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gorresen
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 Posted - 10/11/2007 : 17:31:32
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Want to know name of a GØRRISSEN who traveled from LEVANGER or TRONDHEIM to Rio de Janeiro in 1850 and returned to Norway. Another Gørrissen, FABER MARCUS JOHNSON, born in 1826,remained and married in Brazil.
Also, the names of all the passengers (106?) of the ship Sophie; plus the ones who settled in Brazil; the ones who returned to Norway; the ones who proceed to California; etc..
Am a descendant of Faber Marcus, born in Brazil. I would like to learn more about the other families of the original 74 Norwegians who came down to the Colony D. Francisca in Santa Catarina state in Brazil |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 12/11/2007 : 23:10:58
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Hi,
at what age would this Gørrissen be? You have no firstname of him? Or relatives? Children?
Also; a bit strange that you have Faber Marcus with two patronymic's; Johnson and Gørrissen... How where they related?
And you have never seen the passengerlist of the ship Sophie's trip to Brazil? Do you know any names of the other settlers at the same time?
Many questions, but there's always a hope to locate them... 
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 13/11/2007 : 01:46:21
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Looks like your folks are from Stjørdal in Nord-Trøndelag, half-way between Levanger and Trondheim.
Marcus Johnsen Faber Gørresen
Birth: 23 JUL 1826, Stjørdal, Nord Trøndelag
Chr: 03 SEP 1826, Stjørdal, Nord Trøndelag
Parents: Hermann Egedius Gørrisen & Kirstine Dons(?)
Marriage: 29 SEP 1857, Joinvile, Santa Catarina, Brazil
Spouse: Caroline Schneider
Link 1 Link 2
Could this be a half brother of him?
Hermann Egedius Gørrisen
Birth: 13 JAN 1822, Vaernes, Stjørdal, Nord Trøndelag
Chr: 26 May 1822, Vaernes, Stjørdal, Nord Trøndelag
Marriage: 23 APR 1847, Selbu, Sør Trøndelag
Death: 1905
Spouse: Kari/Karen Larsdtr
Parents: Hans Hermann Egedius Gørrisen & Anne Marie Jensen
Link 1 Link 2 Link 3
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Edited by - jwiborg on 13/11/2007 01:55:27 |
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gorresen
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Posted - 13/11/2007 : 02:20:28
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To Jan Peter WIBORG:
Thanks for your interest in this matter. First, answering your questions:
1- this other GØRRISSEN, would be related to my great-grandfather FABER MARCUS, I guess. Faber Marcus was born in 23/June/1826. I learned that he had a brother named HILMAN CHRISTIAN GØRRISSEN, born in 9/October/1827, married to MARIE SOMMER. He died in 8/July/1865. They had 2 sons: AXEL WALDEMAR GØRRISSEN, born 15/May/1851 and HERMAN EGIDIUS GØRRISSEN, born 6/January/1863, who died in SAO FRANCISCO DO SUL, Santa Catarina state, Brazil.
Another GØRRISSEN, brother of FABER MARCUS, was AUGUST KERSTENS WIGETRØM GØRRISSEN, born 24/August/1843 who also died in Sao Francisco do Sul.
I may assume that HILMAN CHRISTIAN would be the Gørrissen that made the trip together with Faber Marcus but decided to return (to Norway ?) as they were both young and single at the time.
2- The two patronymics names: JOHNSON and GØRRISSEN may have come from:
a-Faber Marcus' father first wife: ANNA MARIE JOHNSON, born 12/February/1796 and died 15/October 1822. They had 2 children: Herman Egidius Gørrissen, born 14/January/1820 and died 12/May/1905 and Anna Marie Gørrissen, born 15/October/1822 ( note that it was the date Anna Marie JOHNSON died).
However, his father second wife was CHRISTINE DONA, born 21/October/1800 and died 5/December/1859, the mother of Faber Marcus, Hilman Christian, August Kerstens plus Meta Adelheide; Fredrike Emile; Hanna Christine; Josephine Georgine.
b-the father of Faber Marcus Johnson was named HANS HERMAN EGIDIUS GØRRISSEN, born 21/March/1791 and died 27/March/1861.
