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dylankylesimon
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AntonH
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 Posted - 17/04/2023 : 03:12:14
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Here is an interesting marriage.
Alfred Ottesson
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name Alfred Ottesson
Gender Male
Age 22
Birth Date 1860
Marriage Date 30 jul 1882
Marriage Place Trefoldighet Menighet, Oslo, Akershus, Norway
Father
Otto Johansson
Spouse
Hedda Olausdr
FHL Film Number 255762
Reference ID 2:F7MMH3
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/2735983:60095 |
Edited by - AntonH on 17/04/2023 22:22:22 |
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dylankylesimon
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AntonH
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Posted - 17/04/2023 : 03:33:03
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In the marriage recordOle Johansson is listed as a Carpenter ?
All of the males have an underline in the wedding record
Where do you see Hedda in that list? |
Edited by - AntonH on 17/04/2023 03:36:38 |
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 17/04/2023 : 03:35:53
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Originally posted by AntonH
In the marriage recordOle Johansson is listed as a Carpenter ?
Where do you see Hedda in that list?
I am sorry, which marriage record? She is right above Alfred. Hedda or now Hulda. Sorry, I did not look at the age. This is not it. |
Edited by - dylankylesimon on 17/04/2023 03:37:41 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 17/04/2023 : 03:37:30
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MY bad I meant the ships manifest
Did you mean this person
Name: Hulda Lagergren
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: American
Age: 6
Birth Date: abt 1878
Place of Origin: United States of America
Departure Port: Liverpool, England
Destination: USA
Arrival Date: 5 Mar 1884
Arrival Port: New York, New York, USA
Ship Name: Baltic |
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 17/04/2023 : 03:42:40
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Yeah, but that was not it. I got overexcited  All in all, I think your marriage might be a good start, gotta continue looking in Norway, wonder what the line under the last name normally means? |
Edited by - dylankylesimon on 17/04/2023 03:43:24 |
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AntonH
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 17/04/2023 : 04:34:45
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Well, you are definitely right about the roles being assigned wrong, because it says mother for Alfred Ottosen 1855, so could be 1860 and a match here.
FamilySearch translates that name to Hedvig, which makes more sense to me than Heder#255;. Oslo must be one of the worst places to do research. So many factors, and can't narrow it down either. |
Edited by - dylankylesimon on 17/04/2023 04:44:29 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 17/04/2023 : 05:21:40
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Originally posted by dylankylesimon
Well, as you may know, Julie's brother is called Otto Ludvig Ottesen, I assume someone got something confused. She may never know that his first name was Johan, but I am not sure.
But I agree, so then as of now, he died between 1891 and 1900?
Julie was the oldest of the children, she will know more than the younger ones, generally. And her brother Otto wasn't even born when the Fredrikstad pastor wrote about her father's names and occupation as Otto Ludvig and a sailor. Maybe there is something more mixed up here. It's most likely that the shoemaker died between 1891 and 1900. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 17/04/2023 : 15:23:31
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Originally posted by dylankylesimon
Yeah, but that was not it. I got overexcited All in all, I think your marriage might be a good start, gotta continue looking in Norway, wonder what the line under the last name normally means?
Its a finding aid to make each record more plain and easier to find in all that script. |
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AntonH
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AntonH
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AntonH
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Posted - 17/04/2023 : 18:40:55
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How sure are you of this information for Alfred. Do you have a link to the record of his leaving and did he leave from Norway or Sweden?
"No additional information, other than that he traveled to the USA on 30 March 1888." |
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 18/04/2023 : 00:37:40
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"No additional information, other than that he traveled to the USA on 30 March 1888." - This is probably folklore or wrong information, not data that I have found.
The Alfred (f. 1863) is not our Alfred, since the parents are incorrect.. Alfred was not the Sailor, the Sailor that we are referring to would possibly be Johan Ludvig (Also probably called Otto Ludvig). Alfred left from Sweden to Norway, see below:
Parents of all 5 Brothers
Father: Otto Johansson
Mother: Abela Johanna Andersdotter
Birth Record: https://ibb.co/Kjq0ZZQ
Born: 24th November 1860
Place: Lur, Göteborg och Bohus, Sweden
Next would be their Household Censuses, which appear to be issued in the first year (for example 1876 and get updated through 1880).
from 1876 to 1880
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QLPG-7H4K
- Otto Johansson
- Abela Johanna Andersdr
- Johan Ludvig(See note: He went somewhere on 23 Jan 1774, but emigrated to Fredrikstad, Norway on 10 Aug 1777)
- Alfred still lives with the family
- Olof Ferdinand still lives with the family
- Malkom Edvin still lives with the family
- Martin still lives with the family
from 1881 to 1885
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QLPG-KZTV
- Otto Johansson
- Abela Johanna Andersdr
- Alfred (See note: He went somewhere on 27 Aug 1881, but emigrated to Norway on 7 Aug 1881)
- Olof Ferdinand still lives with the family
- Malkom Edvin still lives with the family
- Martin still lives with the family
As for the jumping around, I totally understand, that's typically what I do as well. In particular, because I feel like you gotta know the whole story to find the holes in it.
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Julie was the oldest of the children, she will know more than the younger ones, generally. And her brother Otto wasn't even born when the Fredrikstad pastor wrote about her father's names and occupation as Otto Ludvig and a sailor. Maybe there is something more mixed up here. It's most likely that the shoemaker died between 1891 and 1900.
Otto, her brother was born in 1890.
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Its a finding aid to make each record more plain and easier to find in all that script.
Got it. I thought there was maybe some additional reason since its a "newer" record. I typically only saw those lines when records were unreadable.
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Death of Johan Ludvig, Alfred and Malkom Ottoson?
