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Hopkins
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 Posted - 27/04/2008 : 00:29:33
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In that baptismal record the 1st column of the 2nd page is the list of witnesses/sponsors. The handwriting is "difficult" but luckily the list of witnesses is less than vital to your research. So guessing Anund or Amund Kj<something>, Anders Forlie, Joran Hellicksdtr Forli..., Tonnes? Forlie?, og ???? Poulsdtr or Paulsdatter.
The birth is listed as 8 Jan 1837 but two dates are listed in the column for baptism... perhaps the child was baptised at home before a church ceremony? ?? Also lucky that a baptismal date won't be overwhelmingly vital to your research.
You think that looks like a 9 under the 18 on the 'leaving the parish' entry? Looks like a 5 to me. |
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MAJA520S
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Posted - 27/04/2008 : 01:22:38
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Thanks for the reply!
I am sure that I have the right family and the right Jøran Førlie aka Julia Farley. I find it odd that she or her family didn't know how old she was. Her tombstone reads born Dec 27 1836 and died Oct 18 1918. That's only 12 days apart.
If that is a 5 and not a 9 then it would fit with being on the ship in June.
I also think Christopher Førlie husband of Combjor aka: Gunbjørg Helliksdatter Solheim didn't know how old he was either. His Tombstone reads born 1792 and died 1843
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eibache
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Posted - 27/04/2008 : 07:14:33
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I take the liberty to give some comments:
Jøran Christoffersdatter was born Jan 8 1837 (clearly both on th record for baptism and the record for moving out of Flesberg) when it comes to the date for the baptism I think we can say that she was not baptized at home - the dates given are Febr 29! (1837 should not have been a leap year) and March 1 - probably best to say she was batized March 1.
The witnesses were: Anund Kjennerud, Anders Førlie,Jøran Helleksdatter Fækjan, Sønnev Førlie og (and) Marith Poulsdatter do (ditto= Førlie)
The column to the far right for leaving Flesberg gives the place the persons was going to. For Christoffer Helliksen and his family it says "Ligesaa" = the same as above = Nordamerica, the other notation is "Att." short for Attestation - and the date for this was as for the ones both before and after the posting for Christoffer Helliksen and his family May 18 1842. |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 27/04/2008 : 21:38:45
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Have you ever heard of the names Gulliksen or Daaseth in your family Jodie?
Gunbjørg Helliksdatter born 1802 (1842 emigrant), her elder sister Ambjør born 1792, age 9 on Søndre Solem in 1801.
Ambjør Helliksdatter married Gullek Eivindsen Daaseth on Sept. 23 1810.
Two of Ambjør´s youngest sons, (Hellik, Kristoffer and Jårand Kristoffersen´s cousins) Gullik Helliksen born April 28. 1824 (Gullik was bap. Hellik, confirmed Gullik and he emigrated as Gullik) and Ole Gulliksen born Oct. 2. 1826 emigrated to Nordamerica on April 20. 1846, right page # 23-24
The author of Flesberg Bydebok is reffering from a letter send from Kristoffer Helliksen in 1851:
They had settled down in Leeland, Indian Creek, and next to them lived their relatives from Daaseth.
Kristoffer Helliksen, his father, was dead, but his mother Gunbjør was well and sister Jårand lived at her place.
Daaset is one of the oldest farms in Numedal, several of the houses is from about 1600-1700. The farm was established in the Viking age.
Dåset country cortyard is protected by the law and is today a museum
Daaset is named after the plant Daa-Då Kvassdå for interested in botany
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MAJA520S
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Posted - 28/04/2008 : 18:56:24
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No, But I started looking in the Census here in the US and found a surname of Dosit and Dorset in the 1870 and 1880 Census in Adams Twp. LaSalle Co., IL that might be them. I will keep looking. Thanks for the info. So were the Cousins (Hellik, Kristoffer and Jårand Kristoffersen´s) from Daaseth? But they were born in Buskerud, Flesberg?
in the 1801 census, What does Hushaldstill. mean?
and Gift 1 gang ? Does it mean Married once with family?
What is? Lever af sin gaard
and Hiemme hos forældrene ?
I saw the word tiller before. I assume it means farmer?
