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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 18/04/2023 : 01:37:10
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Back to Olaf Ferdinand . This Ancestry record has him leaving in 1884 to America.
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I do not find an emigration from Sweden record but I do find this emigration from Norway of Ferdinand Otteson in 1884 to Eau Claire Wisconsin. Age is right?
Ferdinand Otteson
in the Norway, Emigration Records, 1867-1960
Name Ferdinand Otteson
Gender Mannlig (Male)
Emigration Age 20
Birth Date abt 1864
Last Known Residence Place Bohuslän
Emigration Date 2 mai 1884 (2 May 1884)
Emigration Place Oslo, Norge
Emigration Destination Eau Claire
Emigration Ship Angelo
Household Members (Name)
Ferdinand Otteson
Emigration
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000000453294
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 18/04/2023 : 01:44:09
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Ferdinand Otteson
in the New York, U.S., Arriving Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957
Name: Ferdinand Otteson
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Swedish
Age: 20
Birth Date: abt 1864
Place of Origin: Sweden
Departure Port: Glasgow, Scotland and Larne, Ireland
Destination: USA
Arrival Date: 23 May 1884
Arrival Port: New York, New York, USA
Ship Name: State of Georgia
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Edited by - AntonH on 18/04/2023 01:48:36 |
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 18/04/2023 : 02:04:49
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Originally posted by dylankylesimon
I am not 100% sure, but it looks like Olof Ferdinand went to America on 12 Sep 1884 in this 1886-1890 census, if the translation plays out? However, it appears that he came back and lived in Lur in 1891, but then an event happen on 24 Nov 1891? I can't make it out, see below.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSG4-MSLL-W?cc=2790465&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQLPG-CTB2 br /
Is the event that it referring to as here?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSG4-MSLY-F?cc=2790465&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQLP2-PGN8
What does this mean? Does this mean that he got married on 24 Nov 1893 in America?
https://ibb.co/zZVVkm9
So according to the House Household Examination Books below and the Sweden, Emigrants Registered in Church Books, 1783-1991
Alfred Ottosson Departed Lur on 7 Oct 1881 to Norway
https://ibb.co/vJJX5Y8
I previously listed these records associated with your find. I still would like to know what the entry on 24 November 1893 means. From my research, it means that he was claimed as remaining non-existent. What does this mean? I have no idea other than the obvious. However, that is the Household census from 1891-1896.
As to your other finds, I'd say there are limited information to really evaluate it and also happened a couple months before the entry. It certainly appears as Olof may have left for good on 12 Sep 1884, but his family may believed that he would return, but he never did. |
Edited by - dylankylesimon on 18/04/2023 02:08:11 |
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AntonH
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AntonH
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Posted - 18/04/2023 : 02:54:47
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This one also says he moved to America and relocated (returned ?) in 93
bertflyttad is relocated in the dictionary.
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/5638138:2225
690.14.18100
The Relocation gives the following info
" It will also show either a page number or say the name of a place. The place is the name of the parish your ancestor came from or went to, indicating that you’ll find them in a separate book when you either trace them back or forward (remember, every parish had its own book). If it has a page number, it means your ancestor lived in the same parish, but in a different village/farm, indicated by the page number given. So to trace them, you stay in the same book and just flip to that page number. "
I got that info from
https://www.roamyourroots.com/blog/how-to-read-swedish-household-examination-records
Now that should mean that the information on where he moved back to should be found on page 270 or 290 but I found nothing about him on either of those two pages when paged through the Ancestry document.
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AntonH
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Posted - 18/04/2023 : 03:10:47
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So when I search on Ancestry.com I get a list of ten items. To help me keep track of which ones I have looked at I made this list. I think the information above is about the most I could get from looking at them. I am going to post the list here jus so I do not get lost.
one has him moved to America 12/9/84 1881-1885 690.11.31800
two is birth
three has nothing 1869-1875 690.8.46300
four has nothing 1864-1868 690.7.23900
five has nothing 1857-1864 690.6.5500
six says he moved to America in 84 and returned in 93 690.14.18100
seven says he got married in America 1891-1895 690.14.19800
eight says he moved to America 123 84 1886-1890 690.12.55600
nine says nothing 1876-1880 690.10.6700
ten has the whole family but all seem to be in Sweden still 1869-1875 690.8.53100 |
Edited by - AntonH on 18/04/2023 03:11:17 |
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dylankylesimon
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AntonH
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Posted - 18/04/2023 : 03:39:12
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| My understanding of the records are that he moved to America some time in 1884. Got married in America no date is given that I can see and that he relocated back to Sweden in 1893. |
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 18/04/2023 : 04:16:48
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But if you look on top of the page 290, it says Qvarstående Obefintlige, which means (non existent individuals) from Sweden Genealogy.
In another Swedish Forum, someone wrote:
Non-existent were people who were no longer in their home parish, but had not taken out a moving certificate. The priest who took care of the population records therefore did not know where they were. (Often they had traveled to America, Denmark or Germany). Some of them were found out eventually, but the others remained non-existent.
People said that they found this in connection with Sailors or their families as well as emigration without a clear date. |
Edited by - dylankylesimon on 18/04/2023 04:19:57 |
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Death of Johan Ludvig, Alfred and Malkom Ottoson?
