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dylankylesimon
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 Posted - 06/02/2023 : 05:16:57
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Hey,
So a bit of an odd occurrence. Perhaps you all have an idea of what's going on here. Are these both twins or the same person, or what happened?
Else Marie Eriksen was born on 6 May 1923 in Modum, Buskerud, Norway
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:683J-VJ4F
At Ole Evensen Marigaardseie's Death Notice in 1924, Else Marie was listed, but no Erik Eriksen.
https://www.nb.no/items/9dfb3d2ebcf241f0e09a4c2f2a94c165?page=3&searchText=%22Else%20Marie%22
Ole Evensen, Anne Marie Evensen, Erika (Ole's daughter), and Oskar Eriksen's gravestone show Erik Eriksen as well with the date 6 May 1923 to 03 Mar 1943, same as listed here:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/433/pc00000004308309
Did Else Marie die? Erik clearly died according to the record and gravestone. But why was he not listed on Ole's death notice? The same birthday, plus that fact, makes me think that Else Marie is Erik, but I have no idea.
Else Marie was also not listed on her father Oskar Eriksen's death notice in 1971, only her brother Arne.
https://www.nb.no/items/b60d4ea3668784ca1e8e225a13f65b2b?page=9&searchText=%22Oskar%20Eriksen%22
https://www.nb.no/items/5097bdae7b5da824e0a10e1f04bfb418?page=5&searchText=%22Oskar%20Eriksen%22
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Edited by - dylankylesimon on 06/02/2023 05:35:54 |
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AntonH
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AntonH
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Posted - 06/02/2023 : 21:36:36
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I have paged through the same section of original records that I found Else Marie in but did not find a record for an Erik with parents named Oskar and Maren.
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051025051065
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AntonH
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AntonH
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Posted - 06/02/2023 : 22:21:47
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First impression is that it is very unlikely that there is a Eirk born 6 May 1823 in Heggum, Modum, Buskerud. If he was a twin of Else his baptism record would likely be in the same parish book as Else. I assume you have not found a record for his birth in Family Search. You have a Family Search baptism record for Else and Arne but not one in the Tree you posted above so I am assuming that you did not find one for an Erik in Family Search
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AntonH
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jkmarler
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Posted - 07/02/2023 : 00:07:30
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Well, we aren't able to look at a lot of records that might have something to reveal about Else. Her confirmation record might shed some light but confirmation after 1934 are marked as "privat" in the database.
So far I've been unable to find a newspaper death notice for her grandmother Anne Marie Eriksdtr or Evensen in which she might be mentioned.
Sex reassignment surgery from female to male was first discussed in medical circles about 1938 but it wasn't tried until 1959.
And another weird possibility is that Else Marie died and then they adopted a boy child and just gave him the same birthdate.
Do you have a picture of the family headstone on which they all appear?
The dodfallsprotokol for the grandmother in 1935 is closed and here is the dodfallsprotokol for Ole Evensen #59:
Modum lensmannskontor, SAKO/A-524/H/Ha/Hab/L0004: Dødsfallsprotokoll - Nordre Modum, 1917-1924
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk10081211020200
Probably the grandmother Anne Marie in the same death database that Erik Eriksen is found:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/433/pc00000004144113
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AntonH
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jkmarler
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Posted - 07/02/2023 : 00:47:23
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 07/02/2023 : 01:33:22
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I apologize. I wrote the thread in a rush. Thank you Anton and Jackie for researching. I found the original record for Else and Arne. I can provide anything else that is needed as I have found most of them. Correct Anton, I was not able to find Erik's baptism record in FamilySearch, Ancestry, or Digitalarkivet. The Link that you posted for Erik Eriksen (Berglund) is the same one that I provided above. The Link you posted for Maren Erika indicates that you would like to see her Ancestry Profile:
Ancestry Profile: https://ibb.co/4gw1k2W
Here is Oskar's newspaper clipping:
https://www.nb.no/items/5097bdae7b5da824e0a10e1f04bfb418?page=5&searchText=%22Oskar%20Eriksen%22
Here is her newspaper clipping. I didn't find the usual newspaper clipping that lists the family.
