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Lester Hanson
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 Posted - 10/12/2007 : 19:55:15
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The 1930 census is a definite Evju. Sorry, I have to run an errand or I would try to post it.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 10/12/2007 : 19:57:18
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That's excellent, Lester! 
I can not explain your GGma's first name, because I don't know who she is!
It could be Gulborg, but that was only said because she fit's somehow with the age you first said.. (being ab 6yrs old in 1912).
John & Marie could have more children, younger than Gulborg. Maybe they have a Gertrude Marie as well, born 1906? 
You have to start with the 1930-census, and read the complete original image, ande look for all the people listed there. Then find Walter's birth record, locate the family in the 1920-census, find his mother's birth record etc...
Jan Peter |
Edited by - jwiborg on 10/12/2007 20:02:07 |
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Shariwa
Starting member
USA
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Posted - 10/12/2007 : 20:16:43
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Originally posted by Lester Hanson
The 1930 census is a definite Evju. Sorry, I have to run an errand or I would try to post it.
Les
Thank you Les. I look forward to hearing from you later. Have a good day!! Drive safe! |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3351 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2007 : 20:16:43
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Many Norwegian born people took more "American" sounding names (both given and last names). In my family a Lars became a Lewis, a Sjur became a Stewart, a Kari became a Carrie, a Jorna became a Julia, Rolf was called Ralph half the time, etc. It didn't take any legal papers - names most often change just by useage. It is perfectly legal as long as not for purposes of crime or misrepresentation .
If your Norwegian name was Gulborg or Gulbørg and you suddenly found yourself in an American elementary school -- what would the other kids call you? what name would you choose to be called by? (You said she was very young when she immigrated.)
That's the way you need to think about it. -- And NEVER expect spelling to be "accurate" on all old documents.
If we are lucky - old age is creeping up on all of us. One day at a time. I think creeping seems preferable to overtaking swiftly. Let me get used to this -- slowly, slowly -- and hopefully for a long long time. |
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Shariwa
Starting member
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Posted - 10/12/2007 : 20:23:30
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Originally posted by Hopkins
Many Norwegian born people took more "American" sounding names (both given and last names). In my family a Lars became a Lewis, a Sjur became a Stewart, a Kari became a Carrie, a Jorna became a Julia, Rolf was called Ralph half the time, etc. It didn't take any legal papers - names most often change just by useage. It is perfectly legal as long as not for purposes of crime or misrepresentation .
If your Norwegian name was Gulborg or Gulbørg and you suddenly found yourself in an American elementary school -- what would the other kids call you? what name would you choose to be called by? (You said she was very young when she immigrated.)
That's the way you need to think about it. -- And NEVER expect spelling to be "accurate" on all old documents.
If we are lucky - old age is creeping up on all of us. One day at a time. I think creeping seems preferable to overtaking swiftly. Let me get used to this -- slowly, slowly -- and hopefully for a long long time.
Thank you for the laugh!! I needed it!!
you could be right about the name change. after all, my birth name isn't Shari.
I suppose that I'm letting things get to me lately. The holiday and all. |
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Shariwa
Starting member
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Posted - 10/12/2007 : 20:28:31
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Originally posted by jwiborg
That's excellent, Lester!
I can not explain your GGma's first name, because I don't know who she is!
It could be Gulborg, but that was only said because she fit's somehow with the age you first said.. (being ab 6yrs old in 1912).
John & Marie could have more children, younger than Gulborg. Maybe they have a Gertrude Marie as well, born 1906?
You have to start with the 1930-census, and read the complete original image, ande look for all the people listed there. Then find Walter's birth record, locate the family in the 1920-census, find his mother's birth record etc...
Jan Peter
Jan,
How do I look at the census? I'm new to this whole thing and I've looked at some records , but on the web and I can't seem to find what I'm looking for. Do I have to pay to look at it? Isn't it supposed to be a public record? I thought public records were supposed to be just that, public...... and free?
Can you or anyone on here give me a clue as to where to start? |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2007 : 20:33:00
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Yes, you'll need a subscription at Ancestry.com or similar sites to be able to view the original census image. A subscription at http://www.ancestry.com/ will give you access to a lot of information though, information which are not available for "free"...
But if you're patient, you can wait 'till Les has finished his errand, and is back here! He said something about being willing to download the image from the 1930-census containing the "Evger" family, and post it here...
Jan Peter |
Edited by - jwiborg on 10/12/2007 20:40:51 |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 10/12/2007 : 22:02:59
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Those actual records ARE public and free to the public. But you have to go to where they are to look at them. A National Archives repository, possibly a state historical society ... wherever. That's one reason I've been advising you to get the advice of a local genealogical and/or historical society. They might know where you can LOCALLY find such records or copies of the records.
The companies which have scanned the images and indexed the censuses and other records for online availability -- did that at their own expense, they maintain huge online websites and they sell their services for a profit. Sometimes you can find "library versions" of those subscription services freely available through your local public library.
Many many original records and documents from all over the world have been microfilmed and can be ordered for use at any of the LDS Family History Centers around the world. An LDS microfilm might cost about $5.50 to have sent to your nearest center from their Salt Lake City repository and it will typically be available at your local center then for your use for about 5 or 6 weeks. Some centers have slightly different costs - but not much difference. They are run on a non-profit basis -- but they do make minimal charge for services so that they at least recoup their costs.
Sometimes you can also catch online subscription services such as Ancestry.com offering a limited free trial membership period. Watch for those offers and have an organized list of things you want to look for if you decide to try that.
