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PCwray1990
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 Posted - 13/01/2023 : 18:56:29
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Hello! Thanks for reading this.
I am researching my late grandmothers family. My gran was born in London 1940, to Edgar Linden. He was born 1882 to Antoinette Hansen (from Halden, Norway) and Chrysanthus Spettel (from Prussia).
I've made some good progress on the tree to date but im really struggling to break down some brick walls im coming across at the moment so reaching out for some help or guidance.
Antoinette was born 1850 in Halden, Ostfold. Her father was Hans Andreas Hansen and her mother Else Dorthea Pedersdatter. I believe Hans Andreas was born 1819 to Hans Arvesen and Elisabeth Gundersdatter. I found a marriage for Hans and Elisabeth which gave a birth date for Hans and then i was able to track down one individual who matched. Hans Arvesen born 1797 to Arve Nielsen and Anne Simonsdatter. Through Anne Simonsdatter i believe my tree to be linked to the Grinder farm in Aremark which has allowed me to use the book "Slekten Fra Grinder I Aremark" to trace this line back to the 1600s. Unfortunately, the book traces a line that doesnt lead to my direct ancestors, focusing instead on a great uncles line down to the 1940s.
As a result, i have as of yet been unable to find anything on Hans Arvesen's brothers - Simon, Peder and Niels. I'm hoping to be able to trace these lines down in order to find a DNA link to confirm this family line. Interestingly though I believe Hans Arvesen's other child - a daughter Elen Andrine (born 1821) married into the Elvestad family and one of her descendants was journalist Karl Elvestad. The brothers however, are my first brickwall.
My second brickwall is the maternal line of Antoinette Hansen. I know her mother was Else Dorthea Pedersdatter. Her marriage to Hans Andreas Hansen records her coming from Berg and i was able to find a matching record in Berg. Else born to Peder Pedersen and Christina Olsdatter. I searched for a marriage record in the digital arkive for this couple and came across one in 1817. It lists Peder's residence as Vohlen and Christina's as Svegaard. Given how common Peder Pedersen as a name is i am reluctant to follow hints on ancestry, findmypast etc. A search for Vohlen has returned no similar records for Peder and Svegaard has returned nothing for Christina. The marriage record i found also did not show parents names so i have no way of moving past these guys!
Any guidance here would be massively appreciated - sorry for the long post!
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AntonH
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PCwray1990
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jkmarler
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AntonH
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Posted - 13/01/2023 : 20:02:49
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So here is the Ancestry baptism record for Else
Elfse Dorthea Pedersd
in the Norway, Church Records, 1812-1938
Name: Elfse Dorthea Pedersd
Gender: Kvinnelig
Baptism Age: 0
Record Type: dåp (Baptism)
Birth Date: 8 okt 1821 (8 Oct 1821)
Baptism Date: 21 okt 1821 (21 Oct 1821)
Baptism Place: Berg, Østfold, Norge (Norway)
Baptism Municipality: Berg
Father:
Peder Pedersen
Mother:
Christine Olsdat
Nr. 35
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061013020273
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Edited by - AntonH on 13/01/2023 20:07:13 |
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PCwray1990
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Posted - 13/01/2023 : 20:11:44
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Thank you for the possible Peders and Christines - certainly gives me some bits to look at.
Patronymic and address based surnames are cool but when people start moving to new farms and naming their children after themselves it can be a bit of a minefield. |
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AntonH
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jkmarler
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Posted - 13/01/2023 : 20:24:55
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Else Dorothe Pedersdatter's 2nd marriage #12:
Halden prestekontor Kirkebøker, SAO/A-10909/F/Fa/L0006: Ministerialbok nr. I 6, 1845-1856, s. 318
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060330010822
2 Pederson named men are the bondsmen / witnesses:
Hans Pedersen and sailor Carl Pederson |
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AntonH
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PCwray1990
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Posted - 13/01/2023 : 20:36:10
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| Thank you - Berg would make sense given where Else was born - they ended up in Idd afterwards. Perhaps Vohlen was in Berg. |
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AntonH
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Posted - 13/01/2023 : 20:44:58
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The Peder born in 1791 has the farm name of Svalsgaard.
Look at the original record about seven down left column
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061011050573 |
Edited by - AntonH on 13/01/2023 20:46:30 |
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PCwray1990
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Posted - 13/01/2023 : 21:25:45
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I had a look on a wiki page that someone has populated with Farm names from Ostfold.
