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letaoconnor
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 Posted - 25/10/2007 : 04:31:04
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Jakob Anderson born May 5, 1836 - Hole, Hurumeie, Norway
Marta M Larsdatter born June 11, 1846 - Kirkerrud , Norway
Married May 21, 1866 Sylling Church, Sylling Norway
Jakob's father was Anders Johannessen - Hole, Hurumeie. Not sure when he was born or who his parents would be.
Jakob's mother was Mari Johnsdatter - Hurum Farms, born in 1792?? No further information about her.
Jakob was illegitimate, so I do not know if his parents Anders and Mari ever were married to each other or if they married other people. I do not know if there are siblings to Jakob. Looking for any information related to my family.
Marta was the daughter of Lars Evensen (1818) and Kirsti Andersdatter 1823. Kirsti's parents were Anders Gulbranden and Mari Jakobsdatter. I do not have farm name's or dates.
Jakob and Marta came to Leer Michigan some time in 1872. I would like to find the name of the ship and if other family member beside their children came with them.
I have been on the digitalarkivet web site and found a few records. English-Norwegian dictionary only gets you so far and is very time consuming, but I am still learning.
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 25/10/2007 : 11:48:59
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I don't know WHICH records you've already found - it actually appears as quite a few.
Sylling church is a parish church within the district of Lier, Buskerud, Norway. The marriage record between Jacob Andersen and Mari Larsdatter -
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5885&idx_id=5885&uid=ny&idx_side=-243
If you need help to translate the headings of the parish record columns consult the article about Norwegian church records in this collection -
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~norway/articles.html
Please clarify which records you already have (perhaps giving links to them here) - I'd feel silly wasting my time finding the same things again.
Am I correct that Jacob was not from Lier district but possibly from Hole or Hurum areas of Buskerud? |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 25/10/2007 : 13:50:26
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Available resources for family history research in Lier district of Buskerud, Norway.
"Liers Historie", series of 6 volumes by Rolf Fladby, Ola Bjerkas and Steffen Gausemel.
Parish church records (Lier including the parishes Frogner, Sylling and Tranby) for years 1672-1932 on LDS microfilm.
(LDS also has probate records, court records, censuses 1664-1900, land and property records, )
Lier parish church records scanned and available on Digitalarkivet website for years 1672-@1969.
The work of translation might be a bit slow - but luckily there is a great deal of wonderful material to be translated. Small price to pay IMO.
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Lislcat
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 25/10/2007 : 18:03:51
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Census-1880 for Alpena, Alpena, Michigan.
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Lislcat
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Posted - 25/10/2007 : 20:09:55
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If you look at the list of those that left with Jakob and Marta in July 1872, I believe one of them to be Marta's sister Mari, who is listed in the 1865 census as living with her parents, Lars Evensen and Kirsti Andersdatter.
Wanda
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Hopkins
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letaoconnor
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Posted - 26/10/2007 : 05:38:52
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Originally posted by Lislcat
Here they are leaving for America in July (?) 1872. They are #91 - 96 on the right hand page.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20061101360357.jpg
Just click on the image to enlarge it.
Wanda
Wanda
Thank you for the ship information. Can I ask you how you found it so fast? Where is the name of the ship listed? |
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letaoconnor
Junior member
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Posted - 26/10/2007 : 06:06:09
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[quote]Originally posted by Hopkins
Jacob Andersen was born in Hole district of Buskerud (not Lier).
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1093&idx_id=1093&uid=ny&idx_side=-16
Thank you. You are correct about Jacob being born in Hole. I would like to find out more information about his mother and father, but I see that the census records are 1801 then 1865. Are the church records the best way for me to go now? I really do appreciate all of the assistance everyone has given me this is wonderful.
Another question. Are you saying that I can go to one of the LDS offices and ask to see the Liers Historie Microfilm or is this available on line to look at?
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Kċarto
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Posted - 26/10/2007 : 09:17:18
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Hi,
not sure but this could be Jacobs mother Mari Johnsdatter age 12 in 1801 on farm Moe Nordre (Northern) and her parents, cotter with land John Olsen and Eli Elefsdatter and two siblings, Ole and Dorthe.
This could be his father Anders Johansen age 7 in 1801 on farm Stadum and his parents, cotter with land Johannes Pedersen and Giertrud Pedersdatter and one brother, Peder age 3.
