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jwiborg
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 Posted - 01/03/2009 : 23:46:09
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Census-1900 for Sand Creek, Dunn, Wisconsin:
Charlie Noer (52), imm. 1866
Mrs Mary Noer (40), imm. 1866
Children:
Laura Noer (14)
Sofus Noer (12)
Fritzof Noer (10)
Arnold Noer (1)
Ada C Noer (1)
Looks very much like the next-door couple in census-1880...
This Mary Noer could very well be the daughter of Saamund Nilsen & Ragnild Kirstine Henriksdatter.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 01/03/2009 : 23:56:09
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This is probably your Louis Nor, born ab 1850... 
Need to find out how the TAYCEN name ended up as "Nor"...
Louis could be a brother to Charley Taycen (aka Charlie Noer census-1900?). Both Louis and Charley are listed as born in WI.
Wonder if their parents are Svend (58) & Katherine (53) Taycen, Sand Creek, Dunn, Wisconsin, Census-1880? 
Svend & Katherine must have emigrated around 1850 with their son Torger born ab 1849.
Jan Peter
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 02/03/2009 : 00:38:47
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Census-1860 for Winchester, Winnebago, Wisconsin:
Swen Tysen (38), born in Norway
Catharine Tysen (32), born in Norway
Toyer Tysen (11), born in Norway
Louis Tysen (9), born in Wisconsin
Julia Tysen (7), born in Wisconsin
Charles Tysen (5), born in Wisconsin
Laura Tysen (3), born in Wisconsin
John Tysen (1), born in Wisconsin
Census-1850 for Jaycheedah, Fond du Lac, Wisconsin:
Leiven Tyson (28) = Sven
Catharine Tyson (24)
Jarrier Tyson (1 1/4) = "Toyer"
Guniel Tyson (64)
All born in Norway. Guniel Tyson (64) is probably the mother to either Sven or Catharine.
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Edited by - jwiborg on 02/03/2009 01:16:40 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 02/03/2009 : 01:28:20
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Svend & Katherine Taycen are from Ĝyestad in Aust-Agder.
Svend's lastname Tyson (1850), Tysen (1860) and Taycen (1880) was in Norway Terjesen.
Marriage record # 32, Svend Terjesen (26) & Catrine Larsdr (22)
Marriage: 24 NOV 1848, Ĝyestad, Aust-Agder
His father: Terje Knudsen
Her father: Lars Andersen
Sven Terjesen
Christening: 28 APR 1822, Ĝyestad, Aust-Agder
Parents: Terje Knudsen Omholt & Gunild Svendsdr
Terje Svendsen
Birth: 14 APR 1849
Christening: 10 JUN 1849, Froland, Aust-Agder
Parents: Svend Terjesen & Cathrine Larsdr
=Jarrier (1850), Toyer (1860), Torger (1880)
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/03/2009 : 02:04:09
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You question if Saamund knew Johanna Thompson before they met in the US.
I would say yes. Because:
1) They were both from the same small township in Norway (Holla, Telemark), where everyone knew everyone.
2) Johanna's sister married Ragnild Kirstine's brother in 1862:
Gaert Henriksen (30) & Karen Thomasdr (20)
Marriage: 29 MAR 1862, Holla, Telemark
Gaert is Ragnild Kirstine's brother
Karen is Johanne's sister
Bachelor Gert Henriksen and girl Karen Thomasdatter registered as leaving the parish on 08 Mar 1862. They married in Holla church 3 weeks later, and the actual emigration date was on 15 Apr 1862. They left on the same ship as Saamund & Ragnild Kirstine.
So Saamund would have met Johanne in Gaert & Karen's marriage..
Johanne left Holla Parish with family on 06 APR 1867
Carpenter Thomas Rasmussen (56)
wife Mari Olsdatter (62)
Johanne (22)
Maren (16½)
Nils (04 Apr 1853)
Julie Marie Severine Carlsdatter (9) (registered as "Sisterchild")
Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935 shows this Quebec arrival in 1867:
Thomas Rasmussen (49)
Marie Rasmussen (61)
Bösen Johanne Rasmussen (22)
Bösen Maren Rasmussen (16)
Bösen Niels Rasmussen (13)
Bösen should proably be Börnen, ie. child (of)
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Edited by - jwiborg on 02/03/2009 02:52:19 |
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jeff anderson
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Posted - 02/03/2009 : 05:58:36
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Thank you, Jan Peter. You have given me so much to look at and ponder over.
From what I have found, I thought that Wĉrket was the name of the foundry at Ulefoss. It now makes more sense.
We have not had a name for Saamund's 1st wife, until now. All the Elders that I have talked with could not remember her name and her and Saamund's children have long been deceased. We also did not have a positive date of birth for Louis, just abt 1850, probably born in Norway. This is all making more sense when looking at the censuses.
It also makes more sense now as to why Saamund would seek out Johanna (Johanne) Thompson to look after his children after Ragnild passed away.
I am not sure if it may be another name change or not, but we do have a Lewis Toycen in the family. Age would be about the same as with Louis Tysen, born in Wisconsin, parents from Norway. Lewis's wife was Gustava, born in Norway, Feb 1848. No other info on either.
Not sure where the Noer name fits in. I don't have any listed, but does not mean they shouldn't be.
By the way, the oven you showed in your previous post looks very much like the one I remember at my Great Aunts in Duluth, MN, from in the 1950's.
Thank you.
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jeff anderson
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Posted - 02/03/2009 : 06:21:40
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(There has not been a name for his first wife and there is a son, Louis DOB 1850, Nor in the family. )
The Noer was my " OOPS" as I did not clarify the "Nor" as Norway.
