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jeff anderson
Starting member
USA
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 Posted - 08/02/2009 : 21:13:46
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| Looking for information on Saamund Nelson/Nielson, Johanna Christine Thompson and Ragnild Kirstine Henricksdatter. Possibly immigrated in 1861-62 from Bergen area. Saamund was a carpenter,possibly boarded as ships carpenter?? |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 08/02/2009 : 23:13:08
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You dont have any farm names, anything, even it make no sence to you.
When about was they born?
Where they related?
Saamund Nielsen and Ragnild Kristine Henrickdatter is Norwegian names, as well as Johanna Christine, but Thompson must have been changed from another last name in USA, did she marry a Thompson?
Was it changed from Thomassen? (various spellings)
Kċre |
Edited by - Kċarto on 08/02/2009 23:18:09 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 08/02/2009 : 23:40:43
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I have some farmnames... 
Johanne Tomasdatter
Birth: 09 Dec 1844, chr 25 Dec 1844, Holla, Telemark
Parents: Tomas Rasmussen & Anne Johannesdr
Saamund Nilsen
Birth: 19 Sep 1834, chr 28 Sep 1834, Holla, Telemark
Parents: Nils Saamundsen & Mari Olsdr
Ragnild Kirstine Henriksdatter
Birth: 09 Sep 1840, chr 14 Sep 1840, Holla, Telemark
Parents: Henrik Sorensen & Ingeborg Gjertsdr
Somund Nilsen (25) & Ragnild Kirstine Henriksdr (19)
Marriage: 03 DEC 1859, Holla, Telemark
Emigration around 06 Mar 1862
Sċmund Nilsen Wĉrket (27) & Ragnild Kirstine Henriksdatter (21)
daughter Maria, 18.07.1860
#5, 6 & 7, right page here, registered as leaving Holla Parish
Ragnild Kirstine's parents emigrated in April 1867
Johanne's parents (Thomas Rasmussen, Wĉrket (Kronborg) and Anne Johannesdatter, Wĉrket) did also have a daughter named Karen Thomasdatter. Karen married Gjert Henriksen, a brother to Ragnhild Kirstine.
"Wĉrket" is Ulefoss Jernverk (Ulefoss iron mill), who was a major factory in the area, and produced items such as this oven:
Jan Peter |
Edited by - jwiborg on 09/02/2009 00:25:09 |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 09/02/2009 : 00:34:44
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I think you are right Jan Peter, Saamund born 1834 was born on Verket.
Holla parish is in the Nome - Ulefoss area in Telemark County in eastern Norway, Bergen is the capitol of western Norway.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 09/02/2009 : 02:13:26
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Looks like the author knew a little bit more than what first was reported... link
Btw; I see that you question their daughter Maria (2 1/2 yrs old).
Maria, born July 18th, 1860 is indeed a daughter of Saamund Nilsen & Ragnild Kirstine Henriksdatter. She is christened Maren, see # 72
Sam Nelson in census-1880 for Sand Creek, Dunn, Wisconsin
A "Maria Taycen" (married name) lives in the household next to Sam. She is born in Norway about 1861...
Jan Peter |
Edited by - jwiborg on 09/02/2009 02:40:02 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 09/02/2009 : 06:50:20
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Saamunds parents Niels Saamundsen and Maren Olsdatter married June 27 1829, see #12
Niels Saamundsen was born July 19 and bapt Aug 19 1806, see 3rd from top in far right column here
his parents were Saamund Giermundsen and Anne Nielsdatter.
Saamund Giermundsen from Lunde and Anne Nielsdatter were married April 24 1800, see #6
Anna Nielsdatter was bapt Dec 25 1774, see #7
her parents were Niels Christophersen and Anna Jonsdatter.
Niels Christophersen and Anna Jonsdatter were married Aug 12 1774, see 2nd couple on left hand page here
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Einar |
Edited by - eibache on 09/02/2009 07:49:58 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 09/02/2009 : 18:26:47
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Need to know more about Johanne Christine Thomson, - Bergen is mentioned, if she was born there one possibility may be #75
she was an "uĉgte" child, not uncommon that they emigrated but record to confirm this has not been found.
