Hey, Frank Tranby's uncle Tranby (b. 1938) and my granduncle Simon (b. 1942) share 23cm and are likely 5th cousins. They share the same DNA matches through Aasa Tostensdatter Rishovd (b.1781 d 1861), so I am fairly certain that their DNA matched through her or her parents. With that being said, most of his research looks fine, on Ole Bjørnsen Kittelsbye (b. Abt. 1814)/Mari Olsdatter Støveren's (b Abt. 1812) daughter Anne Olsdatter Kittelsby and her husband Neils Erickson Tranby. So I would like to start with deeper research on Mari Olsdatter Støveren. Perhaps we start by backtracking Mari Olsd and manage to connect her to Aasa Tostensd as Jackie had done previously.
And there is more than one Mari Olsdatter Ole Bjornsen couples in Norderhov marriages. Here is another marriage (the birthdates match the tree's more closely but not the farms) # 3 in 1823: Norderhov kirkebøker, SAKO/A-237/G/Ga/L0003: Klokkerbok nr. I 3 /2, 1814-1876, s. 406-407 Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070314610660
Mari born 1812 in Norderhov: right page 2nd from bottom Mari daughter of Ole Paulsen Stoveren and Sisel Olsdatter Norderhov kirkebøker, SAKO/A-237/F/Fa/L0007: Parish register (official) no. 7, 1812-1814, p. 1 Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070313660457
Mari daughter of Ole Pungerud? and Maria Christensdatter Norderhov kirkebøker, SAKO/A-237/F/Fa/L0007: Parish register (official) no. 7, 1812-1814 Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070313660456
Left page Mari daughter of Ole Andersen Knaestang and Mari Engebretsdatter Norderhov kirkebøker, SAKO/A-237/F/Fa/L0007: Parish register (official) no. 7, 1812-1814, p. 8 Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070313660464
Of these 3 the one who married Ole Bjornsen Kittilsbye is Mari Olsdatter Stovern.
Can you read anything out of the 1891 Census that you provided? That is the last record that I find about Mari. She must have died not many years later correct?
#9 under Kittelsbye 1865 Census Ole Bjørnsen Mari Olsdatter Ole Olsen 16 Birth Date 1849 Edebart Olsen 11 Birth Date 1854 Gunhild Olsdatter 26 Birth Date 1839 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:DDZQ-J9MM
1875 Census Ole Bjørnsen Born: 1814 in Sigdals S. Og PR. Mari Olsdatter Born: 1812 in orderh. S. PR. Son: Ole Olsen 25 Birth Date 1850 Son: Edebart Olsen 20 Birth Date 1855 Index City: Kittilsbye Nordre https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/580982:61751?
#3 Ole Bjørnsen Kitilsby Birth: 28 Sep 1814 in Langerud I Sigdal Death: 22 Feb 1895 in Norderhov Hole Burial: 8 Mar 1895 in Norderhov I wouldn't assume that until after checking Hole records Is there additional information? It says something above his name, d]livoreman enkemand means he is getting support from the farm and is a widower Langerud i Sigdal and beneath Kittelsby that entry belongs to the next deceased person What is it saying in the last 4 columns? He died of alderdom, old age. A doctor was called for his last illness, I'm not sure what this says, the dodsfallprotocol is with the sherrif Nicolaison in Hole. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6832-QQCJ
Can you read anything out of the 1891 Census that you provided? That is the last record that I find about Mari. She must have died not many years later correct? Well you know she died between 1891 and 22 Feb 1895 since her husband is widowed.[/red]
#9 under Kittelsbye 1865 Census Ole Bjørnsen Mari Olsdatter Ole Olsen 16 Birth Date 1849 Edebart Olsen 11 Birth Date 1854 Gunhild Olsdatter 26 Birth Date 1839 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:DDZQ-J9MM
1875 Census Ole Bjørnsen Born: 1814 in Sigdals S. Og PR. Mari Olsdatter Born: 1812 in orderh. S. PR. Son: Ole Olsen 25 Birth Date 1850 Son: Edebart Olsen 20 Birth Date 1855 Index City: Kittilsbye Nordre https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/580982:61751?
