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dylankylesimon
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 Posted - 22/01/2023 : 01:40:01
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Hey, Frank Tranby's uncle Tranby (b. 1938) and my granduncle Simon (b. 1942) share 23cm and are likely 5th cousins. They share the same DNA matches through Aasa Tostensdatter Rishovd (b.1781 d 1861), so I am fairly certain that their DNA matched through her or her parents. With that being said, most of his research looks fine, on Ole Bjørnsen Kittelsbye (b. Abt. 1814)/Mari Olsdatter Støveren's (b Abt. 1812) daughter Anne Olsdatter Kittelsby and her husband
Neils Erickson Tranby. So I would like to start with deeper research on Mari Olsdatter Støveren. Perhaps we start by backtracking Mari Olsd and manage to connect her to Aasa Tostensd as Jackie had done previously.
Jackie already provided everything for her children, and more here (Pages 4-6): http://www.norwayheritage.com/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7347&whichpage=4
What Jackie has found so far:
Marriage with Ole Bjørnsen Kittelsby on 18 OCT 1835 in Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070314630090
Anne Olsdatter's Kittelsby, Ole Bjørnsen Kittelsby and Mari Olsdatter on 16 JUL 1836 Baptism Record
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070314620707
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Well, the Marie Olsdatter who died in 1871 was single, never married when she died.
And here is the tree's Marie Olsdatter in the 1865 census:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038084000121
born about 1812 in Norderhov
Their marriage #51:
Norderhov kirkebøker, SAKO/A-237/F/Fa/L0009: Ministerialbok nr. 9, 1819-1837, s. 904-905
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070314630090
Also the marriage at familysearch, incorrectly indexed as Gud Marie Olsdatter. Gud is a misread of the abbreviation Gmd "farmer's daughter""
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-13PP-QCGR?cc=4237104&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3A683L-9ZGT
Birth / Baptism of some of the children of Ole Bjornsen Kittelsbye and Marie Olsdatter:
son Ole # 21:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-B3PP-SV9N?cc=4237104
daughter Anne #13 bd here definitely 16 July :
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-13PP-SV7X?cc=4237104
daughter Sisel #3:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-B3PP-SJTR?cc=4237104
daughter Gunnild #16:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHK-Q3PP-SV3N?cc=4237104
son Edebart #21:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-13PP-SVWV?cc=4237104
Marriages of children of Ole Bjornsen Kittelsbye:
daughter Anne Olsdatter Kittelsbye to Nub Eriksen Oppegaardeie
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHK-Q3PP-3J2W?cc=4237104
Daughter Sidsel to Andreas Narveson:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-13PP-3JYQ?cc=4237104
son Ole Olsen Kittelsbye to Mari Halvorsdatter Keev #33:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHK-93PP-QCSR?cc=4237104
And there is more than one Mari Olsdatter Ole Bjornsen couples in Norderhov marriages. Here is another marriage (the birthdates match the tree's more closely but not the farms) # 3 in 1823:
Norderhov kirkebøker, SAKO/A-237/G/Ga/L0003: Klokkerbok nr. I 3 /2, 1814-1876, s. 406-407
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070314610660
Ole Bjornsen in the 1891 census, receiving care from Kittelsby farm:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-L3NT-G9KB-Q?i=8639&cc=4067726&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3ADJR9-21MM
His wife Marie Olsdatter also in 1891 census:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-L3NT-G9X1-V?i=8640&cc=4067726
The son Ole Olsen Kittelsby's obit from the Minneapolis Tidende 1928:
https://www.nb.no/items/1c4082e8f45f5e21fde7ce3652b9d2b1?page=1&searchText=%22Ole%20Kittelsby%22
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Mari born 1812 in Norderhov:
right page 2nd from bottom Mari daughter of Ole Paulsen Stoveren and Sisel Olsdatter
Norderhov kirkebøker, SAKO/A-237/F/Fa/L0007: Parish register (official) no. 7, 1812-1814, p. 1
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070313660457
Mari daughter of Ole Pungerud? and Maria Christensdatter
Norderhov kirkebøker, SAKO/A-237/F/Fa/L0007: Parish register (official) no. 7, 1812-1814
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070313660456
Left page Mari daughter of Ole Andersen Knaestang and Mari Engebretsdatter
Norderhov kirkebøker, SAKO/A-237/F/Fa/L0007: Parish register (official) no. 7, 1812-1814, p. 8
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070313660464
Of these 3 the one who married Ole Bjornsen Kittilsbye is Mari Olsdatter Stovern.
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dylankylesimon
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jkmarler
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 22/01/2023 : 06:33:28
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Great Jackie! Good translation! Here is the death record of Mari!
Unfortunately no Birthday!
