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SherKlz
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 Posted - 18/03/2025 : 21:07:21
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Hi I've been researching my Dad's family since right after he passed away in 2012 and have been stuck on my Great-uncle who I cannot find a thing about after he and his sister came to the US. (My Grandpa came too, but he came with another family member because my G-Grandparents drown on their boat, the Maria, during a storm, so my Grandfather went to live with his Dad's sister and my g-aunt and g-uncle came over with his Mom's brother). My grandfather's name was Knud Thorsen and the one I'm looking for was Thore Thorsen. Following is all the info I can find on him:
Thore Thorsen
Birth: Abt. 1865 - Stavanger, Rogaland, Norway
Death: Not Available -
Mother: Dorthea Larsdatter Hertervig
Father Knud Thorson
Thore Thorsen was born in Stavanger, Rogaland, Norway on Abt. 1865 to Knud Thorson and Dorthea Larsdatter Hertervig.
Jorine his sister, arrived in New York on 31 Oct 1884 aboard the S. S. State of Indiana. Jorine was born 17 May 1867 and baptized at St. Petri church on 23 Jun 1867,
S/S Indiana, American Line 1873 March 25, launched 1873 Oct. 27, maiden voyage Philadelphia - Queenstown - Liverpool
Sex: Male
Birth Date 29 Sep 1865
Father: Knud Thorsen
Mother: Dorthe Larsdatter
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 19 Nov 1865
Event Place: Stavanger, Rogaland, Norway
After the death of Knud and Dorothea, the kids were sent to live with different people. Thore and Jorine were cent to live with Dorothea's Sister, Sissel Larsdatter Hettervik in 1875, and Lauritz was sent to live with his Father's Sister, Astrid (or Astri) Thorsdatter in 1875.
1. Thore, born 1865, lived with aunt Sissel Larsdatter Ommundsen in 1875, in Stavanger.
2. Jorine Cecilie, born 1867 lived with aunt Sissel Larsdatter Ommundsen in 1875, in Stavanger. Jorine Thorson came to New York, New York (Castle Garden) USA on the ship State of Indiana. Arrival Date: 31 Oct 1884 at 17 years old from Glasgow, Scotland/Larne, Ireland
3. Lauritz, born 1869, lived with aunt Astrid Thorsdatter in 1875, in Εrdal in Ryfylke.
That's all I have, My Dad said his Father and siblings all came to the USA. but I lose track of Thore after he came here. I recently got ahold of a letter written from Jorine to Lena, but didn't see any mention of Thore. Can anyone help?
(I tried to put the letter in here, but it's not letting me add it for some reason)
Also I'm trying to find where Jorine is buried but even with using "Find a Grave" I can't locate it, so if anyone can help with that, it'd be much appreciated. Thank you
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Edited by - SherKlz on 18/03/2025 23:49:46 |
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SherKlz
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Posted - 18/03/2025 : 21:10:47
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Edited by - SherKlz on 18/03/2025 21:12:36 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 18/03/2025 : 22:22:49
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| Okay tell us a bit about the letter--does it have an envelope and what is the postmark date or is there a date on the letter? |
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jkmarler
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jkmarler
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Posted - 18/03/2025 : 23:36:02
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Wedding # 7 of Knut Thorsen and Dorothea Larsdtr:
Hjelmeland sokneprestkontor, AV/SAST-A-101843/01/IV/L0012: Ministerialbok nr. A 12, 1862-1886, s. 164
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070220630416
marriage also recorded in Stavanger # 68
Domkirken sokneprestkontor, AV/SAST-A-101812/001/30/30BB/L0011: Klokkerbok nr. B 11, 1858-1876, s. 84
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070105320140
Birth / baptism Jorine Cecile #200
St. Petri sokneprestkontor, AV/SAST-A-101813/001/30/30BA/L0001: Ministerialbok nr. A 1, 1861-1868, s. 214
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20050923020224
Birth /baptism Thore #200
Domkirken sokneprestkontor, AV/SAST-A-101812/001/30/30BA/L0017: Ministerialbok nr. A 16, 1855-1867, s. 241
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20050923030244
Birth /baptism Lauritz #113
St. Petri sokneprestkontor, AV/SAST-A-101813/001/30/30BA/L0008: Ministerialbok nr. A 8, 1868-1876, s. 69
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20050923020774
Link to the 1865 census for the family:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038196004756
Knud Thorsen's death # 352 August 1871:
St. Petri sokneprestkontor, AV/SAST-A-101813/001/30/30BA/L0003: Ministerialbok nr. A 3, 1861-1872, s. 179
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20050923020524
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SherKlz
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Posted - 18/03/2025 : 23:53:53
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Okay tell us a bit about the letter--does it have an envelope and what is the postmark date or is there a date on the letter?