3- I don't have the passenger list of "SOPHIE", however I have a list of 61 of the 74 Norwegians that came down from Rio de Janeiro aboard the bark "COLON" to the Colony Dona Francisca in Santa Catarina state (a province at that time as Brazil was ruled by an Emperor, D. Pedro II).
Of the 74, 13 turned back right away aboard "Colon" and 61 remained for a while. I guess one of the 13 returning was a Gørrissen. Did he returned back to Norway or did he make to California?
If you are interested, in a further contact, I may provide you with the names of the 61 who stayed.
You may also try your Portuguese by accessing Wikipedia, looking for "Lista dos primeiros imigrantes da Colonia Dona Francisca"....
Under "Ship Sophie, Year 1850, Cap. T.V. Lesen from Levanger to Rio de Janeiro" in Norway-Heritage, there is a good piece of information about these idealistic and young Norwegians of which I am a proud descendant.
I am interested in knowing ( how many and their names ) of the original 74 Norwegians who made to California; who returned to Norway; who went to other countries ( I know there are Gørrissen in Australia! ) ; etc.
Thank you very much again for you answering my topic. Sincerely,
Paulo Gorresen |
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eibache
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Posted - 13/11/2007 : 14:10:03
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Josephine Georgine Gørrissen married Halvor Aslachsen in 1877, see #31
Halvor was as telegraph station manager.
Josephine was born April 23 1838, see #159
Faber Marcus brother August was actually baptized August Carstens Vikstrøm Nov 5 1843, see #254 |
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Edited by - eibache on 13/11/2007 15:02:28 |
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gorresen
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Posted - 14/11/2007 : 01:23:49
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quote:
Originally posted by eibache
Josephine Georgine Gørrissen married Halvor Aslachsen in 1877, see #31
Halvor was as telegraph station manager.
Josephine was born April 23 1838, see #159
Faber Marcus brother August was actually baptized August Carstens Vikstrøm Nov 5 1843, see #254
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gorresen
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Posted - 14/11/2007 : 01:36:03
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To EIBACHE:
Thanks for your added information. Sorry that I didn't know how to answer correctly and punched the wrong button. Hope this gets to you.
Besides JOSEPHINE GEORGINE, I have the names of other sibblings:
1- META ADELHEIDE GØRRISSEN, born 17/December/1824; died 25/May/1903;
2- FREDRIKE EMILIE G. " born 16/May/1830; married to HANS JOHN;
3- HANNA CHRISTINE G. " |
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gorresen
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Posted - 14/11/2007 : 02:19:07
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To EIBACHE:
Again I punched the wrong key!!! Continuing:
3- HANNA CHRISTINE GØRRISSEN, born 6/December/1832, married to Mr. HØNNE;
these being the sibblings to FABER MARCUS plus the already mentioned HILMAN CHRISTIAN and
AUGUST CARSTENS VIKSTRØM.
This information I received from Gørrissen relatives in Norway, written in Norwegian and translated by a Danish daughter-in-law...
It also says that their father, HANS HERMAN EGIDIUS GØRRISSEN, was born in FLENSBORG in the region SLEVIG-HOLSTEIN and after moving to TRONDHEIM was the owner of the farm VAERNOS in STJØRDALEN.
Hans Herman's father was also named HANS, born 14/November/1754, married to HELENE FABER; and
Hans' father was named JOHAN DIEDRICH GERHARD AUGUST, born 1729, married to MARIA CRISTINA NISSEN.
And Johan Diedrich's father was named HANS, born 1698, married to AGNETA NISSEN.
That's how far I get.
Is it possible to add more information to these?
I appreciate yours and WIBORG's contribution.
