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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 03/02/2023 : 22:52:13
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Enevald Gabrielsen is Martin Larsons sisters husband's cousin. So not related, but in the "family."
So if I follow the family trail here it looks like this.
Anna Gabrielsdater had a brother Ole Gabrielsen b 1854 died in Idaho
Their mother is Berthe Jorine Mauritzsdatter b 1821
Her brother is Gabriel Mauritzsen b 1823
He is the father of Enevald Gabrielsen b 1858.
Or looking at it like this
Maruritz Gabrielsen b 1793
Berthe Jorine Mauritsdatter b 1821
Anna Bertina Gabrielsdatter b 1846
Laurence Larson b 1869
Gabriel Maritzsen b 1823
Enevald Gabrielsen b 1858
I think that makes Enevald and Lawrence first cousins once removed? |
Edited by - AntonH on 03/02/2023 23:13:32 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 03/02/2023 : 23:35:05
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Tres bonne!
Not some cousin's sister-in-law's brother kind of relationship but definately closer and in the family.
The record mentioned is utflyttede the out migrating from a particular parish, in this case Hoyland. Most typical is the expectation that a person would be leaving the parish soon after their attested date in the parish register. But an Atlantic Ocean crossing in March is a very hazardous situation due to ice and storms and so fairly rare. Most common are April and May when the weather is warmer and calmer and will get you to America in time for spring planting and mid summer hay harvesting and fall harvest and quick employment.
What was the date on the Lawrence's passenger arrival? |
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AntonH
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TLars
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Posted - 04/02/2023 : 10:12:03
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Anna Gabrielsdater had a brother Ole Gabrielsen b 1854 died in Idaho
That's right, Brother/Sister married Brother/Sister. |
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TLars
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Posted - 04/02/2023 : 10:20:00
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I looked back through and I didn't see any notes on an Ane Marthea. Thoughts on this being the same family?
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/5365130:60606
Hopefully it opens for you. Born to a Martin Larson and Anna Gabrielsdatter in the same location in 1878. Born 17 May and baptized 7 July.
If it is true, I thought it could be the second M on the census. Though, she never made the voyage with the rest of the family. |
Edited by - TLars on 04/02/2023 15:36:26 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 04/02/2023 : 12:25:38
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Originally posted by TLars
I looked back through and I didn't see any notes on an Ane Marthea. Thoughts on this being the same family?
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/5365130:60606
Hopefully it opens for you. Born to a Martin Larson and Anna Gabrielsdatter in the same location in 1878. Born 17 May and baptized 7 July.
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Høyland sokneprestkontor, SAST/A-101799/001/30BA/L0011: Parish register (official) no. A 10, 1878-1888, p. 4
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070103310006
Same parents living on the same farm which name they used when they left Hægre or Hegre. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 04/02/2023 12:26:42 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 05/02/2023 : 02:43:44
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Quite likely that Ane Martha is a daughter of Martin and Anne Bertina. However she does not show up in the list of emigrants where she should slot between Elizabeth and John.
Also I have looked through the parish records to see if she may have died young. But I have not found any record for her. |
Edited by - AntonH on 05/02/2023 02:44:20 |
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TLars
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Posted - 07/02/2023 : 07:33:20
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TLars
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Posted - 07/02/2023 : 12:47:24
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Any guesses on what line 21830 has as the final destination? I believe that line, Ole G Malmin, is the same Ole as Lawrence's Uncle. It lists a person traveling to a Lauritz Malman as well. I haven't found another Lauritz in the tree yet so I think its Lawrence. I need more info and can't decipher the location. Or do you think maybe they just listed a name and never had intentions of going there? In 1910, Ole is in Idaho, but I don't think it says Idaho.
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/796836:8745?ssrc=pt&tid=71147122&pid=242445832806
In case my link doesn't work...
Massachusetts, U.S., Arriving Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1963
Name: Ole G Malmen
Gender: Male
Arrival Age: 48
Birth Date: abt 1854
Departure Place: Liverpool, England
Residence Place: Stavanger
Arrival Date: 13 Mar 1902
Arrival Place: Boston, Massachusetts, USA
Ship: Saxonia |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 07/02/2023 : 14:14:10
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Originally posted by TLars
Any guesses on what line 21830 has as the final destination? I believe that line, Ole G Malmin, is the same Ole as Lawrence's Uncle. It lists a person traveling to a Lauritz Malman as well. I haven't found another Lauritz in the tree yet so I think its Lawrence. I need more info and can't decipher the location. Or do you think maybe they just listed a name and never had intentions of going there? In 1910, Ole is in Idaho, but I don't think it says Idaho.
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/796836:8745?ssrc=pt&tid=71147122&pid=242445832806
In case my link doesn't work...
Massachusetts, U.S., Arriving Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1963
Name: Ole G Malmen
Gender: Male
Arrival Age: 48
Birth Date: abt 1854
Departure Place: Liverpool, England
Residence Place: Stavanger
Arrival Date: 13 Mar 1902
Arrival Place: Boston, Massachusetts, USA
Ship: Saxonia
He's going to Glendive Montana to his "niece" Lauretta Lauritz Malman |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 07/02/2023 : 14:29:45
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Originally posted by TLars
I'd like to add all these archive pages that Ancestry doesn't have access to into my tree. Do you think this is illegal or frowned upon?
No legal objection that I know of. To get the Norwegian archives version describing the record when you are looking at the image, press the button with the figure holding up its arms with the point in their ribs. This copies the description to your clipboard. It does not include any ordinal number of the record you wish to preserve but gives you a link to the whole page. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 07/02/2023 : 19:19:27
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I'd like to add all these archive pages that Ancestry doesn't have access to into my tree. Do you think this is illegal or frowned upon?
You will be fine adding archive pages to your Ancestry Tree. Most issues about copyright revolve around: is there money being made off the copyright infrigment. |
Edited by - AntonH on 07/02/2023 23:45:05 |
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AntonH
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 07/02/2023 : 19:54:58
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Wife Elizabeth and children arrived in 1905. Going to idaho.
Elisabeth Lanen Malmin
in the Massachusetts, U.S., Arriving Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1963
Name: Elisabeth Lanen Malmin
Gender: Female
Nationality: Norwegian
Arrival Age: 45
Birth Date: abt 1860
Departure Place: Liverpool, England
Residence Place: Norway
Arrival Date: 20 Sep 1905
Arrival Place: Boston, Massachusetts, USA
Ship: Ivernia
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/1188653:8745
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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9301 Posts |
Posted - 08/02/2023 : 00:18:10
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Ole G Malmin, is the same Ole as Lawrence's Uncle.
Very liklely correct.
This is probably that Ole
Ole Gabriel Gabrielson
1854–1945
BIRTH 7 SEPT 1854 • Raustad, Sandnes, Rogaland, Norway
DEATH 14 FEB 1945 • Boise, Ada, Idaho, USA
and his wife
Elisabet Larsdatr Salte
1851–1925
BIRTH 13 MAY 1851 • u. Store Salte, Klepp, Rogaland, Norway
DEATH 14 DEC 1925 • Ada
Ole is one of the many children of Gabriel Ommundsen and Bertha Jorine Maurtizdatterl.
And Elisabeth is the child of Lars Erikson Salte who is also the father of Martin Evenvald Larsen.
Around in the same circle again |
Edited by - AntonH on 08/02/2023 00:26:47 |
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