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AntonH
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johanAronsen63
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 Posted - 12/10/2022 : 04:36:24
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| Yes, but I cannot find Karen Lovise Øhrn (b. Nilsdatter Eliesen, according to marriages and births)’s parents. I don’t know where she was born although according to her death record, she was born in about 1784. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 12/10/2022 : 12:27:26
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| I'm not sure if this was dealt with in one of your other topics on Karen but here's a possible explanation of why she is sometimes Nilsen and sometime Eliasen. Perhaps her father was Nils Elias whatever patronymic and that is why and how her name became confused. You see this happen with other sorts of compound first names such as Karl Johan, sometimes the people's patronymic becomes a klunky Karl Johansen or sometimes Karlsen or sometimes Johansen. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 12/10/2022 : 12:35:17
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Here is one source for the Arendahl birthplace:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/6/pc00000001136410
This is from the 1765 census of silver workers. This Nils is assigned H. for middle or patronymic. There is a Nils Hansen Ohrn in 1759 and 1760 in Bragernes (in Drammen) acting as godparent. One of the fathers of the baptized is Jorgen Ohrn. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 12/10/2022 12:41:37 |
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AntonH
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AntonH
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Posted - 12/10/2022 : 21:27:37
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Probably the baptism record for Maren in 1733. Birth is Jan 1, baptism is March 1.
Maren Knudsen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Maren Knudsen
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 01 Jan 1733
Baptism Place: Modum, Buskerud, Norway
Father:
Knud Jonsson
FHL Film Number: 124042
Nr. 101
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061220650145 |
Edited by - AntonH on 12/10/2022 21:48:49 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 12/10/2022 : 22:05:38
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Yes, but I cannot find Karen Lovise Øhrn (b. Nilsdatter Eliesen, according to marriages and births)’s parents. I don’t know where she was born although according to her death record, she was born in about 1784.
Yes that is a tough one.
There is a tree on Ancestry.com. I post it here but I have not been able to find any sources that would indicate that the tree has really found the parents of Karen.
Karen Lovise Nilsdr Eliasdr
1784–1847
BIRTH 1784
DEATH 13 OCT 1847
Parents are listed as
Nils Pedersen
1723–
BIRTH 1723
DEATH Unknown
Astrid Bertelsdatter
1751–
BIRTH 1751
DEATH Unknown |
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AntonH
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Posted - 12/10/2022 : 22:08:40
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Here is what I have found on Astri so far.
Astrid Bertelsdatter
in the 1801 Norway Census
Name: Astrid Bertelsdatter
Gender: Kvinnelig
Marital Status: Gift (Married)
Age: 50
Birth Year: abt 1751
Census year: 1801
City: Eiker
County: Buskerud
County Number: 06
Counting District: Stubberud
Counting District Number: 0231
Enumeration District Number: 001
Relation to Head: Hustru (Wife)
House Number: 01
Household Members Age Relationship
Nils Pedersen
78 Huusfader (Head)
Astrid Bertelsdatter 50 Hustru (Wife)
Karen Nilsdatter
16 Børn (Child)
Peer Nilsen
12 Børn (Child)
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/289390:61749
The Karen in the census was born about 1785 so perhaps it is just a shot in the dark by the Tree Owner.
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AntonH
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jkmarler
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Posted - 12/10/2022 : 22:26:30
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There appear to be two transcriptions of the same family or two families with the same or very similar names in the 1801 census. One has Karen and Per and the other has Peder and Kari
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058275006924
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058285002276
A Familysearch constructed tree gives a birthplace of Norderhov to Peder.and another a marriage place for the parents as Krodsherad.
This book has a reference to Astrid Bertelsdatter in it:
Tittel
Skogerboken : herredets historie m.v
Redaktør
Rustad, Anton B.
Publisert
no:[s.n.], 1931
Of course only open to Norwegian IP addresses.
Marriage 11 March 1781 between soldier Nils Pedersen and Astrid Bertelsdatter right page left column:
Sigdal kirkebøker, SAKO/A-245/F/Fa/L0002: Parish register (official) no. I 2, 1778-1792, p. 353-354
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070312630319
The brother Peder Nielsen Stubberud confirmation # 9 far right column on right page:
Skoger kirkebøker, SAKO/A-59/F/Fa/L0001: Parish register (official) no. I 1, 1746-1814, p. 140
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070402610140
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AntonH
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Posted - 13/10/2022 : 01:54:59
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The Ancestry link has the original Census Record. It fits completely with the first link you have posted above. The second is similar but differs in names. For example first link has a Ole Walders and Gorro Joensdatter both 74.
Second link has Ole Olsen and Gore Jonsdatter both 74.
I think you should be able to see the original in this link.
https://u.cubeupload.com/AntonHagelee/ScreenShot20221012at.png |
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AntonH
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jkmarler
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Posted - 13/10/2022 : 16:56:05
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The brother Peder's baptism is listed in the record with this citation:
"Norway Baptisms, 1634-1927", database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NHNZ-CMQ : 23 June 2020), Peder, 1790. And this transcription:
Name Peder
Sex Male
Christening Date 1 Jan 1790
Christening Place Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway
Father's Name Niels Pedersen
Father's Sex Male
Mother's Name Astri Bertelsdr
Mother's Sex Female
Event Type Christening
But the Digitalarkivet online records don't give any reference to baptisms after1789 until 1793. |
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AntonH
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AntonH
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Posted - 13/10/2022 : 17:12:34
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I can also find the baptism record for Peder in the Ancestry.com data base, but I do not find any other children for Niels and Astri in the 1782 to 1792 time frame
Peder Nilsen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Peder Nilsen
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 01 Jan 1790
Baptism Place: Norderhov,Buskerud,Norway
Father:
Niels Pedersen
Mother:
Astri Bertelsdr
FHL Film Number: 124052
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/3244369:60092 |
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*Johan’s genealogical study #3*
