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MAJA520S
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 Posted - 23/04/2008 : 03:44:48
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I am looking for someone who can help me figure out information from Norway on a family who immigrated to the USA in 1842 on the ship Emilie. The names on the ship list are as follows
14 Christopher Hellicksen Førlie 48 m man - tiller
15 Gunbiør Hellicksdatter Førlie* 40 f wife G. N: Gunbjørg Helliksdatter Solheim
16 Hellik Christophersen Førlie* 21 m bachelor
17 Christopher Christophersen Førlie* 10 m boy
18 Joran Christophersdatter Førlie* 6 f child
The names changed once they came to the state of Illinois in the USA to
Christopher Farley b: 1792 in Norway. He died in Muskego Wisconsin shortly after arriving in the USA. His wife and 3 children then moved from Muskego Wis to Adams Township, LaSalle Co., IL. Her name in the USA was Combjor Farley. She died 1859 in Adams, Township, LaSalle Co., IL All our census records say she was born in Norway.
The childrens names in the US were Hellick C Farley b: abt May 1 1818-1821 in Norway. He died in Adams Twp.
Christopher Farley son b: May 15 1832 in Norway and died Aug 11 1895 in Adams Twp.,
The girl in the passenger list went by the name Julia Farley. born: Dec 27 1836 in Norway and died Oct 18 1918 in Adams Twp., Julia's death notice states she was born in Kronsberg, Norway.
I have followed them threw the census records here in the US., I have looked for death notices for them only to locate Julia's here in the US.
I am hoping someone might be able to help me locate them. It's my understanding that the name Forlie (o with a line through it) might be a surname from a farm, perhaps there is one in the county Kronsberg, Norway.
Several questions I have on the family are, 1.) were there more children born to Christopher and Combjor? there is a 11 year gap between Hellick and ths son Christopher. 2.) Who would Christopher and Combjor's parents are and info about them. 3.) What date did Christopher and Combjor get married.
Anything anyone can help me with would be wonderful!
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/04/2008 : 04:40:26
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The 1801 Norwegian census indicates a farm or two by the name of Førlie in Flesberg district of Buskerud, Norway. I don't know of any area in Norway called Kronsberg -- but there is a Kongsberg also in Buskerud. The areas of Flesberg and Kongsberg appears to be close together in that fylke/province.
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/buskerud.html
In the parish records for Flesberg Jøran Christoffersdatter appears as the daughter of Christoffer Hellicksen Førlie and his wife "Gunbjor"? Hellicksdatter. The last entry on the page linked here -
Birth/Baptismal record for 1837
Continue your research in Flesberg, Buskerud and you'll undoubtedly be able to answer many of your questions.
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/articles.html
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/04/2008 : 04:45:14
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You will probably want to take advantage of the online scanned images of the Norwegian parish records.
The Digitalarkivet web site has been adding scanned images of the original Norwegian parish church records for anyone with Internet access since November 2005.
The Digitalarkivet web site - http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebFront.exe?slag=vis&tekst=meldingar
An English option is available by clicking on that word from either the left hand column or the blue link bar along the bottom of the homepage.
The scanned images are available from the homepage link "Skanna kyrkjebøker" [Norwegian version]/"Digitised parish records" [English version] which is listed along the left hand column and from the blue banner of links along the top section of the homepage.
After you've clicked on that link and a new main page has presented on the screen be sure and read the instructions that are available from the Digitalarkivet for navigating the scanned records. The instructions are available in Bokmål (official Norwegian), Nyorsk (Norwegian), Davvisámegiella (Saami), and English.
Recommended basic reading are the "Startsiden" [Norwegian version]/"Main page" [English version], "Brukerveiledning" [Norwegian version]/"User's guide" [English version] and "Om tjenesten" [Norwegian version]/"About this service" [English version].
Good information about translating the formats of Norwegian parish church records during various time periods, many of the basic terms used and understanding how to use the information should be studied at this web site -
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~norway/na20.html
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/04/2008 : 06:20:37
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In the same volume of parish records as the one where Jørans baptism was recorded you will find the notation that the family moved out of Flesberg to go to "Amerika" = US. See #15 - 19 (Columns on the far right.)