With Støveren and 1812 mentioned so many times, do you think that your first find confirms Mari or can it still be one of the three, Jackie?
quote:Originally posted by jkmarler
Mari born 1812 in Norderhov: right page 2nd from bottom Mari daughter of Ole Paulsen Stoveren and Sisel Olsdatter Norderhov kirkebøker, SAKO/A-237/F/Fa/L0007: Parish register (official) no. 7, 1812-1814, p. 1 Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070313660457
Mari daughter of Ole Pungerud? and Maria Christensdatter Norderhov kirkebøker, SAKO/A-237/F/Fa/L0007: Parish register (official) no. 7, 1812-1814 Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070313660456
Left page Mari daughter of Ole Andersen Knaestang and Mari Engebretsdatter Norderhov kirkebøker, SAKO/A-237/F/Fa/L0007: Parish register (official) no. 7, 1812-1814, p. 8 Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070313660464
Of these 3 the one who married Ole Bjornsen Kittilsbye is Mari Olsdatter Stovern.
I think "your" Mari is the top one in the stack of 3. There are no birthdates and even her baptism is listed as "samme dag" same day. Not sure what the baptismal date is either. The last written out date is 5 April but there are two in between hers and that date of NB or something so not sure what that abbreviation is.
I just looked for Mari's confirmation thinking that sometimes a full birthdate is given in that record but alas! #15 right page: Norderhov kirkebøker, SAKO/A-237/F/Fa/L0008: Parish register (official) no. 8, 1814-1833, p. 756-757 Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070313670251
From Andreas Lageson's Ringerikske Slekter III page 344 tells this: Ole Pedersen Paulson Oppegaard or else Stoveren was born 1766 to parents Paul and Mari Oppegaard. In 1809 he was married with Sidsel Olsdatter Gronvold who was born 1785 on Overen in Lunder. They had many children of which 4 sons and 1 daughter who grew up. The sons are Paul, Erik, Elling and Anders who were on Stoveren and the daughter Mari married with Ole Bjornsen Kittelsby in Lunder.
Tittel: Ringerikske slekter : oplysninger om slekter og slektsgaarder. 3 : Slekter fra Norderhov hovedsogn Forfatter: Lagesen, A.
Ole Paulsen Oppegaard eller Støveren var født 1766 av forældre Paul og Mari Oppegaard. I 1809 blev han gift med Sidsel Olsdatter Grønvold, født 1785 paa Øveren i Lunder. De hadde flere barn, hvorav 4 sonner og 1 datter naade voksen alder. Sønnene var Paul, Erik, Elling og Anders, samtlige gaardbrukere paa Støveren, og datteren Mari, gift med Ole Bjørnsen Kittelsby, Lunder.
Ole Paulsen Oppegaard or Støveren was born in 1766 to parents Paul and Mari Oppegaard. In 1809 he was married to Sidsel Olsdatter Grønvold, born 1785 at Øveren in Lunder. They had several children, of whom 4 sons and 1 daughter reached adulthood. The sons were Paul, Erik, Elling and Anders, all farmers at Støveren, and the daughter Mari, married to Ole Bjørnsen Kittelsby, Lunder.
I 1845 delte Ole Støveren gaarden i to like store deler, hver av skyld 2. lisp. tunge eller, omsat i ny skyld, 2 dllr. 5 sk. Den ene del, løpe nr. 176 a, overdrog han sønnen Erik og en anden del, løpe nr. 176 b, sønnen Anders, begge deler for likestore kjøpesummer, 600 speciedaler og livøre. Livøret blev værdsat til 362 speciedaler og skulde svares med en halvdel av hver eiendom, saalænge livøretagerne levde. Begge døde som livørsfolk paar Støveren, han 1849 og hun 1855.
