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dylankylesimon
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 Posted - 15/04/2023 : 19:19:40
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Hey,
My 5th cousin 1x removed reached out to me today. She is trying to find out more about her great-great-grandfather Johan Ludvig Ottesen, father of Marius Peter Ottesen, and Johan's brothers. Since I have limited time, I have also posted everything that I got so far. I will dedicate some more time all of this in the next week, unless you all beat me to it.
Main Questions:
- When and Where did Johan die?
- When and Where did Alfred die?
When and Where did Malkolm die?
Baptism Record:
Name: Marius Peter
Birth: 16 Oct 1883
Father: Johan Ludvig Ottesen
Mother: Emilie Larsen
Baptism: 26 Oct 1883 in Oslo
Emigration Record:
Name: Johan Ludvig Ottosson
Birth: 10 Jun 1855 in Lur, Göteborg och Bohus (Västra Götaland), Sverige (Sweden)
Departure: 10 Jul 1877 from Lur, Göteborg och Bohus (Västra Götaland), Sverige (Sweden)
Arrival at Fredrikstad, Norway
Marital Status: Single
Death: ?
Baptism Record:
Name: Johan Ludwig Ottoson
Baptism: 15 Jun 1855 in Lur, Göteborg och Bohus (Västra Götaland), Sverige (Sweden)
Father: Otto Johannesson
Mother: Abela Johanna Andersdr
She said that she has heard for years that he died at the Cape of Good Hope in 1890. Johan Ludvig was Ebba's godfather on 10 May 1891 and in the appendix it says that he traveled to Boston on 14 July 1891. I do not know who Sofia is.
1st Brother Alfred Ottesen:
Birth: 24 Nov 1860 in Lur, Göteborg och Bohus (Västra Götaland), Sverige (Sweden)
Father: Otto Johannesson
Mother: Abla Johanna Andeersdotter
No additional information, other than that he traveled to the USA on 30 March 1888.
2nd Brother Olaf Ferdinand Ottesen:
Birth: 22 Oct 1863 in Lur, Göteborg och Bohus (Västra Götaland), Sverige (Sweden)
Father: Otto Johansson
Mother: Abla Johanna Andersdotter
Traveled to the USA under the name Ferdinand Johnson in Sep 1884.
Death: 11 Apr 1929 in Sterling, Whiteside, Illinois, USA
https://ibb.co/0hDn0qZ
Two daughters: Myrtle and Hazel.
No additional information.
3rd Brother Malkom Edvin Blom (born Ottosson)
Birth: 22 Jul 1866 in Lur, Göteborg och Bohus (Västra Götaland), Sverige (Sweden)
1st Departure: 9 Apr 1886 from Lur, Göteborg och Bohus (Västra Götaland), Sverige (Sweden)
Arrival at Christiania, Norway
Marital Status: Single
2nd Departure: 7 Sep 1888 from Göteborg och Bohus (Västra Götaland), Sverige (Sweden)
Arrival at Hull, England
3rd Departure: 222 Aug 1895 to Washington, USA with wife Mina Alette Jansdatter and 4 children Astrid Ophelia Blom, Harry Marinius Emil Blom, Ebba Undrine Blom, and Ingrid Blom.
Astrid Ophelia Blom
Birth: 3 Oct 1886
Baptism: 11 Apr 1887 in Oslo
Father: Malkom Blom
Mother: Mina Johnson
Astrid Oliveri
Death: 31 Dec 1970 in Silver Spring, Montgomery, Maryland
Harry Marinius Emil Blom
Birth: 2 Jul 1889
Baptism: 11 Aug 1889 in Oslo
Harry Emil Blom
Death: 23 Nov 1939 in Washington, D.C.
Ebba Undine Blom
Birth: 3 Mar 1891 in Oslo
Death: 3 Feb 1892 in Oslo
Ingrid Blom
Birth: 1892/1893
Departure: 22 Aug 1895
Destination: Washington, D.C.
Lived in Washington, D.C. in 1913
No additional information.
4th Brother Martin Ottesen
Birth: 2 Feb 1869 in Lur, Göteborg och Bohus (Västra Götaland), Sverige (Sweden)
Father: Otto Johansson
Mother: Abela Joha Andersdotter
Death: 27 Jan 1952 in Wisconsin, Jackson, Minnesota, USA
Married to Elise Benson there and had 4 boys.
