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brketo
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 Posted - 06/01/2005 : 23:11:20
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Im looking for info on may great grandparents Andreas Paulson Bergh left Kongsberg, Norway in 1867 on the Rjukan to Quebec,Ca with wife and six children
Grandmother Karren Pedersdatter Overboe left Solvern,Indersogan,Norway in 1870 abord the Mercator they were taken off there course and were on the ocean for 19 weeks. She was daughter ofSjur Overboe Pederson and in other info I have its Sjur Pederson Overboe and I have her as Karren Pedersdatter Overboe Pederson |
Grandson of Martin Bergh, fr;Kongsberg was on the Rjukan 1867 arriving in Quebec,Ca then to MN / WI |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 07/01/2005 : 00:23:25
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Hmmm.... strange.
Did the bark Rjukan have several trips to America in 1867?
Does anybody know? Børge?
Here is the Passenger list for the departure from Skien, Norway on April 20th, arriving Quebec on May 30th., 1867.
Kongsberg doesn't have any harbour so it's quite likely that the family departured from Skien or Christiania, but I could not find Andreas Paulsen Berg on the list...
According to this page, the ship Mercator departed from Bergen on April 29th, and arrived at Quebec on June 30th, spending something like 8-9 weeks crossing the Atlantic.
Could there have been several trips that year also?
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Edited by - jwiborg on 07/01/2005 00:37:06 |
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ninakarls
Senior member
Norway
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Posted - 07/01/2005 : 00:59:17
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I find Andreas on the passenger-list of Rjukan 1869 with wife and 4 children. Maybe you can find a record of their arrival in Quebec? Could this also be him returning for a visit and leaving with his son? He is now a widower:
Emigration protocols of Oslo:
2039A 1871 Aug. 01 Andreas Andersen m E Bøssemager 34 Kongsberg Chicago 1578 Norsk Betalt Scotia
2039B 1871 Aug. 01 Adolf Andersen m u 11 Kongsberg Chicago 1579 Norsk Betalt Scotia
1865-census for 0604 Kongsberg
358b paa Ekermoen Kongsberg Underskrift: J. Lassen rodemester 6
Andreas Berg Husf Våbenarbeider g 33 m Kongsberg 1
Elise Johansd. hans kone g 33 k Kongsberg
Adolph Andreas.* hans søn ug 9 m Kongsberg
Jonas Andreas.* hans søn ug 7 m Kongsberg
Ludvig Andreas.* hans søn ug 4 m Kongsberg
Marthin Andreas.* hans søn ug 2 m Kongsberg
Emigrants from Sogn 1870:
Sjur Peders. Øvrebø gardbrukar g H 1822 Hafslo Amerika
Anne Kilden Øvrebø gardbrukarkone g E 1829
Anna Pernille Sjurd. Øvrebø gardbrukardotter u B 1851
Ingeborg Sjurd. Øvrebø gardbrukardotter u B 1853
Severine Sjurd. Øvrebø gardbrukardotter u B 1858
Peder Sjurs. Øvrebø gardbrukarson u B 1861
Karen Sjurd. Øvrebø gardbrukardotter u B 1866
Marie Sjurd. Øvrebø gardbrukardotter u B 1869
1865-census for 1425 Hafslo
Solvorn Hafslo Øvrebø
Sjur Peders. Husfader Gaarb og Selveier g 44 m Hafslo Prgj. Anna Pedersd. hans Kone g 37 k Hafslo Prgj.
Peder Sjurs. deres Søn ug 5 m Hafslo Prgj.
Anna Sjursd. deres Datter ug 15 k Hafslo Prgj.
Ingeborg Sjursd. deres Datter ug 13 k Hafslo Prgj.
Syverene Sjursd. deres Datter ug 8 k Hafslo Prgj.
Kristine Sjursd. deres Datter ug 3 k Hafslo Prgj.
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brketo
Starting member
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Posted - 07/01/2005 : 02:02:52
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| Thanks for the information, I had found that one also, but one of my proplems is the name Bergh is 85% time spelled Berg . I know our church THe Drammen Lutheran in Drammen Township between Eau Claire and Mondovi where all the records were burned years ago when the church burned, and some one redid them and they had my fathers name as Berg and his birth date wrong, WE were trying to get a passport as he was going on trip to Norway, At time he was 67 and passport wanted babtism or birth certifacte, which he had never had, or two people that could verifie when he was born, well we found the old township chaireman and was 99 years old could only make a shaky x and his son verified that it was him and one uncle had there mothers family bible with at the fot dates and name of each one, My cousin never ever seen the bible she said and her mother is just 101 and had to be put in care home as he fell while living alone and memory is fadding. Have to ecuse my typing and spelling as I only have one eye so I dont alway huit the key I think I m Thanks for the help Dick |
Grandson of Martin Bergh, fr;Kongsberg was on the Rjukan 1867 arriving in Quebec,Ca then to MN / WI |
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arnehol
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Posted - 08/01/2005 : 23:16:12
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Are you sure that it was in 1867?