In 1845, Ole Støveren divided the farm into two equally large parts, each due to 2. lisp. tongue or, converted into new sake, 2 dllr. 5 sc. One part, run no. 176 a, he transferred to his son Erik and another part, run no. 176 b, to his son Anders, both parts for equal purchase sums, 600 speciedals and livery. The annuity was valued at 362 speciedals and was to be answered with one half of each property, as long as the beneficiaries lived. Both died as breadwinners at Støveren, he in 1849 and she in 1855.
Does that mean Ole Paulsen died in 1849 and Sidsel in 1855? I am not sure who he and she are referring to?
Name Sidsel Event Type Christening Event Date 29 Jan 1786 Event Place Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway Event Place (Original) Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway Sex Female Father's Name Ole Gronvold Mother's Name Ellene Knudsdr Sidsel
Ole Bjørnsen's birthplaces are listed as Sigdal Prestegjeld, which Ragnvald says:
"In earlier days there were many connections between farms and People in the parishes Nes and Sigdal. Parish (prestegjeld) was the main division in the Norwegian Church With the local Church in annexes (anneks, later sokn/sogn)."
Do you know which parishes were part of Sigdal prestegjeld?
quote:Originally posted by jkmarler #20 Ole Sigdal kirkebøker, SAKO/A-245/F/Fa/L0004: Ministerialbok nr. I 4, 1812-1815, s. 45 Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070312640119
This is the only entry, which makes sense to me:
Birth Places are listed as Sigdal Prestegjeld, which Ragnvald says: "In earlier days there were many connections between farms and People in the parishes Nes and Sigdal. Parish (prestegjeld) was the main division in the Norwegian Church With the local Church in annexes (anneks, later sokn/sogn)."
Do you know which parishes were part of Sigdal prestegjeld?
1865 Census:
1875 Census:
1865 Sigdals prestegjeld Norderhov
1875 Sigdals sogn and prestegjeld (spelled out abbreviations in original) Norderhov sogn and prestegjeld (spelled out abbreviations in original)
quote:Originally posted by jkmarler #20 Ole Sigdal kirkebøker, SAKO/A-245/F/Fa/L0004: Ministerialbok nr. I 4, 1812-1815, s. 45 Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070312640119
Your record is the only one, which makes sense to me. Do you think this is our Ole Bjørnsen?
I see it but I don't buy it until I know what the initials mean. Logically, if these records were recorded chronologically, 12 March wouldn't be after 5 April but up closer to 1 March (a date in the left column) on the page.
From Sigdal og Eggedals II page 360 under Langerud is a paragraph which says:
Bjorn Olsen who was married to an Anne Engebretsdatter have the last marriage at this place they lived at Langerud which they farmed. The children are 1. Ole born1805 died 1813 2. Marte b 1807 d 1808. 3. Marte b 1812 d 1813, 4 Ole b 1814. De flytted med eneste sonnen til Norderhov i 1830.
The last sentence says: They moved to Norderhov with the last son in 1830.
The last baptism on the left page: Norderhov kirkebøker, SAKO/A-237/F/Fa/L0005: Ministerialbok nr. 5, 1775-1789, s. 182 Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070313660184
Ole Bjørnsen's birthplaces are listed as Sigdal Prestegjeld, which Ragnvald says:
"In earlier days there were many connections between farms and People in the parishes Nes and Sigdal. Parish (prestegjeld) was the main division in the Norwegian Church With the local Church in annexes (anneks, later sokn/sogn)."
Do you know which parishes were part of Sigdal prestegjeld?
Yes, right page date August 19 in the left column the whole entry is near the middle of the page next to the word Lunder. Norderhov kirkebøker, SAKO/A-237/F/Fa/L0006: Ministerialbok nr. 6, 1789-1811, s. 171 Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070313660412
Ole Bjørnsen Kittelsbye/Mari Olsdatter Støveren
Posted - 22/01/2023 : 01:40:01
