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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 04/02/2008 : 06:36:41
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They are here
Niels and Eli were married Dec 3 1778, see left hand page lower part here
Niels came from Wiig and Eli from Trygsle (Trøgsle).
They were at Trygsle when Maria was born, see #6
Eli was actually baptized Olia Aug 23 1761, see right hand page here
her father was Povel Trygsle and her mother Mari.
Nils was baptized Jan 23 1757, see bottom of left hand page here
his mother was Kari (most likely Joensdatter) |
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Edited by - eibache on 04/02/2008 09:54:19 |
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letaoconnor
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Posted - 04/02/2008 : 11:14:07
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Einar,
Which first name would be more supported for documentation: Niels or Nils, I can list them both with notes attached to each. Same with Eli, should she be listed as Eli or Olia and I have Paulsdatter, not Povelsdatter.
Just of giggles how do you figure out from Nils baptism records that Kari's last name might be Joensdatter?
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 04/02/2008 : 13:40:45
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Your choice would be just as good as mine, but I think I would stick with Niels, Eli and Poul for Elis father.
When Nils was baptized one of the godparents was Kari Joensdr Bili - same farm as the father - it could be the mother. |
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letaoconnor
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Posted - 05/02/2008 : 00:50:55
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This is the information from the Hole Bydegbok about Nils and Eli. Could you look at my translation and fill in the gaps?
Danmark la ute pa de flate akrene nord for dagens Seltevie, pa gensa mot Stein. Navnet Danmark er trolig et oppkallingsnavn det flate jordet ble sammenliknet med det flate landet. Danmark var plass under den delen av Vestre Sorum som tilhorte Bjornstad familien, inntel den ble fraskit og solgt in 1799. Den forste selveieren i Danmark het Nils Kristofferson. Da han
i 1778 bel gift med Eli Paulsdatter Trogsle (1761-1814), var han bosatt pa Vik. De bodde in Trogsle (ved Sundvollen) da deres forste barn ble fodt i 1779 men fra 1781 var de husmannsfolk
i Langebru pa Sorumsmoen og i 1792 i Jomfruland under Stein. Vi kjenner fem av deres barn:
This is what I have translated it to be and you can start laughing now.
Danmark (la?) out on the flat (akrene?) north the day before Seltevie, at (grensa?) against Stein. (Navnet?) Danmark is probably one named after the flat buried was (sammenliknet?) with the flat land. Danmark was placed under the part of Vestre Sorum which (tilhorte?) Bjornstand family, until it was (fraskit?) and sold in 1799. The first (selveieren?) in Danmark was Nils Kristofferson - 1758 when he in 1778 was married to Eli Paulsdatter Trogsle (1761-1814) was he to live at Vik. They lived in Trogsle (by Sundvollen) when their first child was
born in 1779 but from 1781 was the (husmannsfolk?) in Langebru at Sorumsmoen and in 1792 in Jomfruland under Stein we find 5 of their children.
There are more paragraphs, but I thought I would take it slowly. Thank you again for your time. |
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eibache
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Posted - 05/02/2008 : 07:47:24
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Well done - here are some small changes:
Danmark (lå? - "was lying" or "situated") on the flat (åkrene?- fields) north of the present Seltevie, at (grensa? - the border) against Stein. (Navnet? - The name) Danmark is probably (named after) "a nickname" - the flat field was (sammenliknet? - compared) with the flat country. Danmark was a cottage place under the part of Vestre Sørum which (tilhørte? - belonged) to the Bjørnstad family, until it was (fraskilt? - partitioned) and sold in 1799. The first (selveieren? - freeholder) of Danmark was named Nils Kristofferson. When he in 1778 was married to Eli Paulsdatter Trøgsle (1761-1814) he was living at Vik. They lived at Trøgsle (by Sundvollen) when their first child was born in 1779, but from 1781 they were (husmannsfolk? - cottage people) at Langebru on Sorumsmoen and in 1792 at Jomfruland under Stein. We know 5 of their children: |
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letaoconnor
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Posted - 05/02/2008 : 13:20:35
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So let me see if I understand this paragraph. Danmark is a new farm that was created after the Bjornstad family partitioned it from the larger farm Vestre Sorum. Niels was the first person to own this new farm. Is that what it mean to be a freeholder? But before that Niels and Eli lived on the farm Vik, then the farm Trogsle where Marie was born. Then they moved again to Langebru and moved again to Jomfruland. Are the last four all farms under Stine? So, did they ever live in Danmark. All of the the different areas are a bit confusing.
The next part of the book lists all of the kids.
The next paragraph starts out with In December 1808 and I haven't figured it all out yet, but I think he is selling/or renting the property to Halvor Larsen. Is it ok to post this type of information on the Forum? I really do appreciate the assistance with the translation.
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letaoconnor
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Posted - 05/02/2008 : 13:27:33
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eibache
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Posted - 05/02/2008 : 16:24:28
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It was Niels who came from Vik and married Eli from Trøgsle and there they got their first child Marie. Then they moved to Langebru (actually it should have been Langbru) under Sørum and Jomfruland under Stein.
The paragraph starting out with "I desember 1808 -" says the Niels then bought a mountain pasture on Krokskogen for 48 riksdaler (daler = old Norwegian silver coin) from Halvor Larsen, and in 1813 he borrowed 500 riksdaler from chamberlain Peder Anker against mortgage in «pladsen Dannemark». In 1815 there was division of inheritance after Eli Paulsdatter. The gross value was estimated to 151 spesidaler 63 1/2 skilling, including the cottage place Danmark (120 spesidaler) and the pasture at Torgesetra (16 spesidaler 77 skilling), but the dept was more than 259 spesidaler, and therefore there was nothing to the inheritors. In 1816 Niels Kristoffersen married Else Guttormsdatter, widow after cotter Jakob Gulbrandsen Mo-eie. |
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letaoconnor
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Posted - 28/04/2011 : 23:45:30
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John Jacobsen's birth record.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8518&idx_id=8518&uid=ny&idx_side=-97
John Jacobsen's confirmation record.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1093&idx_id=1093&uid=ny&idx_side=-212
Would like to know if you think this is the same person.
I have found a John Jacobsen on the 1865 census (Hole, record 965, age 38.) I think his occupation is a shoemaker. My dictionary doesn't have all of the words needed to translate the remarks, but I think maybe he was a boarder. At this time he is unmarried.
I have not had much luck finding him on the 1875 census, so I am not sure if he passed away or immigrated. My gggrandfather Jacob Andersen, who is John's 1/2 brother immigrated to the US in 1872 and I am not sure if John and Jacob were close brothers. Their mother was Mari Johnsdatter, John's father John Jacobsen must have passed away sometime between the time John was born in 1831 and the time Jacob was born in 1836. Jacob has a different father and was illegitimate. Again any assistance would be truly grateful.
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