I just looked back again at your post ( Posted - 01/03/2009 : 23:56:09 This is probably your Louis Nor, born ab 1850... ) and saw that the Louis Taycen you show is most likely our Lewis Toycen unless they both just happen to have a wife named Gustava. The children, Charlotte and Sewell, I believe, confirms this. Would you agree?? |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 02/03/2009 : 12:47:56
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Census-1860 for Winchester, Winnebago, Wisconsin: Louis Tysen (9), born in Wisconsin
Census-1860 for Sand Creek, Dunn, Wisconsin: Louis Taycen (29), born in Wisconsin
This is the same guy. How is your understanding of the relationship to this Louis, born about 1850?
You say "a son"... whom should Louis be a son of, according to your notes?
Louis Taycen is a son of Svend Terjesen & Catrine Larsdr (Svend & Katherine Taycen in Sand Creek, Dunn, Wisconsin, Census-1880). They come from Ĝyestad in Aust Agder, and emigrated to America in 1849 or 1850.
His brother Charlie married what I believe could be Maria Saamundsdatter (born 1860), the daughter of Saamund Nilsen & Ragnild Kirstine Henriksdatter.
If there are marriage records available from Sand Creek, you should proably check whether you could locate their record. Maybe it would tell whom Maria's father was.
Maria is 19 in the 1880-census, so they must be newly married. I would guess marriage in Dunn county about 1879 or 1880.
Charlie and Louis's sister Julia (Julia Tysen (7), in census 1860) married a man named Beesven Nielsen in Dunn, Wisconsin on 26 APR 1869, so marriage records should be available.
Her father is listed as Sven Torgerson but it should be Sven Terjesen (Svend Taycen).
Also, her is Louis's marriage:
Lewis Edward Tayson & Gustava Johanna Olson
Marriage: 02 JAN 1877, Dunn, Wisconsin
His Parents: Svend Teison & Katrina
Her Parents: Ole Pederson & Marta
Could not locate any marriagerecord for Charlie & Maria in that database,which seem to be for Dunn county...
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 02/03/2009 : 12:58:36
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quote:
Originally posted by jeff anderson
From what I have found, I thought that Wĉrket was the name of the foundry at Ulefoss. It now makes more sense.
Jeff
You're right. Ulefos Jernverk (or "Verket" / Wĉrket) was the name of the foundry, but it was (became?) also the name of the nearest farm
See more pictures of the area here
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jkmarler
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 02/03/2009 : 14:54:38
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Where do you have this statement from:
Louis DOB 1850, Nor in the family
Did you write it down, or did you find it in some old notes? I'm wondering if Nor is a lastname, or if it is short for Norway. Or is it neither (nor)...?
Here is Louis & Gustava:
Census-1900 for Sand Creek, Dunn, Wisconsin:
Lewis E Poycen (49)
Gustava Poycen (52)
Charlotte Poycen (21)
Sewell Poycen (20)
Leonard Poycen (18)
Perence B Poycen (14)
Esther O Poycen (9)
Durmont J Poycen (7)
Census-1910 for Sand Creek, Dunn, Wisconsin:
Louis E Toycen 59
Gustava J Toycen 62
Sewell Toycen 30
Leonard Toycen 28
Durmand J Toycen 16
Anna S Lomo 5
Fyi, another sister of Louis; Laura born 17 JAN 1857 in Wisconsin, got married in Dunn county at the age of 15:
John J. Donoldson & Laura M. Tysen
His parents: Benjamin Donoldson & Mary A.
Her parents: Sorsen Tysen & Catherine
Marriage: 30 DEC 1872, Dunn, Wisconsin
She is equal to Laura Tysen (3), in the census-1860 for Winchester, Winnebago, Wisconsin:
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Edited by - jwiborg on 02/03/2009 16:56:52 |
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jeff anderson
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Posted - 03/03/2009 : 05:27:47
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[quote]Originally posted by jwiborg
Where do you have this statement from:
Louis DOB 1850, Nor in the family
Did you write it down, or did you find it in some old notes? I'm wondering if Nor is a lastname, or if it is short for Norway. Or is it neither (nor)...?
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This is in the original family tree that was handed down to me. This Louis is the son of Saamund Nelson and his first wife, Ragnild.
The DOB 1850 and "Nor" (for Norway) were handed down with the family tree. Those who started the family tree must not have known his DOB or where he was born.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 03/03/2009 : 07:34:44
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Your "Lewis Toycen" born 1850 can not be a son of Saamund Nilsen (b. 1834) & Ragnild Kirstine Henriksdatter (b. 1840). Ragnild Kirstine was only 10 years old in 1850. I'm quite sure "Lewis Toycen" must be Louis TAYCEN in census-1880.
Lewis Edward Tayson married Gustava Johanna Olson in Dunn, Wisconsin on 02 JAN 1877
His Parents are listed as Svend Teison & Katrina, ie. Svend Terjesen & Catrine Larsdr from Ĝyestad in Aust-Agder.
Saamund & Ragnild Kirstine DID have a son Louis, but his lastname is listed as NELSON in census 1880, and he is born about 1863 in Wisconsin.
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jeff anderson
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Posted - 04/03/2009 : 05:03:16
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I guess I must have gotten the 2 "Louis/Lewis" mixed up. You do have it correct in your last post.
Thank you.
Jeff |
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Ellen Gilb
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Posted - 23/04/2010 : 12:10:52
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I want to claify that the Maria Saamundsdatter (daughter of Saamund Nelson) is not the Maria that Charlie Toycen married . Charlie Toycen's first wife was Maria (Mary) Johnson. When Mary died Charlie married my great-grandmother Nellie Johnson.
Thank you
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