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stef
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 Posted - 26/01/2004 : 12:05:39
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I am from canada.I need help to resolve a mistery.
My grand-grand fathers was sailing on a boat between 1885
and 1890.When he and his two friends arrive ,they jumped the boat and start ed a new life here at the fishing town called Tadoussac.
I did all the research I had to do here in canada but Hendry
Robertsen stayed a deep enigma.
He lived here 25 years and hided all about his past life.
I been searching in the archives of Canada but i could'nt find
nothing except some names of boats i can't identified
If only I could find the name of the vessel they vogued.
I'm looking to identifiate a men i found listed as Henrick Hansen son of ROBERT ANTON HANSEN
Mother: MAREN JULIE JOHANSDR
Christening: 22 NOV 1868 Tune, Ostfold, Norway
Following the norwegien naming pattern,that man should be list as Henrick Robertsen.
In comparison my old parent signed Hendry Robertsen in Canada in 1893 and could be that same man called Henrick Hansen or Robertsen who been listed as perish at sea.
Maybe he could have just jump out of the boat to swim and established him and his friend in Canada where they made an other life.
The name of the two companions was Gunder Olsen son of Olaus Olsen and Inger Marie Jacobsen from Tonsberg and Christian Josefsen son of Joseph Andersen and Tonette Olsdr
from Andebu(vestfold) borned 11 march 1874.
All i need is the boat they been voguing on,but any other information would be welcome.
From Canada ,Stef
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askeroi
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Norway
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stef
Junior member
Canada
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Posted - 30/07/2004 : 07:59:24
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Tanks a lot for your help !
I been searching my grand-grandfather for the last 10 years and lately i realised i was in a dead end ,here in the old town called Chicoutimi, province of Québec ,
I founded here in Canada lots of document where Hendry Henry Robertsen did signed,
Documents like census in 1891 in the fisherman's town called tadoussac where he said he was 23,and others like an abjuration when he changed his religion from lutherien to catholic.
I did pick lots of information but now i'm stuck !
I realised even if i found signature and more documents ,nothing down here can tell me the name of the boat they been voguing on.
His two partner who jump the boat with him,Josefsen and Olsen
are a way to find out about their past life in Norway,i guess!
When both friends married,they mentionned Tonsberg,Norway
to say from where they come from.So Henry Hendry might be from the same area.
I owned a picture of him and his french canadien woman when he was about 40.
I could send the picture at whom would me to do so.
My old Grand mother she's 80 years old and I would tell her the story of those men that crossed the ocean and leaved their family behind them and became our family legend that we would find the truth about who realy they was.
It is a mild heart case but i wish one day i will reach the end of the road ! tank you all peoples on this forum,it's realy great
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askeroi
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Norway
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Posted - 30/07/2004 : 09:35:32
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According to you Henrik was born in Tune, Østfold - and that's where I found his father (and probably his mother). The other guys are, still according to you, from Vestfold. Østfold is on the eastern bank of the Oslofjord, while Vestfold is on the western bank of the Oslofjord.
Of course this is the same area seen from the US, but it's not seen from Øst- or Vestfold. People on the eastern side moved around on the eastern side and people on the western side moved around on the western side. Usually.
Of course there are exceptions to this rule as well as any other rule, but it's more likely this guys met on bord a ship I guess. |
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stef
Junior member
Canada
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Posted - 01/08/2004 : 18:23:55
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The big problem is that many time rules are not followed and exceptions can be time consuming and years looking the wrong way !
Tank you a lot for your attention on my case. |
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askeroi
Senior member
Norway
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Posted - 01/08/2004 : 22:10:12
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I don't know if I understood your last posting - do you want it to be a connection between these guys before they went on the ship? I honestly believe you'll never find one - just because I can't imagine there was.
Three adventurus guys - amazed by the oppotunities in the new world - worked their way across the sea and quit their jobs to get a new start "over there". That sounds pretty "normal" at that time, to me.
Anyway, his parents - two sisters and a brother - still lived in Tune in 1900:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f00130.wc2&variabel=0&postnr=4155&fulle=true&spraak=n
So there's no reason to believe Henrik had moved to Tønsberg before getting on the ship.
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stef
Junior member
Canada
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Posted - 01/08/2004 : 23:51:21
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I'm agree with you that logiquely they met on board the ship and decided to jump the ship in regard of their same dream to reach prosperity on their same destiny
But when i saw his two partners mentionned they were from tonsberg ,it was a good reason to figure that the third one was from the same area.