If you look at the list for 1868 you can find:
Andreas Berg with wife and 4 children.
This is (probably) Andreas Paulsen Berg with wife Lise Johnsdatter and children Adolf Severin, Jonas, Halfdan Ludvig, Martin and Paul Johan (That is five children, not four as in the shipslist).
Don't know if this helps or confuses, but sending the reply anyway. I am for the time beeing looking at emigrants (mainly to the USA) from Sandsvær / Kongsberg. |
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brketo
Starting member
USA
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Posted - 09/01/2005 : 05:10:41
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arnehol 'yes I looked at that but number of childer isnt right, The children names are adolph Severin; Joans; Halfdan Ludwig; Martin; Paul Johan died aborad ship and was buried at sea; I just wounder if it is called four because of Paul Johan died at sea and was buired at see and never reached the port of Quebec. The following is all the info that I have been able to gather from and aunt that is 96 years old and she dont know where she got the info, so Im starting from scratch.Martin was my grandfather, Clarence my father
MARTIN BERGH HISTORY Page 1 –of 3
Clarence’s father was Martin Bergh son of Andreas Paulson Bergh
Martin’s father was, Andreas Paulson Bergh
Born; at Kongsberg, Norway Aug 28 , 1833 Died April 21, 1914
Married 1st wife; Lise Johansdatter Lovlia at Kongsberg, Norway
Married 2nd wife: ??? Burial at Norwegian Lutheran Cemetary
Eau Claire, Wi off Omaha St
CHILDREN; BORN; DIED:
Josephine Pauline May 9, 1855 ??
Amalie Lovise June 8, 1856 June 13, 1856
Adolph Severin Dec 27, 1857 Dec 28, 1895
Boy ( stillborn) July 14, 1861 Sillborn
Jonas Oct 6, 1859 July 9, 1947
Halfdan Ludwig Aug 25, 1862 May 25, 1931
Martin Nov 8, 1864 Jan 14, 1935 Clarence’s father
Paul Johan May 23, 1867 May 12, 1868
Christian Sept 26, 1869 ??? in California
Boy (stillborn) Nov 18, 1871 Stillborn
HISTORY;
Andreas Bergh owned a small house in Norway, which he tried to sell before leaving for America, but being unable to sell it, he just left it, only taking what they could and would need. He was a gunsmith, by trade, so had made a coffee grinder which they took with them. On board ship they had two stoves, one for the crew and one for the passangers. When the crewmen saw him grind coffee, the cook wanted to use the grinder, so they made an agreement, whereby the cook would use the grinder. And Grandma could use the stove tocook on. That went alright part of the time, but when ever there would be trouble about using the stove, granpa would take the grinder away too.
Andreas Paulson Bergh and family left for the United States, from Norway, in May 1867, on the ship RUKAN . It took them 9 weeks and they landed in Quebec, Canada. An epidemic of dysentery broke out on board ship during the crossing. Their son Paul Johan, took sick, and died, so he was buried at sea. The father took his tool-chest, and weighted it down with rocks, etc, and used this as a coffin for the little boy. They came to Red Wing, Mn lived there for 3 years then to St Paul, for a ytear,then back to red Wing, for another year, before moving to the Eau Claire area. After some time they bought a piece of land in Brunswick, Township and lived there. His frist wife Lise Johansdatter, died in St Paul, and is buried there. He then remarried;
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Grandson of Martin Bergh, fr;Kongsberg was on the Rjukan 1867 arriving in Quebec,Ca then to MN / WI |
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Brining
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 09/01/2005 : 08:15:36
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Hi I think Ninakarls has the right emigration year and found them on the 1865 census.
