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Neville Rasmussen
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South Africa
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 Posted - 09/05/2009 : 14:45:08
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I have had another look at the translation of the seamans log book the first ships name is "Elida" I have checked the Malmsteins Shipregister and there are many ships that were called the Ellida but only three that have the name Elida with one 'l' in brackets behind the name. All three could be the one
Elida brigg/tre (three masted brig?) built ? wrecked 1875
Elida skonnertbrigg/tre (three masted schooner rigged brig?) built 1848 no date of end but port given so scrapped?
Elida brigg/tre (three masted brigg?) built 1850 wrecked 1885
Interesting how many words are similar to the Afrikaans like Endelig which in Afr would be Eindig (I think)
So any one of the three would fit with the logbook as Omund sailed on the elida between 31/3/69 and 26/6/69
Do you know if there is anywhere where one can get crew lists for local sailings? I would also love to find a photo of any none of the three ships althoght most sailing ships of a given rig would look pretty similar.
I can't find any references to the possible other two names of Gyna and Asavana. I did find a Gynar but she was a steamship from the early 1900's
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Neville Rasmussen
Junior member
South Africa
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Posted - 09/05/2009 : 18:28:55
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Kåre on 06/05 You gave Rasmus Hansen Landanes born 1718 - 1787 but his father you say is Hans Rasmussen born 1788 - 1758 but that means the father died before he was born and also after the son?
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Kåarto
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Norway
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Posted - 09/05/2009 : 20:19:09
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You are right, you have a sharp eye Neville, thank´s, I shall correct my posting from 6/5.
According "Slektsforum Karmøy, County books" he was born about 1688 on Vikingstad, he died 1758 on Landanes, about means he was 70 years when he died.
Looking into his death record on top left page it says he died October 26, but it looks like he was 90 years old and born about 1668.
Not sure about the meaning of all the Ghotic word (corrections will come if I am wrong), but it looks like following, see here
Torsdag den 26 octobris ? paa Hans Rasmusøn Landanes ? døde croppen af alderdom 90 aar
Thursday Oct. 26 ? on Hans Rasmussen Landanes ? the body died of age 90.
The funeral was (next line) Dominica 25. p Trinitatis, Sunday Nov. 12.
Ship matser Petter Malmstein´s (1903-81) Skipsregister looks interesting, need some time to investigate it.
Two Elida of interest.
Elida build 1848, wrecked and condemmend 1910.
Elida wrecked 1875 in "Køgebukt" Denmark
Brig Elida build 1850, owned by Peder Hygen, wrecked 1885 (not mentioned where)
Bark Elida build 1866, owned by H.W.Finne &Sønner, restored 1885, wrecked 1888 (not mentioned where)
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Neville Rasmussen
Junior member
South Africa
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Posted - 09/05/2009 : 22:10:52
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| does that mean that Aselin Hansdatter's birthdate will also change from 1783 to 1683? Is the Nuer-haugo the farm name. and what does the trinitatis stand for after the dominica farm name, I have noticed this word before. Sorry for all the questions. The genealogy programme I am using makes calculations and comes up with reports like " this woman is too young to be married to this man or this woman is too old to have children at this age and other messages like this it even even tells you " this person is already married are you sure you want to add another husband/wife" but it does stop and make you look at the information a second time to make sure. |
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Kåarto
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Norway
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Posted - 09/05/2009 : 23:25:30
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Don´t be sorry for the questions, it has to be correct, Aselin hansdatter was born about 1683, a "double mistake" Murphy´s law.
It´s straightened up in my former posting.
Checking her death record from 1760 to be sure, she was 75 when she died, should be born about 1685, right page 3. from bottom, name underlined Aselin Hansdatter Landanæs
The funeral was Dominica 6ta p Trintates, 6. Sunday after Whitsun, July 13.
Trinity/Trinitates/Trinit. is Latin for Whitsun, after Trinitates/ Whitsun the following Sundays was:
1. p (passed) Trinity, 2. p. Trinit. etc. etc.
Dominica is latin for Sunday.
Dom.6. p. Trinitates - 6. Sunday after Whitsun.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 10/05/2009 12:44:00 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 09/05/2009 : 23:35:46
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quote:
Torsdag den 26 octobris ? paa Hans Rasmusøn Landanes ? døde croppen af alderdom 90 aar
This is what I read: Torsdag den 26 octobris kastet jord paa Hans Rasmusøn Landenæs hans døde Cropp er af alder 90 aar. Denne afdøde ? Mand fikk Liigprædiken Dominie 25 p Trinitates.
It may also be of interest to see that the rector wrote the following "NB Torsdag, den 5 Junii war jeg paa gaarden Landenæs og betjente den gamle, syge og sengeliggende Enke Aseline Hansdatter med det Hellige og Høywærdige Alterens Sacramente" - NB On Thursday June 5 I was on the farm Landenæs serving the old sick and bed-ridden widow Aseline Hansdatter with the holy and most deserving Lords supper. |
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Kåarto
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Norway
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Posted - 10/05/2009 : 11:49:52
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Interesting information.
Aseline died about 1 1/2 year after her husband, on June 5. the priest salved her shortly before she died, Sacrament means last oil - Anointing of the Sick.
Her is Malmstein register for Sail ships.
It seems like only the officers are mentioned in the sea man register.