You will also see the dates for baptism and the farm where each one was born, it is as follows:
Christopher Hellicksen, Førlie bapt. May 4 1794
Gunbiør Hellicksdatter, Solheim bapt. May 30 1802
Hellik Christophersen, Førlie (born March 1) bapt. April 22 1821
Christopher Christophersen, Førlie (born May 15) bapt. June 3 1832
Jøran Christophersdatter, Førlie (born Jan 8) bapt Febr 29 (March 1) 1837 |
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Edited by - eibache on 23/04/2008 07:08:38 |
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eibache
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Posted - 23/04/2008 : 06:29:17
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Christophers baptismal record is the third from the bottom on the right hand page here
His father was Hellik Christophersen and he must have been the first son since he was named Christopher after his grandfather - the marriage record for Hellik Christophersen, Førlie and Kristie Jonsdatter Bruehoug is the 4th in 1793 the date was May 9.
Gundbjørs record is the third from the top on the right hand page here
her father was Hellik Solem - in the 1801 census at Solum Syndre is Hellich Evensen and his wife Sønnøv Olsdatter.
Hellik Christophersens record is #28
Christopher Christophersens record is #19
Sønnøv Christophersdatter was born in 1829, bapt. Febr 1, see #9
she died July 25, see #14
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Edited by - eibache on 23/04/2008 09:46:22 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 23/04/2008 : 07:58:38
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Gunbjørs father Hellich was born 1756 and bapt. March 7, see thecond from bottom in left column on the right hand page here
Gunbjørs grandfather then was Even Hansen from Rustand.
Hellik Evensen Solem and Sønnøv Olsdatter Wangestad married Dec 27 1790, see last entry on left hand page here
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Edited by - eibache on 29/04/2008 07:40:20 |
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MAJA520S
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114 Posts |
Posted - 24/04/2008 : 05:11:57
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Thank-you to all that have replied to my Post. It's wonderful people like you who make all of this possible. I will be looking over all the links. I am trying to figure out how to print the image that is on the right hand side. So far when I go to print preview it's only the left side of the image or book that wants to print.
I'm sure this will open up a few more questions. .
1 I have right away is for eibache. You were kind enough to give me the names and Baptism and birth dates. You stated that it tells what farm they were born at. Can you make it out? I couldn't seem to read it.
Thanks again to all!!
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 24/04/2008 : 06:25:16
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Example
Christopher Hellicksen, Førlie bapt. May 4 1794
Given name Last name, Farm bapt month date year
here the farm given is where born, in other situations the farm could be where the person lived or sometime where the person came from. |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 24/04/2008 : 10:32:37
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Søndre Førli
Sønnev Olsdatter Solom/Vangestad was born on Ørstein and Bap. Dominica.3.p.Trinit. 1771 (Sunday June 16) in Lyngdal church and sub parish.
Right column tell that her mother was introdused in the church Dom. 6. Trin. (Sunday July 7). Right page 3. from bottom.
Ole Ørsteens dotter Senev
Hellik Evensen was born on Søndre Høymyr (the farm in front) and Bap. Jan. 1. 1757 in Flesberg stave church
D. 1th i Flesb: Døbt Even Høymyrs Søn. navne: Hellich 1. column 2. from top
Hellichs parents Even Høymyr and Gunbjør Andresdatter engaged on April 8. 1748, they married June 26.1. column 2. from bottom
Evens father was Gullich Høymyr, he was buried Jan. 31. 1748, 1. column 7. from top
Gullich Høymyr married on July 13. 1704 to Ambiør Kristensdatter.
Julii 13 co****rede (c-o-p-u-l-e-r-e-d-e) Gullich Eividsen Høymyr og Ambiør Kristens:Datter. 2. column, 4. couple from top
The engagement record from Feb. 13. tell she was from Wæraas
Gullich Eivindsens parents were Eivind Gullichsen Høymyr and Torgun Andresdatter.
Eivind Høymyr died 1728, he was buried Oct. 18. 1728 age 78. 1 column #18
Torgun Høymyr died the following year and was buried April 27. 1729 age 76. See next page #14
Eivind Gullichsens father was Gullich Høymyr. His funeral was Dominica 27. Desembres 1691, 2. column 2. from top.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 28/04/2008 00:38:08 |
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MAJA520S
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Posted - 24/04/2008 : 16:46:15
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Thank-you very much for all the info. I have printed in all out and will add it to the family file! Thanks again
Jodie |
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eibache
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Posted - 24/04/2008 : 21:06:56
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A couple of small comments (I have some of these people in my tree)
Eivind Gullichsen Høymyr was buried Oct. 18. 1728.
Eivind Gullichsens father was Gullich Eivindsen Høymyr, he came from Flågan in Sigdal and was married to Kari Juelsdatter. Gullich Høymyr "døde om aftenen Dominica 27 Decembris, his funeral was Jan 3 1692 (see a litle further down the page)
Gullich Eivindsen, who came to Høymyr from Flågan was a local sheriff - his father was Eivind Olufsen (b 1555) Gjellerud, Flesberg and married to Gunil Gulliksdatter.