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6832-7W62
With Støveren and 1812 mentioned so many times, do you think that your first find confirms Mari or can it still be one of the three, Jackie?
quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler
Mari born 1812 in Norderhov:
right page 2nd from bottom Mari daughter of Ole Paulsen Stoveren and Sisel Olsdatter
Norderhov kirkebøker, SAKO/A-237/F/Fa/L0007: Parish register (official) no. 7, 1812-1814, p. 1
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070313660457
Mari daughter of Ole Pungerud? and Maria Christensdatter
Norderhov kirkebøker, SAKO/A-237/F/Fa/L0007: Parish register (official) no. 7, 1812-1814
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070313660456
Left page Mari daughter of Ole Andersen Knaestang and Mari Engebretsdatter
Norderhov kirkebøker, SAKO/A-237/F/Fa/L0007: Parish register (official) no. 7, 1812-1814, p. 8
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070313660464
Of these 3 the one who married Ole Bjornsen Kittilsbye is Mari Olsdatter Stovern.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 22/01/2023 : 13:00:49
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I think "your" Mari is the top one in the stack of 3. There are no birthdates and even her baptism is listed as "samme dag" same day. Not sure what the baptismal date is either. The last written out date is 5 April but there are two in between hers and that date of NB or something so not sure what that abbreviation is.
I just looked for Mari's confirmation thinking that sometimes a full birthdate is given in that record but alas! #15 right page:
Norderhov kirkebøker, SAKO/A-237/F/Fa/L0008: Parish register (official) no. 8, 1814-1833, p. 756-757
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070313670251
#20 Ole
Sigdal kirkebøker, SAKO/A-245/F/Fa/L0004: Ministerialbok nr. I 4, 1812-1815, s. 45
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070312640119
From Andreas Lageson's Ringerikske Slekter III page 344 tells this:
Ole Pedersen Paulson Oppegaard or else Stoveren was born 1766 to parents Paul and Mari Oppegaard. In 1809 he was married with Sidsel Olsdatter Gronvold who was born 1785 on Overen in Lunder. They had many children of which 4 sons and 1 daughter who grew up. The sons are Paul, Erik, Elling and Anders who were on Stoveren and the daughter Mari married with Ole Bjornsen Kittelsby in Lunder.
The Oppegaard family heritage is covered here:
https://www.nb.no/items/5faa5287658ff81b084543d61f3b09d6?page=0&searchText=%22Kittelsby%22
Again, for some reason beyond me o with slash cannot be made on this computer so are missing on Bjornsen, Overen, Stoveren, etc. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 22/01/2023 : 15:29:29
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| If you are at norgeskart.no for your maps you can see present boundaries of each farm by clicking on the see information on the farm tab. |
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 22/01/2023 : 18:09:15
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Tittel: Ringerikske slekter : oplysninger om slekter og slektsgaarder. 3 : Slekter fra Norderhov hovedsogn Forfatter: Lagesen, A.
Ole Paulsen Oppegaard eller Støveren var født 1766 av forældre Paul og Mari Oppegaard. I 1809 blev han gift med Sidsel Olsdatter Grønvold, født 1785 paa Øveren i Lunder. De hadde flere barn, hvorav 4 sonner og 1 datter naade voksen alder. Sønnene var Paul, Erik, Elling og Anders, samtlige gaardbrukere paa Støveren, og datteren Mari, gift med Ole Bjørnsen Kittelsby, Lunder.
Ole Paulsen Oppegaard or Støveren was born in 1766 to parents Paul and Mari Oppegaard. In 1809 he was married to Sidsel Olsdatter Grønvold, born 1785 at Øveren in Lunder. They had several children, of whom 4 sons and 1 daughter reached adulthood. The sons were Paul, Erik, Elling and Anders, all farmers at Støveren, and the daughter Mari, married to Ole Bjørnsen Kittelsby, Lunder.
I 1845 delte Ole Støveren gaarden i to like store deler, hver av skyld 2. lisp. tunge eller, omsat i ny skyld, 2 dllr. 5 sk. Den ene del, løpe nr. 176 a, overdrog han sønnen Erik og en anden del, løpe nr. 176 b, sønnen Anders, begge deler for likestore kjøpesummer, 600 speciedaler og livøre. Livøret blev værdsat til 362 speciedaler og skulde svares med en halvdel av hver eiendom, saalænge livøretagerne levde. Begge døde som livørsfolk paar Støveren, han 1849 og hun 1855.
In 1845, Ole Støveren divided the farm into two equally large parts, each due to 2. lisp. tongue or, converted into new sake, 2 dllr. 5 sc. One part, run no. 176 a, he transferred to his son Erik and another part, run no. 176 b, to his son Anders, both parts for equal purchase sums, 600 speciedals and livery. The annuity was valued at 362 speciedals and was to be answered with one half of each property, as long as the beneficiaries lived. Both died as breadwinners at Støveren, he in 1849 and she in 1855.
