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Neville Rasmussen
Junior member
South Africa
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 Posted - 12/05/2009 : 22:17:08
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Wanda hi!
I don't know enough to be able to say if those who came to SA changed their names like in the US or not but as far as I know from those of Danish and Norwegian extraction I have met that this was not the case they simply stuck to the name they had when they arrived. My GGFather of course changed his name from Omund to Amund but he kept the Rasmussen bit intact
And Yes Kåre and Einar are real stars! Every post I get from them gives me more information to go and check and I have added many names to the tree and which also raise more questions.
I hope one day to be able to match the achivement of a friend Olaf Karlsen who traced his Norwegian ancestors back to around the year 800! but he had papers and had done research on his family before he emigrated to SA (met a SA nurse working in Oslo when he was ill and married her!)
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 13/05/2009 : 00:02:19
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The regular Norwegian emigration to South Africa started in 1869 with the schooner Albatross from Stavanger. It's destination was originally New Zealand, but they stopped when they saw the opportunities to trade in the area of Cape Town. This establishment was financially very successful, and they kept close contact with their home country, and could thus pave the way for the later emigration from Norway.
From 1907 to 1975, there was a major Norwegian population in Durban, involved in the hunt for whales.
Already in the early 1900's, the Norwegians had established a Norwegian school, a Norwegian-Lutheran church and Norwegian newspapers in Durban.
A company called South African Whaling Company was est. in 1907.
The peak year was 1965, when 3640 whales were brought to the slaughterhouses in Durban, at most 20-30 whales per day.
Also; The discovery of diamonds (1867) and gold (1886) in the Boer republics created prosperity, and led to massive emigration from all over Europe, incl Norway.
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Lislcat
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USA
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Posted - 13/05/2009 : 04:00:04
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Takk Neville and Jan Peter for the explanation of Norwegian emigration to South Africa. It's a very interesting subject. I know that there is a topic heading for Kiwi and Aussie Vikings. Maybe there should be a section for South African Vikings?
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Neville Rasmussen
Junior member
South Africa
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Posted - 13/05/2009 : 10:52:49
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Thanks for that info Jan Peter. You know more about my ancestors in my own country than I do! The Albatross was the Schooner of the Thesen family who settled in Knysna and set up business there, The town being built largely based on Thesen enterprises (fishing, sawmilling and timber, furniture manufacture, property etc).
I am still looking for the way and when my GGFather Amund came to SA. The Albatross voyage was too early as he was still sailing around Norway and the Baltic until Oct 1870 so it must have been after that date my Grandfather told me that his fathers ship was called the 'Norman' but I have not been able to find a ship of that name that matches with the time period, the romantic story of a shipwreck in Algoa bay may or may not be true but I also can't find any details of Norwegian ships wrecked around that time in the bay.
Between 1870 and 1880 when his first son, Amund Reinard, was born he had had time to settle in the interior of SA acquire three farms, a general store in town and a wife. I suspect therefore that he must have left Norway in 1870 or very close to that date.
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Neville Rasmussen
Junior member
South Africa
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Posted - 13/05/2009 : 18:39:53
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I have found the front page of Berthe Malline's Rasmusdatters Bibl, (printed in 1871). Here are recorded the births fo her children except for Emma marie the youngest, However I do not understand the significance of the word den Ander behind the name of Reinert Olai II and at the top there is an inscription which I can't make out but there is a date of Jan 29 1883 or 1888, can't be marriage as she had several children by that date. see http://jimmyjamjarsblog.blogspot.com/. The entries however do confirm the other information elswhere.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 13/05/2009 : 19:21:15
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Hi,
I think it (den anden) means "the other" or "another" Reinert Olai. The first Reinert Olai died in 1881 and they had a second who was born in 1883.
The other inscription at the top says "Piger er fot den" means girl is born on this.
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 13/05/2009 : 20:05:02
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Most of the information at the bottom is gone.
Was it a " Tredje" Third Reinert Olai?
Does it say;
Reinert Olai d?? ????? (Reinert Olai the ? )
Tred.. Reinert Olai den Tredje
Reinert Olai the ..... Third
Or is it:
Reinert Olai d??? d??
Tred??...... Reinert Olai døde den tredje.....Reinert Olai died the third.......
Top page;
The O in fOt is the Swedish letter for the Norwegian Ø, it´s written føt (born) today it´s spelled født
"Pigen er føt Den 29 Januar 1883.
Kåre
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Neville Rasmussen
Junior member
South Africa
32 Posts |
Posted - 13/05/2009 : 22:18:00
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Yes there was a third Reinert Olai but he also died less than a year old, the first one lived 5 years the second 8 years, perhaps that's why the page was torn away; by a mothers grief?
The statement at the top about a girl makes sense as the only daughter Emma Marie was born on 29 Jan 1889. It looks like the inscription on the page is 1888 but all the other documents list her as 1889 so maybe the last digit is just badly written.
Thanks that solves that peice of the puzzle.
Just another snippet on the Thesens of Knysna I forgot to mention they were also shipbuilders,mainly woden fishing vessels and one of the boats built at Thesens was SA's most famous Yacht "Voortrekker" winner of many long ocean single handed and other races. I also have a lounge suite made by Thesens from the indiginous Stinkwood from the forests around Knysna. The island in the bay where the factory once stood is now an exclusive housing development for the very wealthy. I think what must have atttracted them to the area was that the Knysna lagoon is approached through very steep cliff headlands and a narrow channel and then sweeps out into a large protected bay, this must have reminded them of home in many ways.