Thanks again,
Paulo Gorresen
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Hopkins
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Posted - 14/11/2007 : 12:09:00
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| If born in "SLEVIG-HOLSTEIN" then not born in Norway. Schleswig-Holstein is area geographically located between Denmark and Germany (and with long history of being claimed by both countries). LDS library catalog indicates an area in Schleswig-Holstein called Flensburg - they list it as " Germany, Preußen, Schleswig-Holstein, Flensburg". |
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gorresen
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Posted - 14/11/2007 : 17:41:35
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To my helping friends WIBORG, EIBACH and HOPKINS:
Thanks for the additional input.
I am very happy to find so much more about my ancestry. First, that the correct name of my Great-Grandfather was MARCUS JOHNSEN FABER GORRESEN (GØRRISSEN ?) then that his father was actually born in Germany!; then that my Great-Grandmother was born in SOHREN BOHN, POMMERN, PREUSSEN !
To help others who may want to know about their relatives who made the trip to BRAZIL in 1850/1851, here goes the list of 61 NORWEGIANS that went to Colonia Dona Francisca aboard the bark "COLON":
( to have the approximate year of birth, subtract their age from 1852)
1- MOELLER, M. A. WILHELM age 27
2- FALCK, JOHANN CHRISTIAN " 47
3- IVERSEN, IVER "25
4- GLAD, JENS CHRISTIAN " 26
5- RYNNING, C. A. " 28
6- EIDE, JOHANNES IVERSEN "26
7- MUNKEROESTAD, JOHANNES JOERGENSEN 23
8- BUCK, LARS " 30
9- STØEN, NILS ENGELBRECHTSEN "25
10-LYE, NICOLEI OLSEN "26
11- HALLAND, JOHANNES NILSEN " 23
12- SETHER, OLE "23
13- AAGAARD, J. OLANS JOERGENSEN "29
14- AALBORG, ANDREAS " 31
15- MALUM, JENS "24
16- TETLIE, PETER " 22
17- FORSETH, AMBROSIUS " 30
18- UDTBYE, PEDER OLSEN " 28
19- MELE, JOHN OLSEN " 25
20- LANGEMOE, LARS LARSEN " 27
21- LIE, IVER " 29
22- STENE, ANDERS ANDERSEN " 26
23- KJELSTRUP, LARS " 40
24- SCHEEM, JOHANNES "28
25- BREKAN, CHRISTOPHER NILS " 38
26- KLEVEN, LIVERT THORESEN "26
27-RUKKE, JOHANNES HANSEN " 47
28- GIPLING, PETER LARSEN "23
29- BREDBERG, JOHAN DAVID " 27
30- RANUM, ANDERS " 32
31- NERLAND, JOHANN PETER HANSEN "20
32- KROGEN, ERNEST LORENTZEN "23
33- BERG, JOHANN ARENS " 42
34- BEYE, JOHANNES " 26
35- MAHOLDT, HOLGER " 30
36- LIAN, NILS THORSTEINSEN " 26
37- KETTELSEN, OLENS "26
38- KJESBAE, KUNDT OLSEN " 45
39- WETTEN, PAUL " 29
40- SORTHE, HAAGEN " 32
41- PAULSEN, MARTIN " 34
42 STOERSETH, ANDREAS ANDERSEN " 45.
These 42 men remained for a while in the Colony.
But the following 19, stayed longer and some settled in Brazil:
1- ULRIKSEN, ULRIK age 23
2- HANSEN, SIMON " 19
3- LYNG, RUDOLF " 24
4- OLSEN, GYERTH " 31
5- SIMONSEN, JOHN " 25
6-KRABOEL, CORNELIUS " 35
7- NORDBYE, MARTIN " 21
8- ROEVOLD, ANDREAS PEDERSEN " 36
9- SOMMERSCHILD, HYRONIMUS " 24
10- TALEMOE, CHRISTOPHER LARSEN "23
11- JEMT, OLE OLSEN " 27
12- PETTERSEN, PETER GUSTAV "35
13- FLOTTEN, LAURENZ " 28
14- LUTTERSEN, HANS PETER " 32
15- GOERRESEN, FABER MARCUS " 26
16- HANSEN, HANS PETER " 26
17- STEENSEN, LARS "33
18- SLIPER, JOERGEN " 38
19- AUNE, PEDER PEDERSEN " 27.