But with as much peoples deciding to leave the country like it did happen in norway ,nothing prove it out of any dout !
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stef
Junior member
Canada
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Posted - 04/08/2004 : 06:21:47
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Tank you a lot askroi for those infomation i already had
but not with those many detail of this census.
When somebody died perish at sea,is there a place where i could find information
about that.?
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stef
Junior member
Canada
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Posted - 04/08/2004 : 06:38:44
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in that cencus of 1900 you send to me,there is no more Henrick mentionned.
The man i'm looking for signed a census in 1891 in canada
It doesn't prove anyting , but it fit.
What means matros in norwegien ?
tank you !
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askeroi
Senior member
Norway
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Posted - 04/08/2004 : 12:30:35
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Of course there's no Henrik in the 1900 cencus - he's in Canada...
Pleas read my post once more. (I just showed you his family still was living in Tune. No reason to believe Henrik moved (alone) to Tønsberg before joining his ship engagements.
I'm not an expert on ships occupation titles - expecially not in english, but I've seen in other debates that a "matros" is an abel seaman. (Somebody correct me if I'm wrong).
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stef
Junior member
Canada
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Posted - 15/08/2004 : 15:58:48
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there is nothing that prove Henrick Hansen son of Robert Anton Hansen is the man i'm looking for.
lots things fit whit my case but in genealogy i must prove out of any douth that it's the good one.
i don't know where to look further or where to search at.
can anybody tell me what to do?
i sent a message to the man who put informations on the net about Henrick Hansen,but he never respond me and is no more reachable.
Is there a place where i can check for missing mariners lost at sea? |
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askeroi
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Norway
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Posted - 16/08/2004 : 08:04:12
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Your last post confuses me. Are you saying that you're not shure the Henrik Hansen you're looking for is the same as the Henrik Hansen born 1868 in Tune?
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stef
Junior member
Canada
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Posted - 17/08/2004 : 05:01:17
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Check in the forum called : NORWEGIEN IN QUEBEC CANADA : My grand-grand father was Hendry / Henry- Robertsen.He never mentionned his real name but rumor in my family told he modified his name quite a little bit.
I have search all the database and all i found is that man vanish at sea and called Hendrick Hansen who should be name Robertsen following the norwegien naming pattern.
My hold man died in canada in 1915 at 47.
So that lead me to 1868 for his birthday, the same than Hansen.
They both borned in 1868 and they perish both at sea and we cant find any of them in the 1900 census.
but that's where is the dead end.
That's why I would check in any place that could talk about man lost at sea.
Tanks you |
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askeroi
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Posted - 17/08/2004 : 09:33:57
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Pity I hadn't seen the other topic before. In my mind it changes everything - and makes all the eforts in Tune meaningless. The Tune guy DIED at sea and couldn't be your Henry Robertson.
I've had a look at the 1865 cencus for Tønsberg and the area around. In towns at this late stage most sons and daughters carry the same surname as their father (and mother who has taken her husband's surname). I. e. his father doesn't have to be a Robert - he could very well be a Robertsen like his son.
Robert/Robertsen are not very common names in Norway. And as we're back to square one - I too believe Henry could be from Nøtterøy/the Tønsberg area like his two comrades.
If we assume he was son of a Robertson and not a Robert there is actually only one in the area that could fit:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f60722.wc2&variabel=0&postnr=6787&fulle=true&spraak=n
He's age is "perfect" - he has no position which explains Henry's lack of info on his ancestors.
And, even if it's not the right father: forget the family owned mine. No families owned a mine in Norway. |
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stef
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Canada
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Posted - 17/08/2004 : 14:18:00
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The fact that Hendrick Hansen died at sea does'nt prove that he did not survived ,maybe he just jump the ship and been declared as perish at sea.
Many time when mariners deserted their vessell they were declared as dead but was not
I guess we can't take him out of my short list?
tank you for your attention ! |
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askeroi
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Posted - 18/08/2004 : 15:12:43
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Unless you, or anybody else, can prove otherwise I don't believe any ships captain would bring a death message home to a sailors' parents or wife and children unless they were pretty shure the sailor was dead.
Otherwise they were reported "missing, presumely dead" if he disappeared at open sea far from land (but might have been picked up by another ship - more or less likely).
But if three men disappeared in an american harbour or close to land in america I believe everybody on board would believe they guys had grabbed the chance of a new life in the new world.
The Tune guy was reported dead - no less - no question marks - he's defenitely not your anchestor.
Sorry, but.... |
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