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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 16/04/2023 : 20:35:08
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Myrtle Anderson
Census • United States Census, 1930
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XC9S-X51
Myrtle R. Anderson
in the U.S., Newspapers.com™ Obituary Index, 1800s-current
Name Myrtle R. Anderson
Gender Female
Death Age 82
Birth Date 24 May 1892
Birth Place St. Paul, Minn.
Residence Place Fort Worth, Tex.
Death Date Abt 1975
Death Place Texas
Obituary Date 23 May 1975
Obituary Place Butte, Montana, USA
Newspaper Title The Montana Standard
Spouse
David
Child
June Rabell
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/547527631:61843
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 16/04/2023 : 20:43:05
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Myrtle Ruth Anderson
in the Texas, U.S., Death Certificates, 1903-1982
Name Myrtle Ruth Anderson
[Myrtle Ruth Johnson]
Gender Female
Race White
Death Age 82
Birth Date 24 May 1892
Birth Place Saint Paul, Minnesota
Residence Date Abt 1975
Residence Place Fort Worth, Tarrant, Texas, USA
Death Date 22 May 1975
Death Place Fort Worth, Tarrant, Texas, USA
Father
Ferdinand Johnson
Certificate Number 38073
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/1395471:2272?tid=&pid=&queryId=80c09c5e14f968320ea4bd24ae785824&_phsrc=lXG21&_phstart=successSource
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 16/04/2023 : 22:29:16
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Candiate for Olaf Ferdinand Ottesen:. Living in Butte, Montana in 1910. With wife and daughter Hazel.
Frederic Johnson
in the 1910 United States Federal Census
Name Frederic Johnson
[Frederson Johnson]
[Mederson Johnson]
Age in 1910 47
Birth Date 1863
[1863]
Birthplace Sweden
Home in 1910 Butte Ward 8, Silver Bow, Montana, USA
Street W Phocpory
House Number 603
Race White
Gender Male
Immigration Year 1887
Relation to Head of House Head
Marital Status Married
Spouse's Name Anna Johnson
Father's Birthplace Sweden
Mother's Birthplace Sweden
Native Tongue English
Occupation Iron Worker
Industry Carriage Work
Employer, Employee or Other Wage Earner
Home Owned or Rented Own
Home Free or Mortgaged Free
Farm or House House
Naturalization Status Naturalized
Able to read Yes
Able to Write Yes
Years Married 8
Out of Work N
Number of Weeks Out of Work 0
Neighbors View others on page
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Frederic Johnson 47 Head
Anna Johnson
44 Wife
Hazel L Johnson
7 Daughter
Lillian E Johnson
5 Daughter
Roy F Larson
13 Nephew
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/15339226:7884?tid=&pid=&queryId=b1cc89f085e3115933db533fad13b682&_phsrc=Gcb6&_phstart=successSource |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 16/04/2023 : 22:46:57
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So given that our Ferdinand was assumedly born on 22 Oct 1863 according to Sweden, Indexed Birth Records, I assume that we may have another error here?
The more I dig into the life of the 2nd Brother Olaf Ferdinand Ottesen, the more I think he is not the same man as died 11 Apr 1929 in Sterling, Whiteside, Illinois, USA. What gives me pause is the mention of the brother Martin coming to the funeral in Chicago.
That man is Eric Ferdinand Johnson married to Anna, with children Myrtel, Hazel and Lillian. He lived in Butte Montana in 1910, part of 1920 and then his wife and some children lived in Chicago in 1930.
Eric Ferdinand Johnson
in the Montana, U.S., County Births and Deaths, 1830-2011
Name Eric Ferdinand Johnson
Gender Male
Spouse
Anna Lovisa Larson
Child
Hazel Lovisa Johnson
Certificate Number 40124
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/150340694:61255
Ferdinand Johnson
Census • United States Census, 1920
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M8Q7-VKC
Anna L Johnson
Census • United States Census, 1930
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSPL-KSQ
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 17/04/2023 : 00:01:43
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This must be Martin in 1900 Census, living in Dunn County Wisconsin. Although it says that Helmar was born in Norway but I do not know if that makes any sense.
