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Kåarto
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 Posted - 18/08/2007 : 22:32:56
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Hei Wanda.
More emigrants from Uvås;
Margit Halvorsdatter Uvås brother Johannes Halvorsens grandson Ole Halvorsen born June 3.1828. Two of his godparents was Anne Olsdr and her husband Sheriff # 11 John Torbjørnsen Hjartsjø.
Another of the godparents was Margit Johnsdr Ryen in Hitterdal. She was born 1799 on Uvås (daughter of Johanes Halvorsen Uvås, Margit´s brother) and married my g.g.grandftaher John Gregarsen Ryen´s nephew John Ambrosen Ryen born 1794.
Ole Halvorsen Uvås married Mai 24. 1847 Aslaug Jarandsdr born 1831, the same day they emigrated with her parents Jarand Olsen and Guri Torkelsdr; 152-53-54-55, Click here
Ole Halvorsen Uvås partisipated in the Civil war Click here, info from private sources so descendants from Ole and Aslaug are living in USA today.
Still you have the Mosebø family and more from Uvås.
More lookups in Hjartdalssoga need to be sorted out first.
Take care,
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Edited by - Kåarto on 18/08/2007 23:40:53 |
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Lislcat
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Posted - 19/08/2007 : 01:03:48
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Hello Kåre,
I'm a little confused. Are we related through a godparent, or is the godparent, Margit Johnsdatter Ryen, actually related to both of us?
This is very interesting and I think you had a feeling after seeing the farms that were in my family that there might actually be a link. Very exciting stuff!
Thanks again! Wanda |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 19/08/2007 : 20:58:10
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Hi Wanda,
Margit Johnsdatter Uvås/Ryen was daughter in law to my gggrandfather John Gregarsen Ryen´s elder brother Ambrosius Gregarsen Ryen.
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hasto
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Posted - 26/08/2007 : 19:02:42
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One candidate to check out:
Johannes Jensen Ramberg, born 7/7 1856 on Ramberg in Flakstad, Nordland county. Emmigration 1884 to US.
Birth 7/7 1856 Scanned chuch records Flakstad
1865 census Ramberg farm, Flakstad
Trondheim port emmigration records 1884 Johannes Jensen (28) a sailor, travelling via Kristiania (Oslo), heading for Rankin, Illinois.
Far from Vegårdshei, wrong birth date, wrong year, emmigration 10 years off. But the name fits. He might well choose to call himself Johannes Berg when ha came from Ramberg farm, and then later on Johannes Berge. |
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Lislcat
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Posted - 26/08/2007 : 20:02:24
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Harald,
Thank you so much for searching. I'm always hoping that someone is going to come across something that I've missed. I know that he emigrated from Norway in 1874 or 1875, because he has stated that on two different US Census's. He married in Portage County, Wisconsin in either 1884 or 1885, but had already owned another farm, before settling on the farm with my great grandmother. I do think that you are right, in that his last name "Berge" is only going to be part of the original farm name. I believed I've searched every Berge farm in the 1865 Norway Census and unless he was living somewhere else at the time of the census, I don't think that his farm name was Berge.
I think one reason I can't find him in immigration records is that he came through Quebec. If you look at the ships that sailed in 1874 and 1875, a large amount of them were bound for Quebec.
Did someone mention that Canada is working to put some more immigration records on line? You can search by ship now, but it would be nice if you could search by passenger name.
Thanks again for your help!
Take care, Wanda |
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hasto
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Posted - 26/08/2007 : 21:05:47
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| Johannes Jensen Ramberg was a sailor. He then probably left home as a youth. He might have jumped the ship and might have been in America several years before he In 1884 emigrates and brings his youger brother Peter with him. |
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Lislcat
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Posted - 26/08/2007 : 22:11:44
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Harald,
Anything is possible, but other than a story that he came over with a brother and they separated when they got to the states, I don't have any proof that he had any siblings. He has no family, other than his children, listed in his obituary. Unlike his wife, who had at least 10 siblings and all but one, were born in the US. My father never remembered any relation from Johannes's side of the family. It's always been a bit of a mystery. I'm going to check land ownership records and see when he bought the first farm and the one he finally settled on. I just feel fairly certain that he was already settled in Wisconsin by 1880 and I'm fairly certain that he wasn't a sailor. My father said that he always thought he remembered him talking about working in a saw mill. I found a John Berge in Wood County, Wisconsin, that was working in a sawmill in 1880. Portage County is right next to Wood County, so he was probably working to save up enough money to buy some land. Also, my Uncle who is now 80 years old, remembers celebrating their birthday's together when he was young, because they were just two days apart. My Uncle's birthday is June 6th.
I appreciate your help. Believe me, you can ask anyone on here who has read my posts, I'm constantly trying to make someone be my Johannes Berge and it just doesn't work. I'll find him eventually, but until then, I'd appreciate it if anyone is doing searchs in parish records, if you could take a look at the birth records for June 8th of 1855, since he really could of come from anywhere in Norway. My great aunt told my brother that Johannes came from the Vegårdshei area, but I'm starting to wonder if he misunderstood her and she was really talking about where her father came from, which was near Vegårdshei and Søndeled in Aust Agder. Therefore, I'm keeping all options open.
Thanks again, Wanda |
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Edited by - Lislcat on 27/08/2007 04:33:07 |
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Lislcat
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Posted - 07/09/2007 : 22:27:46
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Finally!
