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mkptrsn
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 Posted - 05/12/2008 : 21:12:19
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Dear Norway Heritage members,
I am hoping for some guidance. My relative, Johannes Pedersen Malterud (John Peterson Rudd in America) came to Madison, Wisconsin in 1868 along with 5 other professors to start a school or university, or univ. dept. in or near Beloit/Madison. Apparently he taught in Bergen first, and these educators were sent to Madison. I searched some Bergen records online at Digitalarkivet but came up empty. The family may have left Norway in late 1867 or early 1868. I can't find them on the 1870 US census, but it was during that same year when John Rudd and his wife, Carrie and daughter Mary moved to Becker County, MN.
John's birthday was Apr 16, 1839, born at Malterud Farm in Toten (Oppland County). His father was Peter Johannessen Malterud also of Toten, and born on Helset Farm).
Might anyone be able to point me in the right direction regarding researching passenger lists or information about professors being sent to America to help found schools?
Family lore has it that John, Carrie (who was pregnant) and 5 other professors traveled in a large sailboat (not a steamship) and Carrie gave birth to her first child just a month after arriving in Madison. Carrie's last name has been stated as Gilbertson and Johnson!
Thank you for any help whatsoever in locating emigration/immigration information or information about Norwegian educators coming to America.
Thanks again!
Mike Peterson
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 06/12/2008 : 07:49:46
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John Peterson Rudd was baptized Johannes August, see #31
he was still at Vestre Toten in 1865
Well, you did know this from your earlier topic
You have to come up with more info on Carrie, what kind of University, School, names of the other professors, etc. in order to find when and how they travelled.
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Edited by - eibache on 06/12/2008 11:34:10 |
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mkptrsn
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Posted - 06/12/2008 : 17:46:40
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Hi eibache!
Finding Carrie has been almost impossible. The only information I have about her is that she was born Dec 28, 1838 in Norway, and according to her death certificate her father was G. Johansen. Her children have listed her maiden name invariably as Gilbertson and Johnson. I have been searching for years, and thought that this "lead" regarding Johannes Pedersen Malterud (Rudd) teaching in Bergen and then being sent to Madison, WI to help found a school would help out. None of the large Wisconsin schools were founded in 1868 - so, I need to find out what other schools were around there at that time! I was told that John was a mathematician at this time and that Carrie was pregnant the entire journey to America, giving birth to her first daughter Mary just a month after arriving - her birthday is March 29, 1868, so John, Carrie, and the other professors might have arrived in the US (or Canada) the end of February/early March 1868. I was hoping to be able to discover Carrie's routes through the "Bergen" lead.
Are there any protocols from Bergen listing out schools or the teachers? I couldn't find anything on the Digital Inn. I also searched for the emigration records on Digital Inn but came up short again! I then searched for Kar% G% anywhere in Bergen, but yet again, empty!
I figure my best lead will be through emigration records or the "school" information. Might you know how I could access more Norwegian Emigration information for 1867/68? I also heard that they traveled in a bark or some sort of sailing vessel rather than a steamship, and it took quite some time to arrive. So, I thought that if they arrived in North America in late Feb/early March, I think they must have left in Dec 1867 or Jan 1868...would you agree? Also, I would imagine they left from Bergen, but I am sure that, given the circumstances, they may have left from Christiania instead.
I am really at a dead end right now!
Thank you,
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Trond
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Posted - 06/12/2008 : 22:47:05
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| Traveling on a sailing vessel from Norway to North America in December/January/February is the worst time of the year to sail. The weather condition would be storms, ice and very cold! Only a few Norwegian vessels sailed late 1867/1868 and they usually sailed from Holland or England to New York. Quebec would have been closed due to Ice. There are consulate statements from New York in this timeline but I haven’t found any information of sailing vessels arriving from Norway with passengers. |
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mkptrsn
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Posted - 06/12/2008 : 23:09:37
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Hello,
Thank you for the information. I thought that the trip would have been horrible to make at that time as well! It was family lore that said John and Carrie arrived, and a month later had the daughter. I thought that it was possible they arrived in the summer of 1867, but a 93-year-old cousin said otherwise. I thought that I would be able to locate them given all the information, but I suppose that isn't the case.
Would there be emigrant information recorded in Norway for the years 1867/68? I would like to check both Bergen and Oslo to be on the safe side.
Thank you for checking into that, it is appreciated.