Martin Johnson
Census • United States Census, 1900
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MMKX-1J9
1905 Wisconsin Census shows Helmar or Elmer being born in Minnesota. Makes more sense since there is a marriage record for Martin and Elsie Bnesnen in Minnesota.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MMSB-YMF
Martin Johnson
Census • United States Census, 1910
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MPVR-DLG
Martin Johnson
in the Web: Minnesota, U.S., Marriages from the Minnesota Official Marriage System, 1850-2019\\
Name Martin Johnson
Marriage Date 14 Nov 1891
Marriage Place St. Louis, Minnesota, USA
Spouse
Elise Bensen
Certificate Number F-280
[ Marriage
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 17/04/2023 : 00:39:13
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Martin Johnson
in the U.S., Newspapers.com™ Obituary Index, 1800s-current
Name Martin Johnson
Gender Male
Death Age 83
Birth Date Feb 1869
Birth Place Greberstadt, Sweden
Residence Place Menomonie
Death Date 27 Jan 1952
Death Place Menornonie
Obituary Date 29 Jan 1952
Obituary Place Eau Claire, Wisconsin, USA
Newspaper Title Leader-Telegram
Child
Elmer
Hudson John
Conrad
Buford Frye
L. C. Ruegstact
E.
Alfred Los Angeles
William
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jkmarler
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 17/04/2023 : 01:30:09
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Daughter Julie Josefine Ottesen marries # 7:
Vaterland prestekontor Kirkebøker, SAO/A-10880/F/Fa/L0002: Ministerialbok nr. 2, 1907-1921, s. 1
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060213020687
#65 birth baptism Julie Josefine Ottesen:
Fredrikstad domkirkes prestekontor Kirkebøker, SAO/A-10906/F/Fa/L0001: Ministerialbok nr. 1, 1871-1878, s. 132
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060927070378
In both of these records her father is listed as sailor Otto Ludvig Ottesen and deceased at her marriage.
#248 Julie Josefines son Bjorn birth / baptism:
Petrus prestekontor Kirkebøker, SAO/A-10872/F/Fa/L0008: Ministerialbok nr. 8, 1899-1909, s. 373
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060214040370
In 1920 census Julie with husband, son and mother Emilie (as pensionist widow after shoemaker L Ottesen):
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01073680049018
Julie's death 1956:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/387/pc00000001563194 |
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 17/04/2023 : 01:56:59
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Yes, Anton, this is what I also concluded, glad you dug a little deeper and confirmed. I'd say the only thing confirmed thus far is that Olof Ferdinand Ottoson (Ottesen) emigrated or departed to America on 12 September 1884. I also know that Martin appears to have taken on the name Johnson, however his brother Malcolm chose the name Blom. Therefore, I personally wouldn't place that much weight on that name. I am also fairly certain about Martin and Elise of it being correct.
It appears there are a lot of errors in the folklore that was passed on to my 5th cousin.
Interesting Jackie, my 5th cousin now sent me an email saying that Johan Ludvig was still alive in 1905 given Peter Ottesen's marriage record:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/327/pv00000004404845
However, given your record, he is dead by 1907? So the previous record in 1897 must be an error?
She also said that he was a journeyman shoemaker, so she thinks it is strange that he would go on a boat as a sailor with his wife and children at home; also given that his youngest son was born in 1890.
Here is also the death record of his Wife Emilie Ottesen f. Larsen on 18 Apr 1924. Not sure what it says in the notes.
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/267/pg00000003198140 |
Edited by - dylankylesimon on 17/04/2023 02:19:34 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 17/04/2023 : 02:36:40
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Okay so who is Otto Ludvig Ottesen a sailor the father of Julie Josefine?
Marriage # 47 matros Ludvig Ottosen and Emilie Larsd
Fredrikstad domkirkes prestekontor Kirkebøker, SAO/A-10906/F/Fa/L0001: Ministerialbok nr. 1, 1871-1878, s. 296
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060927070487
Birthdate and place matches Johan Ludvig Ottosen provided at beginning.
And just because there is no notation on Petter's marriage that his father is dead doesn't mean that he isn't.
And Emilie is a widow in the 1900 census:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01037045113508
The notes on Emilie's death record in the far right column a cross (standing for ) death at Ulleval hospital Sogneprest Thomassen. |
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dylankylesimon
Senior member
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Posted - 17/04/2023 : 02:56:19
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Well, as you may know, Julie's brother is called Otto Ludvig Ottesen, I assume someone got something confused. She may never know that his first name was Johan, but I am not sure.
But I agree, so then as of now, he died between 1891 and 1900? |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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9301 Posts |
Posted - 17/04/2023 : 02:57:42
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Not the exact date for your Alfred Otteson leaving Norway but as close as I can get. A sailor traveling to San Francisco?
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000001021969
with a large group of men traveling to San Francisco
Alfred Albarson
in the Canada, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name Alfred Albarson
Gender Male
Arrival Age 26
Birth Year abt 1862
Departure Port Glasgow, Scotland; Londonderry, Ireland
Arrival Date 30 Apr 1888
Arrival Port Quebec, Quebec, Canada
Vessel Norwegian
Arrival
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Death of Johan Ludvig, Alfred and Malkom Ottoson?