I would very much like to hear from the descendants of any of them, especially from the last 19 above, Maybe Wiborg, Eibach or Hopkins may be able to trace their fate or whereabouts.
Paulo Gorresen
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Admin
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Posted - 15/11/2007 : 09:38:48
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| Thanks for posting the list, I hope it is ok woth you if we include the names in our database? |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 15/11/2007 : 11:08:18
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Hi Borge,
here is the profession listed as well.
alfaiate = tailor
arquiteto = architect
caldeireiro = boilermaker
carpinteiro = carpenter
comerciante = trader
ferreiro = blacksmith
forjador = ?
lavrador = farmer
marceneiro = ?
marinheiro = sailor
mecânico = mechanic
médico = doctor
negociante = trader
ourives = silversmith
padeiro = baker
pedreiro = mason
sapateiro = shoemaker
telheiro = ?
veterinário = veterinarian
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eibache
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Norway
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Posted - 15/11/2007 : 17:22:36
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| I don't know if you have seen the record for "Landhandler" (country store keeper) Herman Egedius Gørissens death, but here it is #35 |
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gorresen
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Posted - 15/11/2007 : 19:33:53
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To EIBACH:
Thanks for the information on HERMAN EGEDIUS GØRISSEN.
I had his DOB as 21/march 1791 and death date as 27/march/1861, making him a 70 years and 6 days old. In the record for "Landhandler" shows him as a 71-year old... Tough Norwegians!
Paulo Gorresen |
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tronder
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Posted - 19/11/2007 : 10:18:02
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Hello Paolo
What great news to read your request to the Norway Heritage forum about ”Sophie”. I have been collecting information about this, in its time, famous gold digging expedition, for almost 30 years. One reason being that one of my great-great-grandfathers was a member. His name was Ole Jacobsen Masteraas at the time, born 1810 in Skogn. He was not one of the 74 who accepted the offer to become a colonist, rather he was among the first ones to return to Norway. He must have returned by August 1851, because 9 months later a daughter was born to him, so his stay in Rio had to have been short, allowing for a 3 month return voyage. Another reason is that I’m interested in the emigration from the Trondheim area in general, and am preparing to write a book about that subject. But I would also like to write a book about this expedition of 1850, and for that purpose I have been trying to identify as many of the 106 members as possible. That has not been easy, and I have still not finished that work.
One thing is to identify the 61 colonists that we know the names of, another is to find out who else were among the remaining 45 expedition members. In your email of Nov. 14 supplying the list of these 61, you give their ages. I have not seen their ages before, and checking them against my own list, reveals that the given ages are in some cases way off what their real ages were. For example C.A. Rynning is given as 28 years of age, while his real age was 34. Haagen Sorthe is listed as 32 years of age, but he was in fact 51. So the ages must be taken with a large grain of salt. What is your source? My source is the newspaper Morgenbladet July 6, 1862.
In addition to these 61 I have a list of 41 possible members, some of whom are pretty certain, while others are not so certain. You write that you would like to hear from the descendants of any of these 61, in particular the 19 who remained for some time in the colony. I cannot help you with that right off hand, but in some cases I have been in touch with relatives, descended from a brother/sister to one who was on “Sophie”. In one case I have met Brazilian descendants of one of the colonists, and that happened three years ago, here in Trondheim. The emigrant was Gjert Olsen, and I met 3 descendants whose name was Olsen. That family has an internet site, with which you may be acquainted. The address is www.familiaolsen.com, and they have family reunion every other year.
In my effort to collect information about the 106 gold diggers, I have tried to look for pictures of them. They are hard to find, and the Olsens did not have one of Gjert. Do you have one of your great-grandfather?
Your information that a brother to your great-grandfather emigrated with him, is new to me. He was Hilman Christian, b. 1827, you are guessing, and that may well be correct, but you also say that his son Herman Egidius came to Santa Catarina. Do you know in what year? What happened to his other son, Axel Waldemar?
