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jwiborg
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 Posted - 08/12/2007 : 23:58:15
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Wow!! It is the right people!! 
I found them in Suffolk, MA in the 1930 census!
John S Evger, Suffolk, MA, born abt 1869
Marie T Evger, Suffolk, MA, born abt 1867
Bjarne Evger, Suffolk, MA, born abt 1900
Erling Evger, Suffolk, MA, born abt 1902
Aagot E Hanson, Suffolk, MA, born abt 1893
Walton R Evger, Suffolk, MA, born abt 1924
Looks like he is living with his maternal grandparents John & Marie Evju...  Since you said his mum is born in America, I believe their daughter Gulborg Johansen Evju, b. 28.11.1904 is Walter's mother..., she is (so far found) their only child born in the US. But where is she in the 1930-census? Gulborg could very well be born in MN, since these people first imigrated in 1902. At some time they must have gone back to Norway, and went back again to MA in 1914.
1900 census for Oslo, Norway (named Christiania at that time)
Street: Bergensgade 9
Johan Sevrin Johansen Evju, nail worker at factory, born 1868 in Kongsberg, Buskerud county
Thale Marie Evju, wife, born 1866 in Hoff Jarlsberg, Vestfold county
Aagot Edvarda Evju, daughter, born 1892 in Jevnaker, Oppland county
Sigrid Mathilde Evju, daughter, born 1894 in Norderhov, Buskerud county
Sverre Evju, son, born 1897 in Lysaker, Oslo
Bjarne Evju, son, born 24 Feb 1900 in Oslo
Jan Peter |
Edited by - jwiborg on 09/12/2007 01:09:13 |
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Hopkins
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 09/12/2007 : 02:35:06
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Johan Severin Edvardsen
Born: 16 MAY 1868, Kongsberg, Buskerud
Christening: 12 JUL 1868, Kongsberg, Buskerud
(illegitimate child)
Parents: Edvard Johansen & Mathilde Mortensdr
Link 1 Link 2
Source information: Buskerud county, Kongsberg, Parish register (official) nr. 10 (1859-1875), Birth and baptism records 1868, page 84.
Actually, Edvard & Mathilde got married on the same day as the christening of Johan Severin, but still the priest wrote illegitimate in the record... it was too late...
Marriage 12 JUL 1868
Bachelor and clerk Edvard Johansen Hellerud (b.10 NOV 1843) & girl Mathilde Mortensdr Brakel (b.25 JUN 1846)
His father: Johan Peter Anthoniusen
Her father: Morten Brakel
Source information: Buskerud county, Kongsberg, Parish register (official) nr. 10 (1859-1875), Marriage records 1868, page 228.
Clerk Edvard Johansen in the 1865 census.
Mathilde Mortensdr ("Tilla Brakel") in the 1865 census.
I'm not sure where the Evju name fits in, but it's for sure not any city named Evjutown in Norway, and I don't think any relative have been the "owner" of such a town.
The Evju name might come from one of the Evju farms in Buskerud county, possibly Sandsvær or Kongsberg.
Johan Evju's daughter Sigrid is born 19.10.1894 in Norderhov, Buskerud county. There is a farm called Evjua in Norderhov... maybe they lived there for a few years and took the name from that farm?
It doesn't look like the Evju name can be connected to Johan's parents, so it looks like it comes from a place where he stayed.
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Thale Marie Olsdr
Born: 23 SEP 1866, Hof, Vestfold
Christening: 28 OCT 1866, Hof, Vestfold
Parents: Ole Syversen & Elen Karine Gundersdr
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Source information: Vestfold county, Hof, Parish register (official) nr. 6 (1851-1877), Birth and baptism records 1866, page 162.
Census-1865 for Thorrødeie farm in Hof, Vestfold:
Thale Marie had atleast 9 siblings!
The owner of the cotter's farm where they are staying is the municipality's poor relief fund.
It was expensive to provide food for 10 children. The father Ole Syersen is a travelling trader.
Jan Peter |
Edited by - jwiborg on 10/12/2007 14:50:15 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 09/12/2007 : 10:55:20
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When Aagot Edvarda was baptized Johan Severin was a worker at the Randsfjord Paper Mill. They came from Hole, Ringerike where they were married. See #2
Johan Severin was confirmed at the Strømsø church (Drammen) in Sept 1893, Tale Marie was confirmed Oct 1891 in Hof.