These are the closes two i can find to Vohlen:
124 Volen Ømark Aremark Smaalenenes 124 Volen Øymark Østfold
97 Vølen Trøgstad Trøgstad Smaalenenes 97 Aamodt Lille Trøgstad Østfold
Im wondering if the farm name against Christine is Svegaard - its so hard to make out.
Based on the above farms perhaps it is Aremark and my Peder Pedersen is one of the twins - ill trace these lines down as far as i can and see if i can find a match |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 14/01/2023 : 06:03:49
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Here is a child born in Aremark to a Peder Pedersen and Christine Olsdatter in 1817:
Aremark prestekontor Kirkebøker, SAO/A-10899/F/Fc/L0001: Parish register (official) no. III 1, 1814-1834, p. 23-24
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060604030017
I guess I agree the farm for Christine looks more like Sogaard to me than Svegaard #5 in 1817:
Aremark prestekontor Kirkebøker, SAO/A-10899/F/Fc/L0001: Parish register (official) no. III 1, 1814-1834, p. 4-5
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060604030167
Else's birth baptism record has their "address" as Tistedahlen #37:
Berg prestekontor Kirkebøker, SAO/A-10902/G/Ga/L0001: Klokkerbok nr. I 1, 1815-1832, s. 118-119
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061013010100
Here is Peder Pedersen wife and daughter Gunild moving in to Berg #17-19 right page:
Berg prestekontor Kirkebøker, SAO/A-10902/G/Ga/L0001: Klokkerbok nr. I 1, 1815-1832, s. 610-611
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061013010345
Else leaving Berg for Fredrikstad 19 July 1840 #21:
Berg prestekontor Kirkebøker, SAO/A-10902/F/Fa/L0003: Parish register (official) no. I 3, 1832-1842, p. 313
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061013030146
Possible Gunille Pedersdatter #24 confirmation (ripple parents are assigned Hansen and Hansdatter for their patronymics)
Berg prestekontor Kirkebøker, SAO/A-10902/F/Fa/L0003: Parish register (official) no. I 3, 1832-1842, p. 216
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061013030061
Gunild Marie Pedersdatter #[1]7 confirmation:
Berg prestekontor Kirkebøker, SAO/A-10902/F/Fa/L0003: Parish register (official) no. I 3, 1832-1842, p. 221
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061013030066
Else's confirmation # 22
Berg prestekontor Kirkebøker, SAO/A-10902/F/Fa/L0003: Parish register (official) no. I 3, 1832-1842, p. 246
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061013030091
Christine Albertine #28 birth baptism:
Berg prestekontor Kirkebøker, SAO/A-10902/F/Fa/L0002: Parish register (official) no. I 2, 1815-1831, p. 163
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061013020367
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jkmarler
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Posted - 14/01/2023 : 07:38:23
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The Arvesens in Idd in 1801 appear to be your family:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058197000415
#4 birth bapt Simon:
Aremark prestekontor Kirkebøker, SAO/A-10899/F/Fa/L0002: Ministerialbok nr. I 2, 1745-1795
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061018020661
There are 4 Nielsen Nielsdatter names in the faddere
#23 Niels
Aremark prestekontor Kirkebøker, SAO/A-10899/F/Fa/L0002: Ministerialbok nr. I 2, 1745-1795
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061018020650
Again 4 Nielsen / Nielsdtr names in the faddere
#2 Hans
Aremark prestekontor Kirkebøker, SAO/A-10899/F/Fa/L0004: Ministerialbok nr. I 4, 1796-1814, s. 10
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061018030012
2 Nielsen names in the faddere
#18 Peder
Aremark prestekontor Kirkebøker, SAO/A-10899/F/Fa/L0002: Ministerialbok nr. I 2, 1745-1795
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061018020655
4 Nielsen / Nielsdatter names in the faddere
Anne Simonsdatter and Arve Nielsen marriage #19 last entry right page:
Aremark prestekontor Kirkebøker, SAO/A-10899/F/Fa/L0003: Ministerialbok nr. I 3, 1745-1795, s. 138
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061018020768
Anne is listed as on Grinder and Arve as Storer or Slorer, Arve is also a soldier
probably death of Arve Nielsen in Fredrikshald :
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHK-Q3PG-M8JJ?cc=4237104&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3A68SY-B93D |
Edited by - jkmarler on 14/01/2023 09:00:51 |
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