No additional information.
Last, some notes from her:
Johan may have traveled to the US with the name Johnson since that name was used in the census (appendix) and when Ferdinand died. I am unsure of the name Ottesen. My great-grandfather's name was Ottesen, but they all came from Sweden and there they have different spellings. (Ottoson, Ottosson).
Thanks,
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Edited by - dylankylesimon on 16/04/2023 17:58:22 |
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 15/04/2023 : 20:37:04
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Her answers so far to those questions are:
When and where did Johan die?
My great-great-grandfather Johan has disappeared without a trace. Everyone who searches his family says that he died in 1890 at the Cape of Good Hope in South Africa. Well I think he didn't. He stands as godfather on 10 May 1891 and traveled to the USA on 24 July 1891. I do not know where and when he died.
When and where did Alfred die?
I have nothing on Alfred. Only that he traveled to the USA on March 30, 1888. I have searched all I can and can't find anything on him.
When and where did Malcolm die?
I think Malkolm died in 1913, but I'm a little unsure. His wife Mina Alette I believe died in 1940 and was buried "Sioux City, Woodbury County, Iowa, USA" These are uncertain sources, but the only ones I have to start from.
This family has sunk into the ground. These are hard to find since they changed their names when they emigrated. I'll look through the papers to see if I can find anything else there. If so, I'll scan and send over.
Comment (Me): 1890 in South Africa is certainly wrong, since he appears on the 1891 census below with his son and her great-grandfather Marius Petter. So given that the Digital Archive does not show immediately anything after this census, he could have certainly traveled or emigrated to the USA, like his siblings.
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 15/04/2023 : 20:51:15
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Also, here is the 1 January 1891 Norway Census:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052721120437
- Ludvig Ottersen (Head)
- Emilie Ottersen (Wife)
- Julie Josefine Ottersen (Daughter)
- Marius Petter Ottersen (Son)
- Maggi Alvilde Ottersen (Daughter)
- Otto Ludvig Ottersen (Son)
Here are the Swedish Emigration Records for the Destined to Boston Travel:
Name J L Ottosson
Birth Year abt 1855 (36)
Place of Origin Norge
Destination Boston
Record Date 24 jul 1891
Port of Departure Göteborg
Database Name EmiHamn
Archive Call Number 45:569:42021
Traveling Companion M
Principal Person Ottosson J L
Sweden, Emigration Registers, 1869-1948
https://ibb.co/qpwxgM2
Gothenburg, Sweden, Passenger Lists, 1869-1951
https://ibb.co/Sym1vT5
Likely S/S Ariosto from Gothenburg (Göteborg), Sweden to Hull (Kingston upon Hull, Yorkshire, England). Arrival in Hull or Boston is not confirmed.
One candidate:
Name J H Ottoson
Age 36
Birth Date abt 1855
Birth Place Sweden
Departure Place Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Residence Place Sweden
Arrival Date 9 Aug 1891
Arrival Place Boston, Massachusetts, USA
Ship Cephalonia
https://ibb.co/8bFX3VN |
Edited by - dylankylesimon on 15/04/2023 21:58:42 |
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jkmarler
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jkmarler
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Posted - 15/04/2023 : 22:40:08
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Ingrid M Blom died 6 Feb 1913 probably Washington DC. Memorial published in Evening Star (Washington D.C.) on 6 Feb 1915
Birth / baptism of No. 1 Ebba Undine Blom #97
Grønland prestekontor Kirkebøker, SAO/A-10848/F/Fa/L0009: Ministerialbok nr. 9, 1888-1893, s. 14
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060929020459
Birth / baptism of daughter No. 2 Ebba Undine Blom # 104
Grønland prestekontor Kirkebøker, SAO/A-10848/F/Fa/L0009: Ministerialbok nr. 9, 1888-1893, s. 239
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060929020688
Skomagermt Ludvig Ottesen was fadder.
Death of daughter Ebba Undine Blom #386:
Oslo skifterett, SAO/A-10383/G/Ga/Gaa/L0015: Dødsfallsprotokoll, 1890-1892, p. 174
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk20090513370176
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 15/04/2023 : 23:00:04
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Okay, since I live right here, I will drive over there and take a picture of the lot real quick. Appreciate Jackie!