The date is March 22, 1939 and is sent from Milford, Iowa
all I have is a copy of the letter sent as a file, so I don't know about the envelope. It was sent to:
Miss Jorine Thorsen
Warren, OH
and from:
your cousin, Lena |
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SherKlz
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Posted - 19/03/2025 : 00:00:45
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jkmarler
Thank you, I do have those already bookmarked |
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SherKlz
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Posted - 19/03/2025 : 00:07:37
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jkmarler
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Posted - 18/03/2025 : 22:22:49 Show Profile Email Poster Reply with Quote
Okay tell us a bit about the letter--does it have an envelope and what is the postmark date or is there a date on the letter?
It does say after she signs off at the bottom
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Do you hear from Einor, Nils, Louis, and those in california? I received no card last christmas. Write when you can, Jorine. I am glad to hear from you. Gre?t Tore.
The "Louis" is Lauritz, my grandfather, her brother |
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Edited by - SherKlz on 19/03/2025 00:09:48 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 19/03/2025 : 01:46:56
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Searching on Ancestry.com turns up a family tree for this family. One source for Jorine has her living in Warren Township, Trumbull, Ohio. in the 1940 Census under the name Lena Thorsen. Here is a link to the Census record at Family Search.
Lena Thorsen
Census United States, Census, 1940
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KWGQ-MLS?lang=en
Is it possible that this is the same person as Jorine?
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AntonH
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Posted - 19/03/2025 : 01:55:39
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Tell us a little more about the Lena from Milford, Crawford Iowa?
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SherKlz
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Posted - 19/03/2025 : 02:09:20
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AntonH
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Posted - 19/03/2025 : 01:46:56 Show Profile Email Poster Reply with Quote
Searching on Ancestry.com turns up a family tree for this family. One source for Jorine has her living in Warren Township, Trumbull, Ohio. in the 1940 Census under the name Lena Thorsen. Here is a link to the Census record at Family Search.
Lena Thorsen
Census United States, Census, 1940
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KWGQ-MLS?lang=en
Is it possible that this is the same person as Jorine?
I had heard, for some reason, people called Jorine Lena, I have no idea why. I know Lena was her cousin, so unless somehow they just confused the two people,
The only things I know about Jorine was she was the middle child, her older brother was Thore (could be spelled Thor) and her younger brother was my grandfather, Lauritz also called Louis. She and Thore came from Norway as kids together, and my grandfather, I believe my Dad always said, was 3, came over with another man, I can't recall what Dad said his name was, There were only the 3 kids, but all I could ever find is what I put above, but I'm so lost. Though I found where Jorine lived, I can't find a grave anywhere listed, eve in find a grave. My Grandfather, I do know where he's buried. etc because I was baptized in the church he attended (and my Dad) before it burned down.
Thore Knutson or Thorsen
Birth 29 SEP 1865 Sankt Petri Kirke, Stavanger, Rogaland, Norway
Death USA ?
Jorine Cecilie Knutesdatter or Thorsen
Birth 17 MAR 1867 Sankt Petri Kirke, Stavanger, Rogaland, Norway
Death 29 DEC 1964 Trumbull County, Trumbull, Ohio
Lauritz "Lewis" Johannes Knutson
Birth 25 DEC 1869 Sankt Petri Kirke, Stavanger, Rogaland, Norway
Death APRIL 7 1956 S Kickapoo Church, Soldiers Grove, Crawford, Wisconsin, USA
Ot confuses me, also why they have their father's last name while my Grandfather has the usual way it was done, the father's first name and "son" added on.
Another thing regarding that which confuses me. is my great grandfather's first name was Knud Thorsen...why wasn't my grandfather's last name "Knudson" then?
This is my great grandfather's and great grandmother's info:
Knud Thorsen Ervigen
Birth 8 JUL 1837 Erviken/Ervik, Εrdal, Hjelmeland, Rogaland, Norway
Death AUG 1871 drowned in North Sea, Norway after the boat, Marie, capsized in a storm.