Johan Severins occupation is said to be "Sømand" - seaman and coming from Strømsø. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 09/12/2007 : 11:17:50
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Thanks for the marriage record, eibache!
It confirms that we have the correct christening records in Johan Severin Edvardsen (b. 16 MAY 1868, Kongsberg, Buskerud ) and Thale Marie Olsdr (b. 23 SEP 1866, Hof, Vestfold).
Wonder how Johan Severin got the Evju name? Could it be from the Evjua farm in Norderhov, Buskerud?
Maybe he moved to Follum paper mill?
Jan Peter
ps: Wouldn't Johan Severin be confirmed ab 1883, and Thale Marie ab 1881? |
Edited by - jwiborg on 09/12/2007 11:22:40 |
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eibache
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Posted - 09/12/2007 : 11:36:48
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Of course the confirmation years were wrong, see #28
and for Thale Marie #36
Thale Maries mother was Elen Karine Gundersdatter, born in Hof 1821, see #32
Ole and Elen Karine got married in 1842, see #7
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 10/12/2007 : 13:30:12
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Seems hard to find any Evju connection in Kongsberg/Sandsvær even we are very close, se bottom.
From Jan Peters reply:
Mathilde "Tilla" Brakel parents Morten Andersen Brachel christened june 22. 1805 in Kongsberg (also spelled Brackel and Brakkel in the probateregisters) and Berte Marie Olsdr Mosebekk married nov. 16. 1833 #31.
The familyname Brackel was likley coming from a German miner who settled down in Kongsberg about 1700, Morten´s parents were Anders Halvorsen Brackel and Helene Andersdr. Gysler, see probateregister for 1798
Berte Marie Olsdatter was christened Nov. 23. 1805 in Komnes local parish in Sandsvær parish and munciplity, central left page, her parents were Ole Rolfsen Mosebekk and (not mentioned) Åse Marie Halvorsdr Bjertnes Click here
Bjertnes and Evju are neighbour farms only separated by the river Lågen by about 100 yds, that´s the closets I can get at the moment.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 10/12/2007 : 14:53:58
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It sure looks like we have enough evidence now to say that neither of John or Marie Evju's parents originates from an Evju farm.
Thus; I believe Johan Severin must have stayed at an Evju farm in the late 1890's, before the family moved to Oslo [Christiania].
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Shariwa
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Posted - 10/12/2007 : 18:13:54
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quote:
Originally posted by jwiborg
Wow!! It is the right people!!
I found them in Suffolk, MA in the 1930 census!
John S Evger, Suffolk, MA, born abt 1869
Marie T Evger, Suffolk, MA, born abt 1867
Bjarne Evger, Suffolk, MA, born abt 1900
Erling Evger, Suffolk, MA, born abt 1902
Aagot E Hanson, Suffolk, MA, born abt 1893
Walton R Evger, Suffolk, MA, born abt 1924
Looks like he is living with his maternal grandparents John & Marie Evju... Since you said his mum is born in America, I believe their daughter Gulborg Johansen Evju, b. 28.11.1904 is Walter's mother..., she is (so far found) their only child born in the US. But where is she in the 1930-census? Gulborg could very well be born in MN, since these people first imigrated in 1902. At some time they must have gone back to Norway, and went back again to MA in 1914.
1900 census for Oslo, Norway (named Christiania at that time)
Street: Bergensgade 9
Johan Sevrin Johansen Evju, nail worker at factory, born 1868 in Kongsberg, Buskerud county
Thale Marie Evju, wife, born 1866 in Hoff Jarlsberg, Vestfold county
Aagot Edvarda Evju, daughter, born 1892 in Jevnaker, Oppland county
Sigrid Mathilde Evju, daughter, born 1894 in Norderhov, Buskerud county
Sverre Evju, son, born 1897 in Lysaker, Oslo
Bjarne Evju, son, born 24 Feb 1900 in Oslo
Jan Peter
Hi Jan,
I'm not as convinced as you are. Unless I see a birth certificate for my Gpa validating that one of these people are his Mom or Dad, there is just know way to know for sure. I'll have to keep digging. I appreciate the info, but I think I'll keep looking for the proof I need. |
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Shariwa
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Posted - 10/12/2007 : 18:21:03
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Originally posted by Hopkins
Don't miss the links to Massachusetts genealogy related websites and other resources.
http://www.cyndislist.com/ma.htm
http://www.rootsweb.com/~websites/usa/massachusetts.html
http://www.rootsweb.com/~manorfol/manorfol.htm
Good luck.