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Kåarto
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Posted - 28/04/2008 : 20:22:57
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Hushald means Houshold
Still can be short for stilling/occupation
Gift 1. gang- married 1. time
Lever af sin gard - get all the income from the farm
Hiemme hos forældrene - to live at home by the parents
Cant explain what tiller means at the moment, I have seen it sometimes. The Norwegian languide has changed a lot in 200 years
Yes, the Daaseth boys was born in Flesberg. Dosit sounds not bad to me.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 28/04/2008 : 23:22:51
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Christopher Helliksen Førli baught Førli whe he was under age in 1807 for 1340 Riksdaler, his father Hellik helped him with the contract and the agreement and run Førli for him until he was of age.
For a short periode Christopher owned both of the Førli farms.
A letter written 1882 by Kristoffer Kristoffersen in La Salle, Illinois where he told he had been home in Flesberg a few years ago. The trip cost 130 Dollar, and he had sold 23 pigs to get money for the ticket.
Both his brother Hellik and his wife died of cholera the summer 1854, the youngest child was only one year old.
Kristoffers healt wasnt good, but the trip made him well, actually he was sorry he didnt stay at least a year in Norway.
He writes about the:
High mountains, green forests, running streams, sough from the river and "de Vakre fisske vande" the beautiful fishing lakes.
The 7 Helliksendrs. from Søndre Solom in 1865. The mother Sønnev Olsdr Ørstein died Nov. 20. 1818 and the father Hellik Evendsen Solom died August 10. 1828:
1) Ambjør Heliksdr b. 1792 (died 1857) married to Føderaadsmand and widower Gullek Eivindsen Daaseth. Their son Torstein, married and 3 children on Daaseth. Two sons, Gullik and Ole emigretaed in 1846, see reply abowe.
2) Widow Jøran Helliksdr b. 1794 (died 1875) married to Levord Hellliksen, their daughter Ingeborg maried to Levord Knutsen on Solom
3) Maret Helliksdater b. 1796 (died 1867) married to Sjul Kittilsen Linaas as Føderaadskone, her daughter Sønnev married to Levord and 4 children on Dokken Her husband Sjul lives on Linaas
4) Sønnev Helliksdr b. 1798 married to Ole Gulliksen Mellom (Central ) Førli.
Sønnev died 1848, Ole G. not found.
5) Gunbjør Helliksdr b. 1802 married to Christopher Hellksen Søndre Førli mentione on top, they em. 1842
6) Anne Helliksdr b. 1801 (died 1891) married to Gulbrand Olsen Nordre Førli, widow and Føderaadskone, Her daughter Maret married to Torsten, one daughter on Teigen
7) Ingebjørg Helliksdatter 1808-1820
Do you want some 1900 information?
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MAJA520S
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Posted - 29/04/2008 : 03:24:23
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I need help in my confusion of getting all this info right.
eibache wrote 23/04/2008 : 07:58:38
Gunbjørs father Hellich was born 1756 and bapt. March 7, see thecond from bottom in left column on the right hand page here
Gunbjørs grandfather then was Even Hansen from Rustand.
Hellik Evensen Solem and Sønnøv Olsdatter Wangestad married Dec 27 1790, see last entry on left hand page here
Kåarto wrote 24/04/2008 : 10:32:37
Søndre Førli
Hellik Evensen was born on Søndre Høymyr (the farm in front) and Bap. Jan. 1. 1757 in Flesberg stave church
D. 1th i Flesb: Døbt Even Høymyrs Søn. navne: Hellich 1. column 2. from top
Hellichs parents Even Høymyr and Gunbjør Andresdatter engaged on April 8. 1748, they married June 26.1. column 2. from top
Are these 2 Hellich's the same person?
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MAJA520S
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Posted - 29/04/2008 : 05:54:27
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Thank you so much! Getting stories and personal history on them is very nice!
Yes I would love the 1900 info
Tomarrow I will write and ask about some confusion I have on a couple of the post above.
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eibache
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Posted - 29/04/2008 : 07:43:47
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I am sorry, my Hellich born 1756 is wrong, I have deleted "Gunbjørs father Hellich was born 1756 and bapt. March 7, see thecond from bottom in left column on the right hand page here
Gunbjørs grandfather then was Even Hansen from Rustand."
"Hellik Evensen Solem and Sønnøv Olsdatter Wangestad married Dec 27 1790, see last entry on left hand page here" - this is right. |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 29/04/2008 : 10:03:14
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No wonder one can be confused, all the Gullik and Hellik names in these families, it´s easy to get lost.