In the 1970 census in Redwing there is
Berg, Andrew age 37
Eliza (Lise) 37
Eddie (Adolph) age 12
John (Jonas) 11
Louis (Halfdan Ludwig) 8
Martin 5
Christian 9 months (the census was recorded June 16th)
All are listed as being born in Norway. It looks like Josephine and Amalie had died before the 1865 Norwegian census
In the 1900 census for Eau Claire
Andrew Bergh born Aug 1833 immigated 1869
Martin Bergh born Nov 1864 immigrated 1869
Louis Bergh born Aug 1862 immigrated 1869
Carla
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Brining
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
868 Posts |
Posted - 09/01/2005 : 08:36:34
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In the 1880 census Click Here Andrew is married to Ingra A. age 49 and it shows Christian as being born in Minnesota which makes sense if he was born in Sept. Annie Anderson, sister in law is living with them so Ingra A. probably stands for Ingra Anderson
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arnehol
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Norway
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Posted - 09/01/2005 : 10:52:37
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My sugestion for using 1868 instead of 1867 is a list of emigrants from Kongsberg and Sandsvaer. It was printed in a local historical magazine in the mid 1980's. In number 3 from 1983 the list contains, among others:
" Andreas Paulsen Berg, 35 years, with wife Lise Johnsdatter, 34 1/2 years and children Adolf Severin, b. 27.12.1857, Jonas, b. 6.10.1859, Halfdan Ludvig, b. 2.5.1862, Martin, b. 8.11.1864 and Paul Johan, b. 23.5.1867. To Red Wing in Minnesota. From Kongsberg 1868." (The original text is in Norwegian, translated by me.)
I know this is second hand information and may be incorrect, but when I found Andreas Berg in the shipslist from 1868, I thought I had reason to belive the year was correct, though with an incorrect no. of children.
Hope you will find the correct data. I would be pleased if you let me know.
Arne
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ninakarls
Senior member
Norway
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Posted - 09/01/2005 : 21:53:33
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arnehol, your info must be correct, if son Paul died at sea, the emigration must have taken place in 1868, as Dick actually has his death date as May 12th 1868.
From FamilySearch:
Lise JOHANSDATTER
Birth: 17 Aug 1833 Christening: 03 May 1834 Place: Kongsberg, Buskerud, Norway
Father: Johan LARSEN
Mother: Berthe Chathrine ANDERSDR
Can this be Andreas' wife? |
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brketo
Starting member
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Posted - 09/01/2005 : 23:24:32
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KARREN PEDERSDATTER OVERBOE PEDERSON was wife of Martin ; Martin’s father was, Andreas Paulson Bergh
Born; at Kongsberg, Norway Aug 28 , 1833 Died April 21, 1914
Married 1st wife; Lise Johansdatter Lovlia at Kongsberg, Norway. I need to find the second wife name on the cementery marker , as I have seen them but was unable to find out who they were. I sure thank all of you for your help and imnformation
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Grandson of Martin Bergh, fr;Kongsberg was on the Rjukan 1867 arriving in Quebec,Ca then to MN / WI |
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brketo
Starting member
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Posted - 10/01/2005 : 02:31:32
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| I meant to tell every one to exscues my spelling as I type with the hunt and poke method and only have sight in right eye so the depth perseption is ,so that I dont hit the right key all the time; |
Grandson of Martin Bergh, fr;Kongsberg was on the Rjukan 1867 arriving in Quebec,Ca then to MN / WI |
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ninakarls
Senior member
Norway
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Posted - 10/01/2005 : 20:34:16
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Here are Lise Berg's parents and younger sister in 1865:
317, Ekermogaden Kongsberg Underskrift: J. Lassen, rodemester
Johan Løvlien Husfader Sadelmager g 56 m Bærums værk
Berthe Kathrine Løvlien* hans kone g 54 k Kongsberg
Thina Løvlien* hans datter ug 10 k Kongsberg
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Borge
Veteran Moderator
Norway
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Posted - 10/01/2005 : 22:13:30
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That 1868 list is one of those with very limited information listed. Actually there are no deaths recorded on the list, and I guess the captain made it just before the arrival. These lists were actually made for customs purposes, and the passenger list was of interest to the Canadian government in regards of the landing fee to be calculated. Passengers who perished on the ocean were not counted. Here is a scan of the first page of the Rjukan list:
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Venstop
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Posted - 13/02/2006 : 15:58:24
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Venstop
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Posted - 13/02/2006 : 16:00:34
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| I am interested in Johan Larsen Løvlien (Husfader Sadelmager g 56 m Bærums værk in 1865), my ancestor. He was born in 1810. Where was he or his father in 1801? I notice there is a Lovlien for Askershus, Hedmark, and Oppland in 1801. |
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Looking info on Andreas Bergh fr;Kongsbergh 1867