Did not find a gravestone where it suppose to be, so I assume it’s unmarked.
However, I did find all of Malcolm Edwin Blom's family and forwarded everything to her, with your help of course. Now only need Johan and Alfred. In all records, of Malcolm, there was no Johan. |
Edited by - dylankylesimon on 16/04/2023 02:17:56 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 16/04/2023 : 02:32:05
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quote:
4th Brother Martin Ottesen
This is likely the FAG of Martin and family. The newspaper clipping indicates a few more children than four. But only four are listed in the FAG record.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/93455133/martin-johnson
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AntonH
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Posted - 16/04/2023 : 02:38:12
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Son Elmer Otto Johnson
Elmer Otto Johnson
in the U.S., Find a Grave® Index, 1600s-Current
Name Elmer Otto Johnson
Birth Date 21 Jul 1894
Birth Place Duluth, St. Louis County, Minnesota, United States of America
Death Date 6 Mar 1982
Death Place River Falls, Pierce County, Wisconsin, United States of America
Cemetery Willow River Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place Hudson, St. Croix County, Wisconsin, United States of America
Has Bio? N
Spouse
Toney Marie Johnson
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryuicontent/view/111584814:60525
Elmer O Johnson
Census • United States Census, 1930
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9SR-KDG |
Edited by - AntonH on 16/04/2023 02:40:42 |
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AntonH
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 16/04/2023 : 05:30:35
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Good work so far Anton! I'll look some more into Alfred tomorrow! I don't see much of a match other than the first name and him maybe taking on the last name of his father? Is that normal? So I wouldn't be able to confirm whether that's truly him?
I also ran across this record, which mentions Sophia Ottosen death, 2 days later on the 26 Jul 1891 in Hull, Yorkshire, England, United Kingdom with Ludvig Ottosen. I think this is our couple?
But I don't think Ludvig died just yet, but it would explain why I did not see any Sophia with the other Ludvigs in the US. He is now traveling as a single man?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JZ1X-T54 |
Edited by - dylankylesimon on 16/04/2023 06:02:55 |
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 16/04/2023 : 17:28:29
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Hey Anton,
So given the record, I just noticed that it says that this Alfred was 37. I took a look at the original record, and it is clearly a 37, so I do not think that this person is our Alfred. This Alfred is also traveling with two other family members.
https://ibb.co/nLY3x05
I also noticed that for our Olaf Ferdinand Ottosen, who supposedly is Ferdinand Johnson, that the Illinois, U.S., Deaths and Stillbirths Index, 1916-1947 gives:
Name E. Ferdinand Johnson
Birth 3 Apr 1863 Dalslander, Sweden
Death 11 Apr 1929 Sterling, Whiteside, Ill
Burial 1 May 1929 Chicago, Cook, Ill.
So given that our Ferdinand was assumedly born on 22 Oct 1863 according to Sweden, Indexed Birth Records, I assume that we may have another error here? |
Edited by - dylankylesimon on 16/04/2023 17:58:07 |
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dylankylesimon
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 16/04/2023 : 19:44:27
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This record mentions Johan Ludvig Ottesen, his wife, and Marius Petter in 1897, but I am not quite sure what this record is used for or what it means? Third column maybe says that the Father is dead?
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/51/pc00000004689335 |
Edited by - dylankylesimon on 16/04/2023 19:50:52 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 16/04/2023 : 19:56:26
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quote:
So given the record, I just noticed that it says that this Alfred was 37. I took a look at the original record, and it is clearly a 37, so I do not think that this person is our Alfred. This Alfred is also traveling with two other family members.
Agreed but it fit this.
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No additional information, other than that he traveled to the USA on 30 March 1888.
Where does this information come from?
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AntonH
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AntonH
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Posted - 16/04/2023 : 20:22:37
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Myrtle R O Johnson
in the Montana, U.S., County Marriage Records, 1865-1993
Name Myrtle R O Johnson
Gender Female
Marriage Age 21
Record Type Marriage
Birth Year abt 1892
Marriage Date 29 May 1913
Marriage Place Silver Bow, Montana, USA
Father
Ferrdinand Johnson
Mother
Johnson
Spouse
Ernest D Anderson
Film Number 001906804
DGS 004278542
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/900028376:61375
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