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rickintokyo
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 Posted - 15/09/2022 : 13:18:45
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| Hello. I just joined this site and forum as I would like any assistance anyone might be able to provide regarding my great-grandfather's parents as well as any information about him. According to my grandmother, Ole Olson (born in Ringsaker in 1818) and his wife Sidsel Onsrud and three of their children (one died in Norway before emigrating) emigrated in 1861 on the Nordylset. According to my grandmother, Ole Olson died shortly after arriving in America. The family settled in Douglas County, Minnesota. In my efforts so far I cannot find an Ole Olson Moe, however, I I have found several Ole Olsen Moe. While the birthdate for one of them (1818) is correct, this individual lived into the early 20th century. There are certain similarities in family history, but I can't tell if these are the same person or not. I'd be very grateful for any assistance or advice anyone might be able to provide! |
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ToreL
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Posted - 15/09/2022 : 14:47:07
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The family's departure from the parish is recorded in the church book here (#106), transcribed as Ole Olsen, Sidsel Olsdatter, Kari Olsdatter, Karen Olsdatter and Ole Olsen.
The number of people, the names of the adults, the year and the parish all match, so it's fairly clear that these are your folks. The patronymic might have been pronounced Olson in Norway, but the Danes would say Olsen, and the official language used in the church books was Danish. But then English and Olson often won in the end, after emigration.
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ToreL
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Posted - 15/09/2022 : 15:05:35
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The original record gives the childrens' dates of birth.
Kari was born 18/9 1846, so her batism is this (#115). Transcribed.
Likewise, this (#118) must be Karen's baptism in 1850. Transcribed.
Finally, Ole jr., born 2/3 1854, was baptised here (#59). Transcribed.
(In case you haven't seen it before, the Norwegian convention for writing dates, used by me and the church books, is dd/mm yy.) |
Edited by - ToreL on 15/09/2022 15:24:34 |
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ToreL
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Posted - 15/09/2022 : 15:38:00
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Parents' 1845 wedding from the ministerial book and the "sexton's book".
Sidsel's place of birth is given as Skaraasen and her father was Ole Christophersen, so this must be her baptsim. Born 27/7 1821 and baptised 23/9 1821.
Likewise, Ole was born at Mo(e) and his father was another Ole Olsen, so his baptism must be this one. Born 16/9 1818 and baptised 1/10 1818. |
Edited by - ToreL on 15/09/2022 16:02:57 |
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ToreL
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Posted - 15/09/2022 : 18:30:08
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I made a search at Geni, and found that profiles already exist for Sidsel and Ole as well as their children and parents. Some of the dates found above are not there yet; maybe I will supply them myself at some point.
I note that Sidsel/Sissel's mother at Geni is named Kari Christensdatter. I believe this might be correct, although the transcription of the baptism I found says Kari Jensdr. The original record is this (#584), which I believe says Kari Jensdr clearly enough as such things go. It is, however, a fact that the parson/clerk didn't always get the patronymic right, and there is indeed a plausible enough looking wedding in 1816 between Ole Christophersen and Kari Christensd. at Skaraasen.
And then Sissel's confirmation record gives her mother's name as Kari Christensd., so that should settle it.
A few more words regarding these Geni profiles. Most of it seems to be quite reliable, but I spot a few bits of nonsense; a child born when the mother Sissel was three years old, and a son carrying the Einarson patronymic, born on the Norwegian West coast...
I see some code indicating that this was all imported from a tree on Ancestry, but that tree doesn't seem to exist any more.
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rickintokyo
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Posted - 16/09/2022 : 04:11:00
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| Wow! That was fast! I'm very grateful to all of you for your assistance and will now look into all the new information you have provided. |
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rickintokyo
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Posted - 16/09/2022 : 04:33:48
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Hi ToreL! Thanks for clarification of spellings of Olsen and Olson. In that the Norwegian records use "Olsen" I think I'll change the spelling in my family tree. One thing that still has me stumped is that according to my grandmother's written history, "Ole Olson [sic] died shortly after coming to America." That's rather vague and I have yet to find any evidence recording his death, which presumably would have then been in Urness, Douglas County, Minnesota, but the Ole Olsen Moe born in 1818 I see in matched records shows his death to have been Feb. 7, 1906.
Are the names "Sidsel" and "Sissel" also interchangeable, like Olsen and Olson? |
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AntonH
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AntonH
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Posted - 16/09/2022 : 21:44:13
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One of the other children linked to Ole J Moe is Sisilia Moe. This is likely Sisillia. Parents are Ole O Moe and Ingrid Moe.
Cecilie Moe
in the U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Church Records, 1781-1969Name: Cecilie Moe
Baptism Age: 0
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 30 Nov 1876
Baptism Date: 28 Jan 1877
Baptism Place: Evansville and Garfield, Minnesota, USA
Father:
Ole O Moe
Mother:
Ingrid Moe
Church Name: West Moe Lutheran
Church Location: Brandon, Minnesota
Witnesses are Albert Barsness, Ole Moe, Karen Barsness and Regine Thoresen.
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/1268634:60722\ |
Edited by - AntonH on 17/09/2022 01:59:59 |
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rickintokyo
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Posted - 17/09/2022 : 02:25:08
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It is rather confusing as I tend to doubt that the Ole Olsen Moe born in 1810 is my great-great-grandfather for a couple of reasons. First of all, the written family record I have from my grandmother indicates that Ole Olson emigrated to America with 4 children and that he died "shortly after arriving in America. The prominently displayed Ole Olsen Moe lived until 1906. Looking through so many records, I realized that there were several Moe families who emigrated to Minnesota with many settling in Douglas county, so while the family name is the same, I don't think we are related. I think to be on the safe side perhaps I should not use the Ole Olsen Moe who lived a long life and instead hold off on entering that side of the family with my great-grandfather. The information I've been able to get for him jives with the written family record I have.
Once again, a big "thank you" to everyone for helping me try to find answers to my questions! |
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AntonH
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rickintokyo
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Posted - 17/09/2022 : 05:28:18
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| Thanks for the additional information. |
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ToreL
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Norway
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Posted - 17/09/2022 : 13:03:27
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The part of the Geni tree that we have found, is an odd mixture of high quality data and garbage. (Each profile has a tab that takes you to the history of changes being made to the profile, and in this case you can see there has been a merge between different profiles, and several different users have supplied their good opinions.) The photos may belong to the first category, but you never know.
You say there were four children, but one died before emigration. There is an obvious candidate in the tree; Olena born 1848. Here is the baptism. And here is the burial. |
Edited by - ToreL on 17/09/2022 13:15:41 |
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