Kåre in an earlier post you said that Omund Hansen Abelvig and Omund Hansen Kvalevåg might possibly be the same person. Where is Abelvig I can't find it, it is a farm I presume?
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Kåarto
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Norway
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Posted - 13/05/2009 : 22:37:27
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From Captain Malmstein´s sailing ship register for Norman
"Endelig skjebne" Final destiny to three of the ships is unknown, the two last one are interesting;
Bark Norman, ex Norwegian Christine build 1866 in USA (still sailing in 1898)
Brig Normand build 1974 in Grimstad, register Grimstad, Norway
Brig Normandie build 1862 in Arendal Norway, register Grimstad, Norway
You liklely know.
Norman/Normand/Normann means Norwegian,
Omund Rasmussen Kvalevåg was a Norman
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Kåarto
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Norway
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Posted - 13/05/2009 : 23:55:27
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It was in Einars posting, Omund Hansen Abelvik from Tysvær.
His daughter Kari Omundsdatter was born there, Omund Hansen Abelvik (Apple bay) married Inga Olsdatter Sagen (Saw mill) in Tysvær 1793.
oldest daughter Bertha Johanna Omundsatter d. 1861 was born in another parish.
Your Omund Hansen (unknown parents) married Inga Olsdatter (unknown parents) she died 1802 on Stoggedal.
Since both parents and no birth records for either Omund or Inga is found, the reasom for that could be they were not born in Karmøy at all.
Tysvær is almost next to Karmøy.
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eibache
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Norway
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Posted - 14/05/2009 : 07:12:23
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Oldest daughter Bertha Johanna was 17 years old according the 1801 census for Stokedalen (born about 1784), she died on Kvalevåg 1861 at age 74, born about 1787 (she married Jokum Olsen).
Her confirmation record from Nov. 13 1803 tells she lived on Stokedal and was 18? (born about 1787, ? tells the priest wasn´t sure), she was born in another parish, see last line;
NB "født paa" born in Weaar/Waage? in ? parish, hard to understand, bottom left column right page #32
the record for her sister Kari is the top one in the far right column, they were both baptized in Schiold parish. The farm is Waage. |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 14/05/2009 : 08:25:06
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I see it now.
Waage could be Waag or Waagen in the 1801 census for Tysvær.
Then we can assume Omund Hansen Stoggedal and Omund Hansen Abelvik was the same person.
Thats likley why Karmøy Slekstforum (Karmøy historian asosiation) has no records on them, only born about, they came from another parish.
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Kåarto
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Norway
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Posted - 14/05/2009 : 10:36:19
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Hi Neville.
Abelvig (Apalvik) and Sagen (Saga) is located to Skjoldastraumen in Tysvær.
New Bygdbøker volum 4 has information on Apalvik and Sagen, published 1999 by Nis Olav Østrem, perhaps the key is there, click here
For Waage it´s some few options, in this case I think it´s Waage (Våg) in Aksdal sub parish south from Skjoldastramen in the narrow Skjoldafjord, north in Tysvær municipality.
Cleng Persson was from Hesthammer in Skjoldastraumen.
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Neville Rasmussen
Junior member
South Africa
32 Posts |
Posted - 16/05/2009 : 17:14:34
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Hi there!
Would Appelviken and Abelvg/Apalvik possibly be the same place? There is such a farm on Tysvær.
I came across a name of a person with third name of 'Bertil' is this a person name or the name of a farm do you think?
What does the wording 'other place no' mean as it appears after the farm name e.g. "Kavalevåg other place No 26" ?
I have got some more information on Omund Hansen Stoggedalen/Abelvig
First marriage - to Unk.
Two children
Berta Johanna bc1784
Kari b c1789
Also a stepdaughter of this wife was - Helga Helgesdatter
Second marriage - to Inga Oldsdatter (1751 - 1802)
One child
Johanna b c1792 d1799
Third marriage - to Asseline Rasmusdatter b1763 d1820
Two children
Hans b1803 inherited the farm
Rasmus b1805 moved to Kvalevåg other place 26
Fourth marriage - to Anna Marta Torgrimsdatter b1791 d1832
Three children
Stillborn 1823
Torgrim b1825 moved to Føynå in Torvestad other place no 30
Stillborn boy 1827
Omunds first wife had a stepfather called Jon Kolbeinsen of Århaug sør Eikje in Førdesfjorden. Could this possibly be a place to search if he was maybe married there could he have come from that place? |
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Kåarto
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Norway
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Posted - 16/05/2009 : 18:09:05
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Hi Neville,
Abelvik and Apalvik is the same farm, Appelviken means the same, likley same farm, could be different naming from time to time.
All farms in Norway are numbered in a farm register, Kvalavaag was nr 75, the origin is nr 75 -1, during the centuries the farm was split up by inheritance, selling plots etc. into 75-2, 75-3, 75-4 and so one, could be Nr 75- 100 or more today.
A-op 26 Kvalaevaag in "Slektsforum Karmøy" A-op means "Andre oppsittere" Other occupants, Amund Rasmussen Kvalevaag was occupant nr 26.
Førdesfjorden is a narrow fjord between Karmøy and Tysvær, look here
East from Tysvær in the map is at Skjoldafjorden, the road crossing is Skjoldastraumen, Sagen is on the right side of the narrow fjord across the letter n in Skjoldafjorden, on the left side where the fjord expand at the letter o is Abelvik, across the expansion is farm Waag.
I need some time to look into your posting, we are preparing for 17 Mai, Norway´s national day.
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