

A Surrogate's Notice published in the Brooklyn Daily Eagle on Saturday 30 Dec 1899 page 10 col 7 notices heirs of John Nicholson in the probating of a Last Will & Testament named Esther Nicholson, Alfred Baarsen, Allette Baarsen, Peter Nicholson, Martha Carstenson to be held on 12 Feb 1900.

Esther Nicholson is the widow. In all the censuses she and John appear to have had no children. Alfred and Allette are children of John's sister Hanne.
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038012002571

Martha Carstensen is the one child in Denmark and in 1880 census there she has 3 daughters one of which is named Sophie Katerine aged 16:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QL6H-X4NC
The transcription gives Martha's maiden name as Nielsen but the actual image looks like Niklsen.

Here is Martha's marriage to Nils Fredrick Carstenson in 1870. Martha's name carried as Nielsen:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000004622222

Sofie Katherine is not in the household in 1890:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QL6K-VJBS

Sofie Catherine #50 b 2 Feb 1863 her mother is Signe Marie Nickelsen and father Nils Fredrik Carstensen. All godparents are relatives:
SAO, Trefoldighet prestekontor Kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0001: Ministerialbok nr. I 1, 1858-1863, s. 324
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060213061150

Signe Marie Nickelsen dies 13 June 1868:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/267/pg00000003690607
So Martha Nickelsen married her sister's widower.

So here it is a bizarre possibility that Carrie Sophie Nicholson is actually this person who went to Canton, Ohio from Denmark in 1881:
Navn: Carstensen, Maria Christine Stilling: Tyende (m/k land)
Alder: 17 Bestemmelsessted: Canton, Ohio
Kontrakt nr.: 395100 Forevisningsdato: 5/23/1881
Sidste oph.sogn: Barrit Sidste oph. amt: Vejle
Sidste oph.sted: Barrit, Veile Bestemmelses land: USA
Bestemmelses by: Canton Bestemmelses stat: Ohio
Skibsnavn: Indirekte

IDkode: I8081C2203

Martha Carstensen dies in 1907. Niels F Carstensen dies in 1909. Neither of their death notices mentions any surviving children by name or location.

Marie Christine Carstensen is not a good possible. Name doesn't match (Sofie Katerine or Carrie Sophie). Age and birthdate signficantly differ from Carrie as 29 June 1859 and 3 Apr 1863. Only year of arrival matches

Sophie Catherine Carstenson is out of consideration as she marries a man named Niels Hjorth in 1884 in Denmark.

Edited by - jkmarler on 30/03/2021 14:06:04
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jkmarler
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Posted - 29/03/2021 :  05:39:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is another family which could theoretically have a daughter with a birthyear close to Carrie's, this from the 1875 census:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052040000708

Johan Robert Nickelsen and Cathrine's marriage in 1859:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000003698286
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Posted - 29/03/2021 :  05:53:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is another Nickelsen family which could just possibly have a spot for a daughter Carrie. Here in the 1875 census school principal Niel Stockfleth Schultz Nickelsen (and no Carrie is visible but I haven't found this family in the 1865 census) :
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052055045615

Have found Niels SS Nickelsen in 1865 census, but no Carrie:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038027033881

Here is Niels' baptism, parents are Hans Lauritz Nickelsen and Olava:
#63
SAKO, Bragernes kirkebøker, F/Fb/L0001: Parish register (official) no. II 1, 1830-1847, p. 35
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061219610324

His father Hans died 14 Nov 1851 in this announcement in the paper by his widow Olava.
https://www.nb.no/items/c3fc3b2c0b7e75093c0460a297cd0f99?page=3&searchText=%22olava%20%20nickelsen%22

So Hans and Olava could not be parents of Carrie.

School principal Nickelsen died in Feb 1917 according to this article:
https://www.nb.no/items/5dd5393bd60be14cb4efe9d19ed887eb?page=3&searchText=%22Skolebestyrer%20%20nickelsen%22

Edited by - jkmarler on 29/03/2021 07:46:12
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Posted - 30/03/2021 :  02:35:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Jens Nikelsen is where two of the lines discussed converge, here in 1801 census at Drammen:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058267001692
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