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PCwray1990
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 Posted - 16/01/2023 : 21:09:36
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That does look like the right Simon and Niels.
I have found sometimes Simon is spelt Simen or transcribed incorrectly. I did find the below record which shows a SImon Arvesen marrying a Helene Olsdatter: 3rd from bottom on the right hand page.
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/7424/201
Dont recognise Misher as a residence but i cant see many other records for Simon Arvesens which makes me think it is him - right date etc.
Number 49 on this entry could be their Daughter - https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/7418/21
3rd Entry on the right also looks like the same family - perhaps another daughter - karen Andrine - https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/7425/16
No further record of the family after this until Simons death in 1843 which you kindly found.
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Edited by - PCwray1990 on 16/01/2023 21:09:58 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 17/01/2023 : 00:58:01
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Also at the archives site and possibly at familysearch.org.
At the archives main page: click on the 3 bars next to the word Menu, then click on "scanned archive". scroll down and click on browse parish registers in Norway. When the search engine loads in put the parish name you want to look at. I usually choose from the drop down menu to make sure the spelling is right, etc. You actually will want to look at both Aremark and O(o with the slash)ymark, there are number of records which can only be found in Oymark books. (I'm not able to type the o with slash for some reason. Another thing to know is the 3 special Norwegian letters not found in the English alphabet alphabetize after z.) Make sure you're set to English and from the list that populates after you click search you can choose records by service, date, etc.
Somebody has a family tree for your family at familysearch.org
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/MFSX-WX4 |
Edited by - jkmarler on 17/01/2023 16:11:32 |
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jkmarler
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PCwray1990
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Posted - 17/01/2023 : 20:57:50
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Thank you for sharing the original file.
I might be reading too much into this but this Christence/Christine was born in 1788 to Ole Hansen Berger and Anne Nielsdatter. Looking at their marriage (https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000010094837) she was living at Slorer. Slorer being where Arve Nielsen was born.
Arve Nielsen's son was Hans Arvesen whose own son went on to Marry Else Dorthea Pedersdr. Her mother was Christine Olsdr... do you think they could be the same person?
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PCwray1990
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Posted - 17/01/2023 : 21:05:43
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Scrap this - i think Christine in 1788 died in 1789.
Christence, may look like an option but i have found this marriage entry - https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000009749314 - looks like the witness is a Jonannes Grinder.
Not the same person, but it is another branch of the Grinder family i didnt know about at least. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 17/01/2023 : 21:37:04
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Yeah, your Christine was called pige (single woman or girl) when she married Peder Pedersen rather than enke (widow) or fraskilt (divorced) so probably can't be Christence because she had already been married.
Somedays you get the bear and somedays the bear gets you! |
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PCwray1990
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Posted - 20/01/2023 : 16:06:20
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Bear definitely got me with Christine Olsdr.
I'm going back to Hans Arvesen's parents - Arve Nielsen and Anne Simondstr. Anne is fairly easy to trace back because of the book about Grinder farm.
Arve is a little trickier, mainly because his father is Niels - presumably Niels Neilsen and there are many, many, many Niels Nielsens in Norway during the 1700-1800s.
Arve Parents are shown to be Niels Slorer on his birth entry in the records. 3rd on the first hand page. It doesnt seem to have transcribed a mother looks to me like Mari or Marthe Rod? Though the names are so interconnected with the witnesses its quite difficult to make out, 1761:
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/7461/84
I believe there might be a sister to the same marriage - the Anna that we discovered through the Christense Slorer. Her birth entry below, the very last entry on the first page. Again looks like Niels Slorer and either Mari or Marthe Rod. Transcription suggests Mari but the more im looking at this the more i think Marthe. 1765.
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/7461/103
I can find a marriage for a Niels Slorer and Mari? Niels Datter in 1756, 4th entry on the first page, again Mari is obscured but looks much more like Mari - no reference to Rod in her name but the witnesses are Brynnild and Niels Rod:
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/7462/78
There is another Niels Slorer marriage in 1750 to an Ingri Olsdatter. Brynnild is again a witness to the marriage - a search for Ingri in Slorer showed a death in 1756 so plausible that this Niels and the one marrying Mari in 1756 are one and the same:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000010092997
I then however, when doing a search for Marthe Nielsdr, came across this entry in marriages for a Marthe Niels Datter Slorer to a Niels Nielsen Rod - record seems to say this Niels Nielsen is Danish but it has confused me - could a Mari Rod really have married a Niels Slorer and a seperate Mari Slorer have married a niels Rod?? Bottom entry on the first page.
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/7462/67
I'm trying to understand which of Arve's parents were originally at Rod and which at Slorer. As they are both Nielsen or Nielsdatter it's proving tricky.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 20/01/2023 : 18:21:15
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| In the olden days, a child's mother might not be named in the baptismal record. The Rod names you mention are the faddere that is witnesses or godparents. Fadder are most often family or friends but sometimes just who was at the church that day. But since the names seem repeated in other records, my guess would be some sort of relative. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 20/01/2023 : 18:47:05
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Originally posted by PCwray1990
I then however, when doing a search for Marthe Nielsdr, came across this entry in marriages for a Marthe Niels Datter Slorer to a Niels Nielsen Rod - record seems to say this Niels Nielsen is Danish but it has confused me - could a Mari Rod really have married a Niels Slorer and a seperate Mari Slorer have married a niels Rod?? Bottom entry on the first page.
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/7462/67
Interesting marriage record, not sure if I get it all. It appears that this Niels Nielsen Rod is a Dane (at least my translator says that) and that he is a widower which we see by the line below Martha's name which says "til hans afdode hustru Kari Rime" to his deceased wife Kari Rime. I wonder if she is a relative of his late wife? Curious |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 20/01/2023 : 18:56:24
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Originally posted by PCwray1990
There is another Niels Slorer marriage in 1750 to an Ingri Olsdatter. Brynnild is again a witness to the marriage - a search for Ingri in Slorer showed a death in 1756 so plausible that this Niels and the one marrying Mari in 1756 are one and the same:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000010092997
This entry is a little bit catty. Niels is a bachelor who is marrying Ingri who is described as (looks like to me) gammel enke, meaning old widow. Since it's such a note perhaps it was a May-December type of wedding? They were engaged on 8 Oct 1750 and married on 6 Jan 1751.
Marriages, a lot of the time, are not romantic affairs but have a "business" component. Maybe Ingri had right to a farm that Niels wanted to own or have access to which the marriage could secure or enhance his right to have it.
If she died in 1756, he didn't have too long to wait for his investment. |
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PCwray1990
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Posted - 21/01/2023 : 01:37:32
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I shouldnt find that funny but there is something quite soap opera about the whole marriage!
I came to the same conclusion about the Dane Niels - pointing me to the other Niels being my guy, perhaps the Danish Niels becomes his brother in law and Marthe is his sister.
Interesting in any case. |
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PCwray1990
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