You would like to know how many of the 74 who made it to California, who returned to Norway and who went to other countries? Well, those are questions that are interesting to me, too. Of the 61 colonists I have identified 17 who made it to California. Another 11 have also been identified from the 41 on my second list. Of the 61 colonists 19 returned to Norway. Some of these had also been to California. Of the 41 I have information on 11 who returned to Norway. To sum up, 28 made it to California, and 30 returned to Norway. I know at least 4 who went to Australia later to dig gold there, but only one remained there all his life. Some of those who went to California, probably stayed in the USA, but I little information about that.
Well, that is some of what I have. I hope we can exchange more information. |
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gorresen
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Posted - 19/11/2007 : 16:27:34
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Hello JOSTEIN HOLDER:
We surely can exchange more information ! I am very happy to find some one like you who may have so many more stories about those daring young Norwegians who travelled to California but may have stayed in Brazil or Australia.
Going directly to your questions:
1- Re. OLE JACOBSEN MASTERAAS, born 1810. You are right that he may be one of the 13 that decided to hop on the bark "COLON" on her return from COLONIA DONA FRANCISCA after dropping some 118 Germans and Swiss immigrants who left Cuxhaven on January 4, 1851 and arrived in Colonia Dona Francisca on Mars 8, 1851. It may be possible that Ole Jacobsen was aboard on the return trip to Norway, arriving there by August 1851 as you said. Can you get the passenger list of "Colon" that may have departed Colonia D. Francisca AFTER 26/ March/ 1851?
(there is more on this trip later on).
2- Re. AGES: If you access Wikipedia, looking for "Lista dos primeiros imigrantes da Colonia Dona Francisca", there is a list with the 61 Norwegians which tried to stay at the Colony for a while. It shows their LAST NAME, NAME, AGE and PROFESSION. This list on Wikipedia is already a possible copy of the original list in the book I refer below and the names and ages are not always correct...
My G-Grandfather MARCUS FABER was born in 1826. In the list it shows his age as 26 what makes it right if the list was made in 1852.
The book "125 jahre Joinville" (pages 100 to 103) by ADOLF SCHROEDER, gives an acount (in German) of the arrival of the 74 Norwegians in SAO FRANCISCO DO SUL on 26/March/1851 aboard two ships contracted in Rio de Janeiro:
a- "Gloria dos Anjos" and b- "Penha".
Note the date of their arrival: 26/March/1851 and the arrival of "COLON": 8/March/1851. It is quite possible that some Norwegians made the return trip to Norway aboard the bark "Colon".
3- Re. OLSEN; thanks for the lead, I'll try to contact them.
4- re. PICTURES : I have a picture of my G-Grand father MARCUS FABER . I'll try to send it to you by e-mail.
5- Re. HILMAN CHRISTIAN, born 1827; died 8/July/1865, that is with 38 years of age. Married SOPHIE SOMMER, had 2 sons: 1- HERMAN EGIDIUS, born 6/March/1863; died ? in SAO FRANCISCO DO SUL; and 2- AXEL WALDEMAR, born15/May/1851; died ?/ 1869, that is at age 18! I had heard from my Grandmother the story of these two Norwegians (my G-GF Marcus Faber's BROTHER : AUGUST CARSTENS VIKSTRØM and his NEPHEW: HERMAN EGIDIUS who had died in Brazil but never knew the dates.
6- Re. MY CURIOSITY: Can you tell me the names of the 28 who made to California; and the 30 who returned to Norway plus the 4 who went to Australia? Checking GØRRISSEN on Google it appears one in Australia... Would that be the one of the four who travelled to Australia and remained there all his life?
I hope to have contributed with some more information for your book and feel free to ask some more questions. With the help of WIBORG, EIBACH , HOPKINS and now yours, I may want to write a book too...
Paulo Gorresen
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Ship "SOPHIE" to Rio de Janeiro in 1850