Mike |
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Trond
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Norway
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Posted - 06/12/2008 : 23:48:15
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| Most of the passenger list for 1867 can be found on this site. There are 2 passenger list from Bergen, the Roska and the Marie that’s not translated and can be found at Library and Archives Canada. There is another ship that would be of interest for you, that’s the Hiram that only carried 6 emigrants from Bergen. There is no passenger list for this ship. |
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Trond
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Norway
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Posted - 07/12/2008 : 10:46:52
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Frigate Hiram 1867
Were we learned about this journey is from a Freight report from Falkenberg & Mc.Blains (Fragt-Circulære fra Falkenberg & Mc.Blains) dated Sept. 18 1867, Quebec. Reported in Christiania newspaper Morgenbladet 2 October 1867.
…. One emigrant ship “Chapman”, Bjønnes from Christiania arrived 26 of August with 142 emigrants, “Hirane” (Hiram) from Bergen 8 September carried 6, together 148 emigrants, arrivels by Steamship from Liverpool 86 before earlier reported 12,247 …..
The date of arrival is from the same newspaper 1 October 1867 of arrival vessels in Quebec.
The crossing would have taken about one month so the ship should have left Bergen in the beginning of August 1867. Further information about the ship leaving Bergen could be found in the newspaper Bergensposten round this date. Bergensposten is filmed but not available on the Internet yet. Nasjonalbiblioteket digitale aviser
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 07/12/2008 : 20:51:28
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Mike,
to find Carrie G. Johnsen born 1838 in Norway will not be easy, but we have something to work with.
Carrie was likely Karen, Caren or Kari, the pronunciation of Carrie is almost the same as Kari and Gilbert/Gilbertsen sounds like Gulbrand/Gulbrandsen to me.
This is only a theory, but my proposal is;
Kari Gulbrandsdatter born to Gulbrand Johansen.
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mkptrsn
Medium member
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Posted - 07/12/2008 : 21:29:48
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Hello!
The newspaper articles were fascinating to me. I never thought of taking that route! Now I can search for ship passenger lists that correspond to those dates and information. Thank you very much. That is a GREAT lead and maybe I can do something with that information - although it will be tough!
I searched and searched for Carrie Gilbertson too. I tried census information, viewing parish registers by hand, but this is a mystery that has been going on for a couple generations now! I thought it was possible that she was born somewhere around Bergen since she and John lived there. I couldn't locate her in Toten where John was originally from. I in fact tried searching under Kar% G% and Gu% on Digitalarkivet , but have been unable to locate her that way. I may just read the parish registers one by one but that is a task that would take forever! I was searching for girls who were born December 28, 1838 and christened sometime within a few months of that time. I even tried Gulbrand Joh% in searching for her father, but was not able to locate anyone that I know would be a match.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 07/12/2008 : 22:18:57
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Hi Mike,
You might want to check church registers in America to find as much information on Carrie as possible. Do you have some idea when / where she died? The daughter Mary was born / baptized in Wisconsin, you may get lucky and get a more exact baptismal place from her confirmation record. How long was the family at Lake Park after 1880? Try the archivist at www.elca.org for what church registers microfilm is available for loan or research for the venues in Minnesota.
Also if John filed intention to become a citizen, that record might reveal a month and year of landing in US along with the port of entry, and sometimes even (though rare) ship name. For Minnesota try www.ironrangeresearchcenter.org for naturalization records.
Also in your searching at digitalarkiv try to broaden the search for Carrie by using the "contains" feature since Kari/ Carolina/ Karen, Caren may be a middle name not just her first name.
Good Luck
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mkptrsn
Medium member
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92 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2008 : 18:14:16
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Thank you for the great leads! I have checked Iron Range for citizenship papers. I was able to locate a John P. Rud of Becker County who rec'd his first papers in Becker County in 1870, but says he arrived in the US on or about June 4, 1867. I wonder if this could be him. I think elca.org will be a great resource, and I will get going on that one. I also saw another date for Carrie which said she was born December 28, 1839, so I will try and search registers for 1838-1840!
Thank you,
Mike |
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mkptrsn
Medium member
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92 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2008 : 19:46:49
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Hello,
I thought I would put in the information that I have here, in case anyone has other leads. The Evangelical Lutheran Church of America will surely get a couple letters from me! In regard to the information about the Rudd's early history in WI and MN:
1) John and Carrie definitely immigrated to the US in about 1867.