Does that mean Ole Paulsen died in 1849 and Sidsel in 1855? I am not sure who he and she are referring to?
- Familysearch suggests a date of 8 MAR 1812 for the record of yours (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NHNZ-MML),Digitalarkivet.no also suggests that here: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000011742917 ; https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000011742919
- Poul (Paul?) Olsen Baptism 9 DEC 1810 (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NHNC-3ZF) - https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8526/142
- Ole Olsen B 1 MAY 1816, Baptism 23 MAY 1816 (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NHNZ-L83) - https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/15933/15
- Erik Olsen Støveren B 11 FEB 1819 (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:683K-TRNM)
- Elling Olsen B 20 MAY 1821, Baptism 1 JUL 1821 (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NHFY-BC7) - https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8536/173
- Elling Olsen Støveren B 2 APR 1827 (https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/9243324:60606)
- Anders Olsen Støveren B 26 NOV 1823, Baptism 1 JAN 1824 (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:683K-TRZY)
Do you have a scanned version of this record?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NHNH-XWY
Name Sidsel
Event Type Christening
Event Date 29 Jan 1786
Event Place Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway
Event Place (Original) Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway
Sex Female
Father's Name Ole Gronvold
Mother's Name Ellene Knudsdr
Sidsel
Can you see the entry for Sissel Olsd and Ole Poulsen? Engagement 19 Aug 1809 and Marriage 03 Dec 1809?
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000002185295
Scanned: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8526/173
Norway Census, 1801 - Right side - Grønvold
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:8YMH-WKW2
Father? Ole Gulbrandsen
Mother? Elina Knutsdatter
Son? Elling Olsen 19 (B 1782)
Daughter? Sissel Olsd 17 (B 1784)
Daughter? Gunil Olsd 9 (B 1792)
Son? Gulbrand Olsen 6 (B 1795)
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 22/01/2023 : 19:22:28
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Ole Bjørnsen's birthplaces are listed as Sigdal Prestegjeld, which Ragnvald says:
"In earlier days there were many connections between farms and People in the parishes Nes and Sigdal. Parish (prestegjeld) was the main division in the Norwegian Church With the local Church in annexes (anneks, later sokn/sogn)."
Do you know which parishes were part of Sigdal prestegjeld?
1865 Census:
1875 Census:
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jkmarler
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Posted - 22/01/2023 : 20:05:57
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quote:
Originally posted by dylankylesimon
quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler
#20 Ole
Sigdal kirkebøker, SAKO/A-245/F/Fa/L0004: Ministerialbok nr. I 4, 1812-1815, s. 45
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070312640119
This is the only entry, which makes sense to me:
Birth Places are listed as Sigdal Prestegjeld, which Ragnvald says:
"In earlier days there were many connections between farms and People in the parishes Nes and Sigdal. Parish (prestegjeld) was the main division in the Norwegian Church With the local Church in annexes (anneks, later sokn/sogn)."
Do you know which parishes were part of Sigdal prestegjeld?
1865 Census:
1875 Census:
1865
Sigdals prestegjeld
Norderhov
1875
Sigdals sogn and prestegjeld (spelled out abbreviations in original)
Norderhov sogn and prestegjeld (spelled out abbreviations in original) |
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 22/01/2023 : 20:07:39
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quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler
#20 Ole
Sigdal kirkebøker, SAKO/A-245/F/Fa/L0004: Ministerialbok nr. I 4, 1812-1815, s. 45
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070312640119
Your record is the only one, which makes sense to me. Do you think this is our Ole Bjørnsen? |
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jkmarler
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jkmarler
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Posted - 22/01/2023 : 20:30:54
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From Sigdal og Eggedals II page 360 under Langerud is a paragraph which says:
Bjorn Olsen who was married to an Anne Engebretsdatter have the last marriage at this place they lived at Langerud which they farmed. The children are 1. Ole born1805 died 1813 2. Marte b 1807 d 1808. 3. Marte b 1812 d 1813, 4 Ole b 1814. De flytted med eneste sonnen til Norderhov i 1830.
The last sentence says: They moved to Norderhov with the last son in 1830. |
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jkmarler
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jkmarler
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Posted - 22/01/2023 : 20:41:29
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quote:
Originally posted by dylankylesimon
Ole Bjørnsen's birthplaces are listed as Sigdal Prestegjeld, which Ragnvald says:
"In earlier days there were many connections between farms and People in the parishes Nes and Sigdal. Parish (prestegjeld) was the main division in the Norwegian Church With the local Church in annexes (anneks, later sokn/sogn)."
Do you know which parishes were part of Sigdal prestegjeld?
1865 Census:
1875 Census:
Sigdal, Eggedal and Krodsherad |
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Ole Bjørnsen Kittelsbye/Mari Olsdatter Støveren