I find the "detective work" necessary to find the records to be at least half the fun of this genealogy hobby. Enjoy! It can be great fun and always challenging.
A good friend always signs off with "Happy Hunting". I wish that for you too! |
Edited by - Hopkins on 10/12/2007 22:12:26 |
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Lester Hanson
Advanced member
USA
567 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2007 : 23:35:10
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Shari,
My computer skills don't allow me to post the 1930 census with the Evju's to this web site. I will contact you via this website and I can send you an attachment of their census record.
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Shariwa
Starting member
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Posted - 11/12/2007 : 01:54:17
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Originally posted by Hopkins
Those actual records ARE public and free to the public. But you have to go to where they are to look at them. A National Archives repository, possibly a state historical society ... wherever. That's one reason I've been advising you to get the advice of a local genealogical and/or historical society. They might know where you can LOCALLY find such records or copies of the records.
The companies which have scanned the images and indexed the censuses and other records for online availability -- did that at their own expense, they maintain huge online websites and they sell their services for a profit. Sometimes you can find "library versions" of those subscription services freely available through your local public library.
Many many original records and documents from all over the world have been microfilmed and can be ordered for use at any of the LDS Family History Centers around the world. An LDS microfilm might cost about $5.50 to have sent to your nearest center from their Salt Lake City repository and it will typically be available at your local center then for your use for about 5 or 6 weeks. Some centers have slightly different costs - but not much difference. They are run on a non-profit basis -- but they do make minimal charge for services so that they at least recoup their costs.
Sometimes you can also catch online subscription services such as Ancestry.com offering a limited free trial membership period. Watch for those offers and have an organized list of things you want to look for if you decide to try that.
I find the "detective work" necessary to find the records to be at least half the fun of this genealogy hobby. Enjoy! It can be great fun and always challenging.
A good friend always signs off with "Happy Hunting". I wish that for you too!
I was wondering if you had to be LDS to access that info. I guess they have records for everyone, not just LDS. How ironic that I live in SLC. I have a heritage center close by. I'll contact them and see what I can find out. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2007 : 08:50:50
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Thanks, Les.
Here is the 1930 census image from Suffolk, MA:
Gulborg K. is also living in the house, with husband Harry and a son Ernest W born ca 1827. She is listed as Lulborg K Lohne at Ancestry.
Harry Lohne, Suffolk, MA, abt 1899
Lulborg K Lohne, Suffolk, MA, abt 1905
Ernest W Lohne, Suffolk, MA, abt 1927
Is their Lastname Lukno?
Looks like Aagot is a widow, and have a son named George, born 1918...?
Walter is listed as "son", maybe he is adobpted by John & Marie?
Click here
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 11/12/2007 : 10:34:19
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This is Johan Severin Johannesen born 1868 in Kongsberg you found in the 1900 census for Oslo and in the records for Kongsberg Jan Peter, see the 1930 census abowe.
He was a "illegitimate" son of Mathilde Brackel and clerk Edvard Johannesen and Johan Severin used his fathers surname. #69
Edward was born Oct. 8. 1843, his parents were Johan Peter Antoniussen Evju and Anne Serine Sørensdr #45
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 11/12/2007 : 12:51:58
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Shari,
I think we can say that based on the 1930 census, we have the correct family!
But the question remaining is, who are his parents? My guess is that Johan & Marie Evju are his G parents.
Walter's birth certificate should tell.
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3351 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2007 : 13:45:08
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If you live in Salt Lake City you can go downtown to the Family History Library (right across the street from their Temple Square) and use their films and books for FREE. They will have ALL the US and Norwegian censuses copied to microfilm that you can use. You'll only have to pay to make copies and last January I had to pay five cents per sheet copy at the FHL.
You do NOT have to be a Mormon and they will not preach at you or try to convert you to their religion in the Library. It is free and available to those who wish to research their family histories.
There is public transportation just half a block from the front door of the Library that I noticed on my last visit.
In the International Section of the Library there is even a help desk with volunteers to help you in Scandinavian languages and research techniques. There are often free classes available during the day about basic genealogy research techniques, research in various countries and many other genealogy topics.
You'll find people there who can probably give you great advice about searching out the Massachusetts records you want (if they don't already have copies in their collection) and probably finding Boston ship passenger arrival lists too.
http://www.familysearch.org/
The Family History Library has a HUGE collection of Norwegian bygdeboks - those published volumes of genealogy and history written about many many Norwegian districts. If you haven't heard about those yet - they are discussed in the various articles of the following valuable collection.
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~norway/articles.html
When I can travel to Salt Lake City I spend a week at a time wandering the Norwegian records and books (with perhaps very brief excursions in the other floors of US and Canadian record collections). I'm always sad to have to leave and yes, I'm saving my money for my next trip to that American "gold mine" of a genealogy repository. Their collection of materials is so vast that I don't know if I'll ever be "finished" in the Salt Lake City Family History Library. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 11/12/2007 : 16:24:49
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Regarding Walter..., he is born in Massachusetts, his father is born in Massachusetts, his mother is born in Norway.
Regarding George (b.1918), both his parents are born in Norway.
Could Aagot Edvarda be their mother? She emigrated in 1912, also according to the census... Interesting! Thanks again, Les!
I found Gulborg's christening record!
Gulborg Konstanse is born 28 Nov 1904 in Oslo, Norway.
Source information: Oslo county, Sagene, Parish register (official) nr. 4 (1894-1904), Birth and baptism records 1904, page 289.
Jan Peter |
Edited by - jwiborg on 11/12/2007 17:49:29 |
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Need info about Evju travelling to America ?1912?