Only a theory:
Normally if Jacob was oldest son he would have been named after one of his his grandfathers, so for that reason it seems perhaps he could have elder brothers.
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Edited by - Kċarto on 26/10/2007 09:28:32 |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 26/10/2007 : 11:53:17
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In my opinion the Norwegian church records are the very best resource for detailed primary source research in Norway. (Perhaps as I learn more about probate records, etc. I'll change my mind about that.) The census databases are wonderful - but limited in dates as you've noticed. The bygdeboker are usually great too - but not all areas of Norway have that type of book written about them and some of those books are better than others.
The record that Wanda gave you was a "leaving the parish" listing from those Lier church records and not an emigration record or a ships passenger list so it can't give a ship name. Many times (but not always) a person or family that had decided to emigrate went to the church and reported their decision and it was so noted on the "utflytte" section of the parish books. But also many never bothered to so report or the local "scribe" of the parish records didn't make a note of it. The record for your family leaving the parish will help you narrow down the time when you might be able to find a listing shortly later at the port where they had chosen to board a ship. (Check for closest and most likely port of departure on a map. From Lier, Buskerud perhaps Oslo/Kristiania?)
The LDS have the "Lier Historie" volumes on the shelves in their Salt Lake City Library but do NOT have those volumes copied to microfilm or microfiche that you can easily borrow at one of their many Family History Centers. I'd use the detail information about the books in the LDS library catalog to make a request for inter-library loan through my local public library if I wanted to see those books. I checked the librarian's online "WorldCat" and find that at least 8 libraries in the US include at least some volumes of the "Lier Historie" in their holdings and therefore it seems a given that at least one of them would be willing to loan them to your local public library. (You'll probably be asked to pay a nominal fee to cover shipping costs, etc.)
But before you borrow them - know that they are written in Norwegian! (of course they are, what would we expect, Greek?) Make sure you have a good Norwegian-English dictionary. Also try to contact a group or individual that already has those particular books or access to them. There are often persons who volunteer to do limited lookups in Norwegian bygdeboker that they own. (They won't do your family history research for you - but they will generously take limited time to look up one or two individuals so that you are more certain you are heading in the right direction.) You especially want to know if someone can help you determine which volume of the series contains the farm name(s) where you've found your Lier family history. (I'll try to do some searching onllne and post some suggestions later.)
Many of these very basic suggestions can be found in a friend's "how-to" articles online. I reread them regularly and recommend them. -
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~norway/articles.html
Another good but specialized "how-to" site -
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~norway/articles.html
(Oops - my error)
http://www.rootsweb.com/~norway/DigitalArchives.html
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 26/10/2007 : 12:23:18
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Buskerud is not an area of Norway I have familiarity with so I'm having to give you possible suggestions that I've found online.
Follesdal organizes some information about Buskerud -
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~norway/buskerud.html
From that website it appears there is a US based "club" of persons with ancestry from Lier and nearby areas. They might be useful to contact and/or join.-
http://www.fellesraad.com/rdd-home/index.htm
(Includes HOLE in Buskerud - another area you have much interest in.)
Places to check for possible volunteer lookups -
http://www.rootsweb.com/~norway/lookups.html
http://www.rootsweb.com/~bwo/
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wgnorway/lookups.html
The LDS library catalog lists possibly useful bygdeboker for Hole, Buskerud too. This old one appears to be available on microfiche -
"Ringerikske slekter : oplysninger om slekter og slektsgaarder" by A. Lagesen (Contains a history and a genealogy of the people and their farms in Romerike in Buskerud county, Norway. Includes the parishes: Hole, Tyristrand and Norderhov.)
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 26/10/2007 : 12:38:38
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That birth/baptism record for Jacob Andersen in Hole, Buskerud indicates that he was born to unmarried parents - both of them earlier widowed - so I'd imagine there MIGHT be older half-siblings on both sides? Later siblings? - impossible to guess, not enough facts...
The father is also listed as being a soldier (soldat)? |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 26/10/2007 : 14:12:41
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Hi,
many links to seach.
Church records online for Hole
Church records online Lier parish and Sylling
"Folketellinger" means Cencus´s
Kirkerud is a farm in Lier.
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 26/10/2007 : 14:20:52
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Kirkerud was earlier a sub farm to Lier vicarage.
Kirke means church.
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Jakob and Mathea Anderson - Info needed