Hi,
I just went to those pages and they don'y really do me a whole lot of good. I don't understand them, or how to use them and they don't post any information that is of any use to me.
Also, the info is too early. My family didn't come here until the 1900's and all the info posted on those sites is 1600 - 1890. Doesn't really give me what I'm looking for.
I need a backwards search starting with me and working my way back to the first Evju immigrants. Then from there, I can search thru the 1800's, 1700's. and 1600's.
I think I want to slow down a bit. Y'all are getting waaaaay to far ahead of me. I believe I need to rethink my strategy. |
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Shariwa
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Posted - 10/12/2007 : 18:27:26
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Thank you everyone for the info, but I'm not so sure that the info posted here pertains to my family.
I need to find my Gpa's birth cerificate first and foremost before I go any further.
This is going to take some time and money I don't have right now.
Let's just slow down a bit and take a break.
I'll update my post when I find my Gpa's birth certificate.
Happy Holiday to all!! |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 10/12/2007 : 19:03:52
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Hi Shariwa,
I understand your doubt to all this new info given here during the last days, and it is actually very smart of you to be sceptical about it!
Especially, since we haven't found Walter's parents!
However, even though we haven't found his parents yet, I'm 99.99% sure that we have found the correct family. So let's take a look at some "facts".
I'm confident Walter's last name Evju must come from John & Marie Evju, found as "Evger" in Suffolk, MA, census-1930.
There is no noubt in my mind that Walton R Evger living with them is your Gpa Walter R. Evju, born April 14,1924.
If someone could have a look at the original 1930 census images, we could have confirmed that it should read Walter R Evju.
Unfortunately, I don't have a subscription at Ancestry.com, and it doesn't look like noone else here have it either. Maybe you could ask for a lookup somewhere? Possibly, his mother are listed on the same census image.
So to the Norwegian information.
I agree that this is early information, but it only contain some proof of John & Marie Evju's ancestors.
To summarize:
Johan Severin Johansen Evju (aka John S. Evju), born: 16 May 1868, Kongsberg, Buskerud. Parents: Edvard Johansen & Mathilde Mortensdr
Thale Marie Olsdr (aka Marie Evju), born: 23 Sep 1866, Hof, Vestfold. Parents: Ole Syversen & Elen Karine Gundersdr
Johan & Marie Evju had (at least) the following children:
Aagot Edvarda, b. 17 Nov 1892
Sigrid Mathilde, b. 19 Oct 1894
Sverre, b. 04 Feb 1897
Bjarne, b. 24 Feb 1900
Erling, b. 09 Feb 1902
Gulborg, b. 28 Nov 1904
This family emigrated in 1902, at some time went back to Norway, and went back to the US again in 1914.
And they can be found as Evger in Suffolk, MA, cernsus-1930, together with a boy named "Walton R", 6yrs old.
If you look at the names and their age, and compare it with the names and ages of the Evger family in MA, census-1930, you'll see that it is the same people:
John S Evger, Suffolk, MA, born abt 1869
Marie T Evger, Suffolk, MA, born abt 1867
Bjarne Evger, Suffolk, MA, born abt 1900
Erling Evger, Suffolk, MA, born abt 1902
Aagot E Hanson, Suffolk, MA, born abt 1893
Walton R Evger, Suffolk, MA, born abt 1924
Now the question is; why is Walton [Walter] living with them? The original census image might tell.
Is he the son of Johan & Marie Evju? Very doubtful, Marie was 58 yrs old in 1924.
Is he adopted? Possibly...?
Is he the son of one of Johan & Marie's children? Very likely!
The original census image might tell.
Maybe "Gulborg" is living there as well? Could she be his mother? Most likely, she is listed with a different surname than "Evger".
Jan Peter |
Edited by - jwiborg on 10/12/2007 20:05:44 |
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Shariwa
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Posted - 10/12/2007 : 19:21:04
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Originally posted by jwiborg
Hi Shariwa,
I understand your doubt to all this new info given here during the last days, and it is actually very smart of you to be sceptical about it!
Especially, since we haven't found Walter's parents!