Your question concerning Hellik Evensen born on Søndre (Southern) Høymyr) 1757.
D:1th i Flesb: Døbt Even Høymyrs Søn navne Hellich
Jan. 1. in Flesberg church, Bap. Even Høymyrs son named Hellich.
From the first column:
Introduc. d. 2. febr. means that the mother (Gunbjør Andresdatter) was introdused in a ceremony in the church Feb. 2.
Churcing a woman is called introduced, an old custom. Woman who had gave birth to a child had to stay away from the church a ceratin time, normally 6 weeks. After childbirth a woman was considered unclean until she at the first time in church had been "churched" or introdused to the church again. The priest met her at the churchdoor and attended her into the church for a ceremony before she was allowed to step into the house of God. This cuctum was off. abolished in the mid. 1700 but some places kept up the tradition.
This Hellik born 1757 was the son of Even (Gulliksen) Høymyr and Gunbjør Andresdatter who married 1748.
Hellich´s Godparents were: Berith Solem, Kiersti Høymyr, Sønnef Øyberg, Herbrand Gjellerud, Torkel Berget.
Do come back for more questions from the post above.
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MAJA520S
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Posted - 29/04/2008 : 15:18:43
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Kåre
Posted - 24/04/2008 : 23:01:05
Tosten Livlands Søn Kaldet Ole, right page #5, he died on Ødeberg Vestre in 1804. age 78, and was buried Nov 14. left page.
Ødeberg Vestre was owned by his son and Sønnev Olsdrs brother Tosten Olsen, married and two daughters, one servant and a renter in 1801
I'm confused... Can you explain who is who here? Thanks
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MAJA520S
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Posted - 29/04/2008 : 15:22:44
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Also I am confused on this one. Was she married 2 times?
1) Ambjør Heliksdr b. 1792 (died 1857) married to Føderaadsmand and widower Gullek Eivindsen Daaseth. Their son Torstein, married and 3 children on Daaseth. Two sons, Gullik and Ole emigretaed in 1846, see reply abowe. |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 29/04/2008 : 18:06:28
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The school can be happy I didn´t became a teacher.
Flesberg March 3. 1776
.....Tosten Livlands Søn Kaldet Ole... #5
.....Tosten Livlands Son Named Ole....
Ødeberg Vestre 1801:
Tosten Olsen age 40 was son of Ole (Tosten Livlands søn named Ole abowe), owner of Ødeberg, married to Ambjør Gulliksdatter (Høymyr) age 30, two daughters, Jørran age 3 and Anne age 1.
Gunnild Helgesdatter age 18 is a female servant, maid, and Gonnor Gregarsdatter age 33 live at the farm as a laborer.
Ambjør Helliksdatter (Solom) born 1792 married Gullik Eivindsen Daaset Sept. 23. 1810. Ambjør died 1857.
1865 census for Daaset show Gullik Evensen age 80 as a widower and "Føderaadsmand" former owner of Daaset and as "Hans fader" his father which means his son Torsten Gulliksen age 32 married to Beret Juulsdatter age 31. They have three children, Gullik, Ambjør and Anne.
Even, Maret and Gunnild is employeed as servants, Maret Gulliksdatter "Lægdslem" age 46 is a welfare recipient.
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MAJA520S
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Posted - 29/04/2008 : 23:31:05
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No, I don't think the teacher is the problem. This student is failing!!!!
Ole Tostensen was born on Livland 1726 and Bap. March 3. (I have that) I have him as Ole Tostensen Ørstein
Tosten Livlands ( I have him as Ole Tostensen Ørstein ) ,Ole Tostensen Ørstein died on Ødeberg Vestre in 1804. age 78, and was buried Nov 14. left page.
Is this Ole Tostensen Ørstein's father Kaldet Ole? Søn Kaldet Ole, right page #5
I feel that I am wrong here because the naming practice would make Tosten, Ole's father. So what is Søn Kaldet Ole?
Ødeberg Vestre was owned by his 2 children Sønnev Olsdrs and her brother Tosten Olsen, and her brother is married and has two daughters, one servant and a renter in 1801.
Do I have this right?
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researching Christopher Hellicksen Førlie