2) They traveled to the Madison, WI area. This is where Mary Rudd was born on March 29, 1868 around Madison.
3) The Rudd's moved to Becker County, Minnesota in the fall of 1870, and their second child Gilbert was born there December 28, 1870.
The bits of information that don't seem to jive is that the Citizenship Papers I have state that John P. Rud arrived about June 4, 1867, but a 93-yr-old cousin said that John and Carrie arrived about 1 month before Mary was born. That would be around Feb 1868! So, I have 2 dates of arrival to work with - 6/4/1867 and 2/1867. Of course there is a chance that the date on the citizenship papers are wrong, it's the wrong John P. Rud of Becker County (although I have searched and found no others who lived there by that name), or my cousin has confused something or another in the story. I agree with Trond who posted above that ship arrivals in the US or Candada around Feb 1867 might have been far and few between (if at all) due to the winter months - it would have been very tough and that most likely those large sailing vessels would not have navigated those dangerous waters at that time due to ice flows, inclement weather and so forth. Who knows! I thought that possibly my cousin mis-heard the story...maybe Carrie was 1-month pregnant when she began her travels rather than giving birth one month after arriving. Again, I am just thinking out loud.
In regard to the school that John Rudd helped to found in the Madison area, I do not know if it was an institution of higher learning, private secondary school, Norwegian School, non-secular institute, etc. John was a mathematician apparently, and as I mentioned was in a school in Bergen prior to coming here.
I am unable to locate John and Carrie on the 1870 census. This census was taken June 1, 1870 - August 23, 1870, so the couple should have been in Wisconsin, but possibly en route to Minnesota or possibly with family somewhere. Who knows, but I have located them on the 1875, 1880, and 1885 censuses in Becker County and in Beltrami County on all subsequent censuses. John's occupation is always listed as 'farmer' when asked. He was in fact the census enumerator on the 1885 census and spelled his name John P. Rudd.
I also have to reconcile Carrie's birthday - either Dec 28 of 1838 or 1839! I have my hands full!
Thank you,
Mike |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 11/12/2008 : 16:59:27
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Hi Mike,
Sorry for this segue but the farm name Malterud caught my eye...
Were Peter Johanneson's parents Johannes Jenson 1782-1860 and Anne Marie Hansdatter 1796-?
One other place you might try would be the Norwegian American Genealogical Center & Naeseth Library. They are located right in Madison, Wisconsin, have lots of resources and will do research for hire for member and non-members alike:
www.nagcnl.org
Hilsen,
Jackie |
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mkptrsn
Medium member
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Posted - 11/12/2008 : 17:36:01
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Dear Jackie,
Thank you for the nagcnl.org link, I will give it a shot too. My family originally were on Helset Farm, but moved to lillmalterud Farm about early 1830s, then emigrated in 1860s-1870s. Peter Johannesen's father was Johannes Pedersen Helset, 1767-1846.
Thank you,
Mike |
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mkptrsn
Medium member
USA
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Posted - 09/01/2009 : 06:15:02
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Hello,
Thank you for the tips!. I ordered Land Patent records from NARA and also a few microfilms from ELCA. The Land Patent records contained Carrie's (aka Karen Gilbertson) citizenship papers. She stated that she entered the US at the Port of Chicago in May 1866. She would have been between 24-26 because her birthday is Dec 28 1839-1841. The Lutheran Church Records stated her name as "Karen" in each entry. I wish one of these records stated her home in Norway. Might there be Passport application records for her? Her father was G. Johansen and it seems that she sometimes stated Johansen/Johnson as her maiden name.
Carrie's husband, Johannes Augustus Pedersen Rudd (Malterud) has citizenship records that say he entered the US in June 1867 (not sure which port), so I guess they traveled separately. I had heard that they married in Norway, but that may not be the case. They lived in Madison, WI until 1870 when they moved to Becker Co, MN.
Any more tips on how I can find out where Carrie is from would be great! |
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mkptrsn
Medium member
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Posted - 19/05/2010 : 16:13:52
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Hello -
A cousin mentioned that my g-g-grandfather and his 3 brothers served in the military. Are military records for the 1850s-1860s available for the Oppland area? At what age did the men usually join and for how long? Any articles or websites about this would be great!
Overall I would like to discover if records exist for Johannes August Pedersen Malterud (b. 1839 in Vestre Toten) and his siblings.
Thank you,
Mike |
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