However, even though we haven't found his parents yet, I'm 99.99% sure that we have found the correct family. So let's take a look at some "facts".
I'm confident Walter's last name Evju must come from John & Marie Evju, found as "Evger" in Suffolk, MA, census-1930.
There is no noubt in my mind that Walton R Evger living with them is your Gpa Walter R. Evju, born April 14,1924.
If someone could have a look at the original 1930 census images, we could have confirmed that it should read Walter R Evju.
Unfortunately, I don't have a subscription the Ancestry.com, and it doesn't look like noone else here have it either. Maybe you could ask for a lookup somewhere? Possibly his mother are listed on the census image as well.
So to the Norwegian information.
I agree that this is early information, but it only contain some proof of John & Marie Evju's ancestors.
To summarize:
Johan Severin Johansen Evju (aka John S. Evju), born: 16 May 1868, Kongsberg, Buskerud. Parents: Edvard Johansen & Mathilde Mortensdr
Thale Marie Olsdr (aka Marie Evju), born: 23 Sep 1866, Hof, Vestfold. Parents: Ole Syversen & Elen Karine Gundersdr
Johan & Marie Evju had (at least) the following children:
Aagot Edvarda, b. 17 Nov 1892
Sigrid Mathilde, b. 19 Oct 1894
Sverre, b. 04 Feb 1897
Bjarne, b. 24 Feb 1900
Erling, b. 09 Feb 1902
Gulborg, b. 28 Nov 1904
This family emigrated in 1902, at some time went back to Norway, and went back to the US again in 1914.
And they can be found as Evger in Suffolk, MA, cernsus-1930, together with a boy named "Walton R", 6yrs old.
Now the question is; why is he living with them? The original census image might tell.
Is he the son of Johan & Marie Evju? Very doubtful, Marie was 58 yrs old in 1924.
Is he adopted? Possibly...?
Is he the son of one of Johan & Marie's children? Very likely!
The original census image might tell.
Maybe "Gulborg" is living with as well? Could she be his mother? Most likely, she is listed with a different surname than "Evger".
Jan Peter
Jan,
I am about 40% sure that you are right.
I remember my Gpa saying that he grew up with his Gma.
I met her and she said the same thing.
I can't remember what she told me as to why, but I do remember that.
The thing that concerns me is why the name change from Evger to Evju, or visa versa??
Is my real family name Evger or Evju?
Another thing is my GGma's fist name, I am almost 98% sure it was Gertrude.
Did she change her name?
What's with all the name changing?
Is there some kind of family secret?!
This is all so strange, frustrating and confusing to me!!
I wish I knew the truth. I don't understand all the changing of names and secrecy.
UGH!! GGGGRRRR!!!! |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 10/12/2007 : 19:27:11
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Hi,
the family name has never been Evger.
It has been Evju all the time, since late 1890's at least.
The reason it is spelled Evger in the 1930 census is most likely a transcription error made by the transcriber of the original census image.
Again, if you look at the original census image, I would guess it reads Evju.
If (very unlikely) for some reason, the original census-image also reads Evger, I can see only one reason for that: The census-taker asked the family what their name was; and John replied (with a Norwegian accent) Evju, and the census-enquirer wrote down Evger...
Jan Peter |
Edited by - jwiborg on 10/12/2007 19:36:24 |
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Shariwa
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Posted - 10/12/2007 : 19:42:29
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quote:
Originally posted by jwiborg
Hi,
the family name has never been Evger.
It has been Evju all the time, since late 1890's at least.
The reason it is spelled Evger in the 1930 census is most likely a transcription error made by the transcriber of the original census image.
Again, if you look at the original census image, I would guess it reads Evju.
Jan Peter
Well THAT'S good to know. At least it's not a step back and sideways.
I'd hate to find out I'm searching the wrong family and then have to look somewhere else.
It would be nice if they had spell check back then. LOL!
I don't suppose it would do much good if it were a typing error.
Well, Cie La Vie!!
So how about my GGma's first name? How do you explain that?
Is it just the faulty memory of a teenage girl growing old? LOL
It has been 23 years since that day I sat with her.
Maybe I was wrong. Maybe I heard it wrong. I do have a hearing problem. (deaf in one ear). And I'm no spring chicken anymore.
OMG, Please tell me age isn't creeping up on me so soon. LOL!! |
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