The information in this family tree is coming from "Bygdeboks" from Karmøy, Aselin born on Ner-Haugo (Lower-haugo) in Torvastad to Hans Johannesen Ner-Haugo and unknown mother
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Edited by - Kåarto on 10/05/2009 12:33:05 |
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eibache
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Norway
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Posted - 10/05/2009 : 19:36:08
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Aseline died about 1 1/2 year after her husband, on June 5
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The funaral was "Dominca 6ta p Trinitatis: Sunday July 13
is it reasonable with more than a month between death and funeral in the summer? Where did you find the death date? |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 10/05/2009 : 22:51:07
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June 5. should have been canceled.
If this is of any interest.
She was given Sacrament "Siste olje" (the last oil) Anointing of the Sick on June 5. 1760.
A person was buried within 8 days, but it was common to apply for exemption, a dispensation for 2-3 weeks was normal.
So because of that we can assume Aseline died between June 22 and July 5.
An apply for exemption was liklely up to oldest son and heir to Landanes, Rasmus Hansen (1718-87) to decide.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 10/05/2009 22:52:02 |
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Neville Rasmussen
Junior member
South Africa
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Posted - 11/05/2009 : 00:57:36
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Thanks for all the interseting information so ar. I have been following all the links sent and there are many new names, most of which are from brothers or sisters of Omund. Is there anyway to get past Omund Hansen? [Omund Hansen 1764-1832 (unknown parents) married 3. time to Asseline Rasmusdatter 1763-1820, farm nr 6.] He was Omunds Grandfather
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eibache
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Norway
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Posted - 11/05/2009 : 05:37:15
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Omund Hansens birth year is given as 1746 in the 1801 census, as 1762 when he marries the 4th time see #23 and as 1753 when he died in 1832, see #24
No age is given when Omund married Asseline Aug 20 (or July 23), see next to the last record on right page in 1803
No hit for Omunds birth record in those years.
However an Omund Hansen and Berte Olsdatter at Abelvig in Tysvær baptized a daughter Kari on Nov 25 1788, see bottom of left page
The same Omund Hansen, Abelvig married Inga Olsdatter, Sagen July 14 1793 in Tysvær. |
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Lislcat
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USA
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Posted - 11/05/2009 : 23:20:17
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Neville,
This is very interesting! Are there many South African's of Norwegian descent? My neighbor's are from South Africa and I've met many of their friends that have moved to Wisconsin for employment, but they are all Dutch South Africans. I'm just curious.
Continued success with your search!
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Neville Rasmussen
Junior member
South Africa
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Posted - 12/05/2009 : 08:55:48
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Wnada Greetings!
There were no huge migrations of Norwegians like those to the USA. Apart from some communities in Kwazulu natal [kwa meaning place of the Zulu] (our east coast province). The one I have visited is in Marburg. http://norwegian-settlers.co.za/ Most of the Scandinavians came to SA as individuals and families rather than organised parties.
Browsing our phone books there are quite a few 'sen' and 'son' suffixed names. This is not a scientific statement but from my observations there are more people of Danish extraction than Norwegian, certainly of the Rasmussens in Cape Town, all 7 of them, are all to my knowledge of Danish descent.
Quite large numbers of Norwegian men came to SA during the Anglo-Boer war (1898-1902) mostly to fight on the side of the Boers against the British, many stayed on and married local ladies. My great Grandfather, who is proving so elusive to trace came to SA and moved into the interior where he became a farmer and married an Afrikaans lady Rachel Elizabeth Maria Kotzee who I believe may be of German extraction, ( the first recorded Kotze in SA was Otto a Brewer from Otmarsboscholdt ?around the early 1700's in SW Germany and he went to Holland to find a wife and returned to SA, the "Great South African Family Heritage Book" lists all the Afrikaans names and gives the fact that most of the Kotze & Kotzee families in SA are descended from Otto)
My Great Granfathers brothers and sisters who emigrated settled in Minnesota and Idaho in the USA and Winnipeg in Canada. They all changed their names so one went from Hans Jakob Rasmussen to Jake Walker, and the sister who married Endre Mikkal Gård changed their name to Gordon, another one became Squires and another Leithy.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 12/05/2009 : 10:05:24
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Hi,
I find Omund Hansen Abelvig interesting, both his daughter Kari born 1788 and his 2.marrige in 1793 as Omund Hansen Abelvig 1793 to Inga Olsdatter Sagen.
Oldest daughter Bertha Johanna was 17 years old according the 1801 census for Stokedalen (born about 1784), she died on Kvalevåg 1861 at age 74, born about 1787 (she married Jokum Olsen).
Her confirmation record from Nov. 13 1803 tells she lived on Stokedal and was 18? (born about 1787, ? tells the priest wasn´t sure), she was born in another parish, see last line;
NB "født paa" born in Weaar/Waage? in ? parish, hard to understand, bottom left column right page #32
Any proposal Einar?
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Lislcat
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USA
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Posted - 12/05/2009 : 21:02:10
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Neville,
Thanks for taking the time to explain that to me! I find it very interesting, especially the part with the last names. Did the Norwegians not change their last names from ending in "sen" to "son", when they settled in SA, like they did in the United States? The changing of names is always the most challenging part of genealogy research for me and sometimes, the most interesting.
Kåre and Einar are doing a superb job of finding your families records.
Thanks again for the explanation!
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