Eivind Olufsens parents were Oluf Eivindsen Flågan (b appr. 1535), and Gunbjør Gislesdatter. Oluf Eivindsens parents were Eivind Ketilsen Flågan (b 1509) and Astri Olavsdatter. |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 24/04/2008 : 23:01:05
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You do Einar, its a small world.
Not many is listed twice as Gullich Høymyr concerning his death record, so he died Dec. 27. and was buried Jan 3. 1692. Its written he had been "Bygde Lensmand "Sheriff in 40 years, 7 children, two sons and five daughters, age 84 and three weeks.
These families seems to have been rather well-to-do
Sønnevs father Ole Ørstein was actually Ole Tostensen Ørstein.
He lived on Ørstein in 1801 as a widower, age 75, grandfather to both of the Siulsdrs "Mandens stif døtre"steph daughters to Rejer Hansen. Ole Tostensens son Siur was their father, he died 1794 and the widow Karie married Reier Hansen.
Ole Tostensens wife Jøron Siulsdatter died on Nordre Vangestad 1789, age 57 and three weeks, the funeral was on June 14, right page 6. from bottom, she was born on Søndre Ramberg 1733 and Bap. July 5.
Jøron, Siul Olsen Rambergs Datter Døbt 5. July
#21
Ole Tostensen was born on Livland 1726 and Bap. March 3.
Tosten Livlands Søn Kaldet Ole, right page #5, he died on Ødeberg Vestre in 1804. age 78, and was buried Nov 14. left page.
Ødeberg Vestre was owned by his son and Sønnev Olsdrs brother Tosten Olsen, married and two daughters, one servant and a renter in 1801
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Kåarto
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Posted - 25/04/2008 : 08:42:23
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Even Gullichsen Høymyr age 81 and Gundbiør Andresdatter age 71 on Søndre Høymyr in 1801.
Their oldset son Gullick married to Rønnou, 7 children and one servant. Gundbiør was born on Søndre Koppangen
Hellichs brother Andres on Nordre Høymyr in 1801, married to Guri, 5 children, two servants and his brother Christen age 30, Trader and Butcher.
Hellich and Sønnev were, as mentined abowe, on Søndre Solom in 1801, four daughters, three servants and a lease holder, Tosten and his family
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Edited by - Kåarto on 26/04/2008 11:26:10 |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 25/04/2008 : 12:25:52
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Strange coincidence Einar.
This seems to be from the same family tree as for Anne Olsdatter Lindelien.
I find this on Gullik Eivindsen Høymyr and Flågan about 2 Inches from bottom.
I´ll take a trip to the library to find some more info. from Flesberg
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Edited by - Kåarto on 25/04/2008 12:27:07 |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 26/04/2008 : 11:10:51
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Some more information:
Start with a map of Buskerud.
You will find Flesberg south-west in the map north of Kongsberg town in a valley called Numedal. The river seen on several of the photos is Numedalslaagen. Also Rollag and Sigdal are in this map.
Kari Juelsdatter in Einars last reply married to Lensmann/Sheriff Gullich Eivindsen Høymyr/Flågan, she was from Helle in Rollag, her parents were Juel Helgesen d.about 1691 and Anne Olsdatter Blekaberg from Sigdal .
Also Oluf Eivindsen Flågen b.a.1535 married to Gunbiør owned or inherit Høymyr and he seems to have lived on the farm since he was Sheriff in Rollag when the Bishop visited the municipality in 1595. He also accompanied the Bishop from Rollag to Svene parish further south in Numedal.
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MAJA520S
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Posted - 26/04/2008 : 23:56:33
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I first want to thank all of you again for your help. I am trying to enter the info into my family file and with the language barrier I am struggling to know what the Parish records are saying.
I will start with the very 1st post from Hopkins.
In the parish records for Flesberg Jøran Christoffersdatter appears as the daughter of Christoffer Hellicksen Førlie and his wife "Gunbjor"? Hellicksdatter. The last entry on the page linked here - Birth/Baptismal record for 1837
#17 can someone tell me what it says in the 1st column on the 2nd page? And can you tell me what the Birth and Baptism date is? Her obit here in the US for her death appears to be a few days off.
Also from eibache,
In the same volume of parish records as the one where Jørans baptism was recorded you will find the notation that the family moved out of Flesberg to go to "Amerika" = US. See #15 - 19 (Columns on the far right.)
Am I reading the 9 under the 18 to be September 18 1842? I find them on the passenger list of the Emilie departing June 21 1842.
Thanks in advance, Jodie
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