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Einar |
Edited by - eibache on 09/02/2009 18:30:08 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 09/02/2009 : 20:09:20
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I find it very strange if she is not the daughter of Tomas Rasmussen & Anne Johannesdr. This Johanne Tomasdatter is born 09 Dec 1844, which is the date he is looking for, according to the rootsweb forum...
And there are already family ties between this Johanne & Saamund, since her sister Karen married Saamund's brother-in-law.
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 09/02/2009 : 23:06:01
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| So she was not Johanna Christine then? |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 09/02/2009 : 23:54:56
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If you ask me, I would say no.
But the question should probably go to the author of this topic... 
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Eugene Nelson
New on board
USA
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Posted - 01/03/2009 : 00:08:36
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| I am 74 and a great-grandson of Saamund Nielsen/Nelson. I have just begun to work genealogy related to him. I visited his grave and that of his second wife Johanne (and son Martin) in Sand Creek, WI, where I lived as a child. In looking over what preceded me in this topic I don' seem to have as much information as is already included. What additional information could I possibly provide? |
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jeff anderson
Starting member
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Posted - 01/03/2009 : 05:25:56
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Thank you all for your time and information. I am not sure where to start.
I know I was quite vague the 1st post but did not know what info I had was necessary??
What we have in the tree, from old notes, relatives, etc.:
Saamund Nelson DOB 1833 POB Bergen, Telemarken, Nor
Johanna Christine Thompson DOB 9Dec1844 POB Telemarken, Nor
I assume that without any farm names, they were both city people??
I did find the entry about Wĉrket .
I believe that Johanna Thompson immigrated to the Chicago area with her parents thus the Americanized Thompson name. She was single.
Saamund went to Chicago to see if she would return to WI with him to look after the children after his first wife died. Previously knew the family in Norway??
Reference to Ragnild Henriksdatter and dau Maria. There has not been a name for his first wife and there is a son, Louis DOB 1850, Nor in the family. Perhaps immigrated later?? Did Maria die in passage. There is no info on her after the immigration. Possible also that Maria may have already married (jwiborg post) prior to the 1880 census??
Saamund did settle in the Sand Creek, WI area and is buried there with wife Johanna Christine (spelling on her stone). Do not have any burial information on Ragnild.
Again, THANK YOU for all your help. Now we just need to sort everything out.
Kċarto and jwiborg, if you are interested I do have some farm names on the Olson side I could use some help on. Interested??? Jeff |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 01/03/2009 : 09:14:52
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quote:
Johanna Christine Thompson DOB 9Dec1844 POB Telemarken, Nor
- she was baptized Johanne, see #8
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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jeff anderson
Starting member
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Posted - 01/03/2009 : 17:21:07
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Thank you again for all your work and information. It is very much appreciated.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 01/03/2009 : 23:30:39
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Originally posted by jeff anderson
I assume that without any farm names, they were both city people??
No, this is far out on the countryside. Closest city was many hours away. The farm they stayed at was called Wĉrket.
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Originally posted by jeff anderson
Reference to Ragnild Henriksdatter and dau Maria. There has not been a name for his first wife and there is a son, Louis DOB 1850, Nor in the family. Perhaps immigrated later?? Did Maria die in passage. There is no info on her after the immigration. Possible also that Maria may have already married (jwiborg post) prior to the 1880 census??
Not easy to understand what you're trying to say here...
There has not been a name for his first wife?? What do you mean? Wasn't Saamunds first wife Ragnild Kirstine Henriksdr?
Saamund & Ragnild Kirstine emigrated with their daughter Maria (1y 9m) on 04 MAR 1862.
According to the 1880-census, their son Louis is born ca 1863 in Wisconsin.
Maria could be the girl who lives next door to Sam & Johanne Nelson, married to a man named "Charley Taycen".
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Edited by - jwiborg on 01/03/2009 23:32:13 |
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