https://www.nb.no/items/a31c610b12e27b182658d8f5413d738b?page=1&searchText=%22Maren%20Erika%20Evensen%22
Here is the link (Ancestry) to the Death Entry for her grandmother Anne Marie Eriksdatter:
#9 Anne Marie Eriksdatter Evensen
Picture: https://ibb.co/Yj9y8dr
Name: Anne Marie Eriksdtr
Gender: Kvinnelig
Marital Status: Enke (Widow)
Age: 80
Birth Date: 30 Juli 1854
Residence: Modum
Death Date: 6 Mars 1935
Burial Place: Heggen Parish, Modüm, Norway
Line Number: 9
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/53530:62072
Anne's news clipping might be here, but I cannot access it:
https://www.nb.no/items/8ebab751e52e88b21acc246b12aca3d4?page=2&searchText=%22Marie%20Evensen%22
Ole's + Family Gravestone (In the process of getting a better picture):
https://slektogdata.no/gravminner/grav/7637d130-65d9-49c2-9008-d09ed58c14f6
A lot of records on Digitalarkivet are locked for me, but you can search
Norway, Death Registers, 1928-1941:
https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/62072/
As for your theories, I appreciate them, I think something along those lines is reasonable. I have looked pretty much everywhere for everything, but couldn't find much myself. That is in particular because I don't have a membership to many of the sites. What I found weird is that Else Marie wasn't on the combined grave, but Erik Eriksen was. You would expect both to be on there if they were two different people. She was listed in 1924 on the death notice of Ole, but perhaps died shortly after.
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Edited by - dylankylesimon on 07/02/2023 03:09:11 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 07/02/2023 : 02:20:48
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Intersting comments on the FAG page
Ole Evensen
in the Norway, Find a Grave™ Index, 1800s-Current
Name: Ole Evensen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 16 Sep 1846
Birth Place: Honefoss, Ringerike kommune, Buskerud fylke, Norway
Death Date: 30 Aug 1924
Death Place: Modum kommune, Buskerud fylke, Norway
Cemetery: Heggen Kirkegaard
Burial or Cremation Place: Modum kommune, Buskerud fylke, Norway
Has Bio?: Y
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Edited by - AntonH on 07/02/2023 02:23:01 |
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 07/02/2023 : 02:22:34
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quote:
Originally posted by AntonH
Intersting comments on the FAG page
Ole Evensen
in the Norway, Find a Grave™ Index, 1800s-Current
Name: Ole Evensen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 16 Sep 1846
Birth Place: Honefoss, Ringerike kommune, Buskerud fylke, Norway
Death Date: 30 Aug 1924
Death Place: Modum kommune, Buskerud fylke, Norway
Cemetery: Heggen Kirkegaard
Burial or Cremation Place: Modum kommune, Buskerud fylke, Norway
Has Bio?: Y
FAG
Anton, if you look at who created that page, you perhaps see that it was me :) |
Edited by - dylankylesimon on 07/02/2023 02:24:26 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 07/02/2023 : 02:24:32
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Well they are good comments even if you did them.  |
Edited by - AntonH on 07/02/2023 02:34:22 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 07/02/2023 : 02:35:45
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Question for you Dylan,
So the writing came directly from the newspaper article
"Min inderlig kjære mand, min snille far, svigerfar og bedstefar
fhv. baneform.
Ole Evensen
døde fredfuldt. 30. august 1924, 78 aar gammel
Vikersund, 2. septbr. 1924
Marie Evensen. Erika Eriksen , f. Evensen.
Oscar Eriksen. Else Marie.
Begravelsen foregaar fra hjemmet til Heggen kirke tirsdag 9. septbr. kl. 3. Samles kl 12.
Bekjendtgjøres kun paa denne maate." |
Edited by - AntonH on 07/02/2023 02:39:34 |
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Else Marie / Erik Eriksen