I have some information on Johannes Berge. I found his marriage record at the Wisconsin Historical Society today. They had his name wrong. I expected it to be John Jenson and Olina Olson/Johnson. They had John Johnson and Alina/Olina Olson. It stated that his mother's name was Emma Nelson Johnson, which doesn't quite match with what I thought it should be, but it's close. I thought her name would be Ingeborg Nilsdatter. I've been trying to link my Johannes Berge with Johannes Jensen Gedberget from Gausdal, Oppland, Norway. The birth date is off by a few months, but everything else looks good and I may have found a relative. The person contacted me after I posted my question about Johannes Berge on the Norway List. Her great grandfather also came from the Gedberget farm and is possibly a cousin of Johannes's. They also settled within a few miles of each other in Alban and New Hope townships in Portage County, Wisconsin. He took the name Berg from Gedberget and we think Johannes took Berge. I found a John J. Berget coming over on the Assyria on May 13,1873. The census had said that he immigrated in 1874 or 75, but that could be wrong.
I'm going to keep on searching! Just wanted to update you and see if anyone had any ideas.
Take care, Wanda |
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hasto
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Posted - 08/09/2007 : 10:04:32
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| Emma NelsonJohnson is a perfect match to Ingeborg Nilsdatter. In US you have many standard short names, like Robert=Bob, Theodore=Ted etc. We don't have that in Norway, except for one (1800-1950): Ingeborg=Emma. |
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Lislcat
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Posted - 08/09/2007 : 17:00:19
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Thank you Harald!!!!
The person that contacted me about the Gedberget farm, said that she thought Emma might be short for Ingeborg, but I'm so glad that you confirmed it!!!! So hopefully, I'm on the right track.
Thanks again for your help!
Wanda |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 21/09/2007 : 08:32:22
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Hi Wanda,
bringing up this link again concerning Johannes J. Berge on page one, top of this topic, perhaps someone has better luck in searching Johannes.
New family members in your family tree from Hjatdal.
Deilda was Nord Lonar
Lensmann Jon Torbjørnsen Hjartsjø´s daughter Ragnild born 1821 married Ole Johannesen Hjartsjø born in local parish Sauland on one of the Mosebø farms 1816. They emigrated 1843.
Ole´s birth record Mai 30. 1816 #8
Ole was son of Johannes Olsen Deilda born 1772 on Nord Deilda and Ingeborg Olsdr, they married Dec. 1805.
Johannes was son of Ole Olsen Lonar born mai 22 1735 and Astri Olsdr Tveten /Nord Deilda. They married April 5. 1764.
Ole Olsen was son of Ole Gunleiksen Lonar born about 1705 -dead March 22. 1783 and Søve Bjørnsdr born about 1709- died 1741.
Ole Gunleiksen was son of Gunleik Olsen Lonar born born about 1666 - died Apri 1757 and Gunnild (unknown last name) born about 1673- died Jan. 1739.
Gunleik Olsen was son of Ole Torgeirsen Lonar born about 1612- died Mai 1700 and Torgon Knudsdr Lonar born about 1620- died june 1698.
Ole Torgeirsen was son of Torgeir Lonar and unknown mentioned on Lonar 1640-41, likely from farm Frøland in Hjartdal.
I´ll send you 11 scanned records and from the census´s concerning these persons.
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Lislcat
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Posted - 21/09/2007 : 16:52:01
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Kåre,
Thank you very much! It's wonderful to know more about Ole, since Ragnhild came from a more prominent family and there is more information on them.
In the book, "From the Indian Land", by Malcolm Rosholt, it says this about her family.
"Ola Johanson Juv (1817-66) from Hjartdal, and wife Ragnhild Hjertjo, daughter of the philanthropist and widely-known bailiff of Hjardal, John Hjartsjaa (Hjertso in Danish). Ragnhild was born in 1820 and died in 1862. Ola J. was married again to Gro Gryte from Tinn who died in 1866."
It also mentions a John Olson Hjertsjo or Hjartsjo. I know that Ragnhild had a brother that came over after her and Ole, but I believe his name was Ole Johnson, so I'm not sure who this person is.
"John Olson (Hjartsjo) and wife Agnete Maelom. She had an accident in which she lost both of her feet." I know that the name Maelom, became Melum in this area.
Thanks again, for all the help.
Take care, Wanda |
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Lislcat
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Kåarto
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Posted - 22/09/2007 : 00:31:16
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Hi Wanda,
Gro Olsdr Gryte was born on Gryte in local district Dal in Tinn parish, Telemark, on July 7. 1826.
Parents Ole Halvorsen and Helge Johnsdr Grytte, right page #4
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DALB
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Posted - 22/09/2007 : 05:59:45
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I don't follow how Gro Olsd fits into your family, but her family is listed in the Tinn Soga II, Dal Sogn, Sud Saheim, Gryte br nr 1 page 659.
page 660 - Ole Halvorson marr 1815 to Helge Johsdtr Veset
Ole's parents - Halvor Gunnulvson Såheim (see nord Saheim br nr 2) he died 1793 and Tårån Olsdtr Children - Ole, Guro, Gro and Gunhild
Halvor's parents - Gunnulv Augustinusson d. 1775 and Gro Eivindsdatter d. 1812 age 87
she remarr. in 1777 to widower Jon Øysteinsson
Gro & Gunnulv's children - Augustinus, Jon, Ola , Halvor, Torstein
On the 1801 census at Søum are Ole # 1830, sister Gunild #1831, his mother,Taaran #1829 and her mother Groe # 1832
# 1833 and 1834 is his sister Groe and her husband
Also # 1841 is Halvor's mother Groe #1841 age 80 and her 2nd husband John age 60
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=11&filnamn=f10826&gardpostnr=160&personpostnr=1841&merk=1841#ovre
Ole's other sister, Guro is marr and living in a different parish - Moe (Mæl) also in Tinn.
#'s 2188, 2189, 2190 and 2191
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=7&filnamn=f10826&gardpostnr=185&personpostnr=2188&merk=2188#ovre |
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