Dorthea Larsdatter Hertervig
Birth 6 JUNE 1839 Stavanger, Rogaland, Norway
Death AUG 1871 drowned in North Sea, Norway after the boat, Marie, capsized in a storm
as for Lena,I'm not sure if that's her cousin, Mallene Toresdatter Ereviken
Birth 24 APR 1849 Hjelmeland, Rogaland, Norway
Death Unknown
There is no other name that comes close to Lena that I've been able to find.
I wish I could be of more help, I feel so useless and I'm sorry, |
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Edited by - SherKlz on 19/03/2025 02:23:50 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 19/03/2025 : 02:38:29
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Here is a death record for the Lena from Ohio.
Lena Thorson
in the Ohio, U.S., Death Records, 1908-1932, 1938-2022
Name Lena Thorson
Gender Female
Race White
Marital Status Married
Death Age 97
Birth Date Abt 1867
Residence Place Trumbull, Ohio, USA
Death Date 29 Dec 1964
Death Place Trumbull, Ohio, USA
Certificate Number 95498
Inquest Hospital Home
Inquest Questions Certifier: Coroner; Autopsy Performed?: Yes, Not Used For Certification;
I see it says she is married but in the 1950 Census she was listed as never married.
Record
Lena Thorsen
Census United States, Census, 1950
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6XB3-6DVD?lang=en |
Edited by - AntonH on 19/03/2025 02:41:08 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 19/03/2025 : 03:01:33
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Originally posted by SherKlz
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AntonH
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Posted - 19/03/2025 : 01:46:56 Show Profile Email Poster Reply with Quote
Searching on Ancestry.com turns up a family tree for this family. One source for Jorine has her living in Warren Township, Trumbull, Ohio. in the 1940 Census under the name Lena Thorsen. Here is a link to the Census record at Family Search.
Lena Thorsen
Census United States, Census, 1940
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KWGQ-MLS?lang=en
Is it possible that this is the same person as Jorine?
I had heard, for some reason, people called Jorine Lena, I have no idea why. I know Lena was her cousin, so unless somehow they just confused the two people,
The only things I know about Jorine was she was the middle child, her older brother was Thore (could be spelled Thor) and her younger brother was my grandfather, Lauritz also called Louis. She and Thore came from Norway as kids together, and my grandfather, I believe my Dad always said, was 3, came over with another man, I can't recall what Dad said his name was, There were only the 3 kids, but all I could ever find is what I put above, but I'm so lost. Though I found where Jorine lived, I can't find a grave anywhere listed, eve in find a grave. My Grandfather, I do know where he's buried. etc because I was baptized in the church he attended (and my Dad) before it burned down.
Thore Knutson or Thorsen
Birth 29 SEP 1865 Sankt Petri Kirke, Stavanger, Rogaland, Norway
Death USA ?
Jorine Cecilie Knutesdatter or Thorsen
Birth 17 MAR 1867 Sankt Petri Kirke, Stavanger, Rogaland, Norway
Death 29 DEC 1964 Trumbull County, Trumbull, Ohio
Lauritz "Lewis" Johannes Knutson
Birth 25 DEC 1869 Sankt Petri Kirke, Stavanger, Rogaland, Norway
Death APRIL 7 1956 S Kickapoo Church, Soldiers Grove, Crawford, Wisconsin, USA
Ot confuses me, also why they have their father's last name while my Grandfather has the usual way it was done, the father's first name and "son" added on.
Another thing regarding that which confuses me. is my great grandfather's first name was Knud Thorsen...why wasn't my grandfather's last name "Knudson" then?
This is my great grandfather's and great grandmother's info:
Knud Thorsen Ervigen
Birth 8 JUL 1837 Erviken/Ervik, Εrdal, Hjelmeland, Rogaland, Norway
Death AUG 1871 drowned in North Sea, Norway after the boat, Marie, capsized in a storm.
Dorthea Larsdatter Hertervig
Birth 6 JUNE 1839 Stavanger, Rogaland, Norway
Death AUG 1871 drowned in North Sea, Norway after the boat, Marie, capsized in a storm
as for Lena,I'm not sure if that's her cousin, Mallene Toresdatter Ereviken
Birth 24 APR 1849 Hjelmeland, Rogaland, Norway
Death Unknown
There is no other name that comes close to Lena that I've been able to find.
I wish I could be of more help, I feel so useless and I'm sorry,
Don't worry, we will find what we can to help. Most migrations from Stavanger have not been saved, some sort of fire, I believe. The Norwegian naming system takes some getting used to/ |
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AntonH
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Thore Thorsen, searching for my great-uncle
